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Brown alert maybe, if you're by a sea wall overnight.

I think rail adhesion issues will mess up the service even if it's not that windy. My lawn has disappeared until a blanket of dead leaves this morning.
 
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SWT announce no service on most lines until at least 0800, speed restriction of 50mph across SWT network all day. More to follow.
 

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SWT announce no service on most lines until at least 0800, speed restriction of 50mph across SWT network all day. More to follow.

Matt Taylor. Is it a coincidence that there is a BBC Weather Forecaster of that name updating us on the storm.
 

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BBC are reporting Southern will not run services until deemed safe to do so.
 

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Dammed if they do dammed if they don't..... seems to be a constant feature of this thread.
 

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At least they have given advance notice, so those that need to be in London for work early can travel today and book hotels as necessary
 

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You'd like to think they only ever ran services when it was safe to do so.


Bet this will all turn out to be a total overreaction.

What would you prefer they do then? Say that everything will be ok and have to suspend services in the morning because the weather is worse than expected and leave thousands unable to get to work etc?

At least this way people can plan to leave extra time, find alternative ways of getting in or plan to work from home/rearrange schedules etc which is far more productive and better overall in terms if the economy than leaving it until too late to sort alternatives out-at which point they will get even more criticism for not planning.

I'm interested in your brilliant ideas as to what they should do about this but I'm guessing you are another on this thread more than capable of criticising but with no actual alternative ideas of your own..,
 

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FGW are planning to run a normal service, with some speed restrictions possible.

If the brown sticky stuff really hits the spiny thing, then I expect them to put Plan Z into action at short notice
 

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You'd like to think they only ever ran services when it was safe to do so.


Bet this will all turn out to be a total overreaction.

It seems a little early to be telling all rail commuters in the south east to stay at home - which is what you're doing if you're talking of a 09.00-10.00 start and then a limited service.

Why couldn't this decision have been made at (say) 04.00 tomorrow, on a line-by-line or TOC-by-TOC basis, when the extent of any damage will be much clearer?
 

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Dammed if they do dammed if they don't..... seems to be a constant feature of this thread.

As I said earlier, I think anyone criticising on this thread should also have to come up with a better solution than the one they believe to be so poor.

At least they have given advance notice, so those that need to be in London for work early can travel today and book hotels as necessary

Indeed, as far as I can see they are doing exactly the right thing. If nothing comes of the storm then they can start running the service normally instead.

It's also worth noting that whilst there are obvious weather related infrastructure problems TOCs also need to consider similar problems to heavy snow fall with getting staff into work. If roads become blocked etc then drivers on earlies may struggle to reach work meaning early trains may be cancelled etc. Whilst drivers and other staff are going to do their best to get in tomorrow if conditions are as bad as predicted at 3-5am then none will be risking their lives to get in.
 

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Why couldn't this decision have been made at (say) 04.00 tomorrow, on a line-by-line or TOC-by-TOC basis, when the extent of any damage will be much clearer?

Think it through. This way people have plenty of warning to make alternative arrangements.

You really think it's a better idea to make a decision in the morning? So people can get up and find there are no trains with no notice to make alternative plans? Then the TOCs can get loads of criticism for not predicting problems which have been plastered all over the news.

Think it through a bit.
 

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It seems a little early to be telling all rail commuters in the south east to stay at home - which is what you're doing if you're talking of a 09.00-10.00 start and then a limited service.

Why couldn't this decision have been made at (say) 04.00 tomorrow, on a line-by-line or TOC-by-TOC basis, when the extent of any damage will be much clearer?

They aren't telling people to stay at home, they are telling people there will be a late start, limited service and so trains will be busier than usual.

Because then people may have made plans and so would get to a station and there be no service.

This is a pre-warning to those who don't need to travel basically telling them not too.

The TOCs haven't done a thing wrong, people will complain if there was no pre-warning of any potential problems and then if they didn't people would complain.

I also understand that Network Rail have asked for trains to start in daylight so that drivers can actually see ahead in case there is a blockage.
 

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http://www.southernrailway.com/southern/news/monday-28-october/

We have closely monitored the storm that is approaching which we now expect to reach and affect our region between 0100-0900 tomorrow (Monday 28 October). We are advised that there is a strong likelihood that this will mean that trees and other debris may fall on and obstruct railway lines.

We have worked closely with Network Rail, which has declared that while there is an immediate safety risk of fallen trees obstructing lines, no passenger services should run.

As a result of this, we will not be running any services tomorrow until the storm has passed our region, and Network Rail has been able to assess any damage from the storm and confirm that lines are clear of debris.

It is therefore highly unlikely that we will run any services before at least 0900 tomorrow morning and even when we are cleared to run, the first services will be very disjointed given the difficulties in getting trains and their crew to the right locations.

Along with Network Rail, we have worked hard to make contingency plans, but in the interests of safety, this difficult decision has been made.

We will therefore focus our efforts on providing a service as soon as we can tomorrow morning, but we anticipate that this will be a difficult and disruptive start to the week for our passengers.

Our website, www.southernrailway.com, will be kept updated with news as it is available, but passengers are advised to check with National Rail Enquiries on 08457 48 49 50 before travelling.
 

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It seems a little early to be telling all rail commuters in the south east to stay at home - which is what you're doing if you're talking of a 09.00-10.00 start and then a limited service.

Why couldn't this decision have been made at (say) 04.00 tomorrow, on a line-by-line or TOC-by-TOC basis, when the extent of any damage will be much clearer?

Because most commuters get up at 4 am to check for travel into work? :roll:
 

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I think they're doing the right thing warning people. The most common criticism we see of rail companies is that they don't provide enough information during times of disruption. At least this way people know there are likely to be problems and can make alternative plans.

Based on the information published on the Network Rail site I've just spent half an hour calling round my team working out who can be in the office tomorrow, who can work from home (i.e. who took their laptop home over the weekend!) to make sure all our essential tasks get picked up in the morning. I feel much happier knowing we've got our plan in place, and also knowing that nobody will make a silly decision to try to get into work and get injured on the way, because they're worried that something important needs to be done.
 

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I think they're doing the right thing warning people. The most common criticism we see of rail companies is that they don't provide enough information during times of disruption. At least this way people know there are likely to be problems and can make alternative plans.

Based on the information published on the Network Rail site I've just spent half an hour calling round my team working out who can be in the office tomorrow, who can work from home (i.e. who took their laptop home over the weekend!) to make sure all our essential tasks get picked up in the morning. I feel much happier knowing we've got our plan in place, and also knowing that nobody will make a silly decision to try to get into work and get injured on the way, because they're worried that something important needs to be done.

Indeed. And considering the weather warning started on Friday id hope that many bosses would have sorted out for some people to take stuff home with them in order to work from home or other locations.
 

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I had a text from control saying I might want to allow extra time to get to work tomorrow. I'll settle for getting home tonight!
 

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Rail staff have also been told to check before setting out to work & to not compromise own personal safety to get in.
 

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Another tree came down on the Portsmouth Direct tracks this evening. This time around Haslemere. It affected trains but they were not as badly affected as they were the other evening when one fall at Witley, so the tree must have been easier to deal with. South West Trains canceled some trains and diverted others to using the Basingstoke lines from London.

Train companies say that during disruptions where might be last minute alterations or cancellations. I don't normally come across this when there is disruption but tonight I did. At the last minute the 18.55 from Woking was diverted via Basingstoke. I'd already decided to take a chance with later trains and visit the supermarket.

In contrast the 19.15 was changed from being diverted to running to Portsmouth at the last minute. Once I got on board, the Guard announced he had just been informed of a tree on the line and it would be cancelled from Guildford. Perhaps the people on board were not told of the diversion. It was listed on National Rail Enquiries about 2 minutes before it was due to leave. Anyway the guard said he would check if the train was still to be cancelled.

At Guildford it was listed as expected to arrive 2 minutes late. As I and many others left the station I noticed it was listed as delayed. Just checking real train times I see they cancelled it, as he said they would.
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/W94318/2013/10/26. However no need to provide road transport, as he suggested they might, as the next train ran through, although late.

I also see a train to Ascot was cancelled again because of an obstruction. Also the 19.30 was cancelled between Waterloo and Woking due to an unknown cause. It seems likely that the unknown cause was the tree falling on the line.

It's fairly windy now. I just hope I don't have any cancelled trains tomorrow morning, as I'm heading to Gomshall for a 13 mile walk to Dorking. The trains only run once an hour towards Gatwick. It's every two hours to Gomsahll but they do add in extra stops if the previous hour's train is cancelled. However, an hour is too late when meeting people arriving by car and the evenings get darker earlier.

Thunderstorms are also a possibility for early Sunday morning, along with rain. So if the wind doesn't get the trains, perhaps a lightening strike will. If really unlucky they will get both. That's nature for you.

I was on the 1804 from Havant yesterday which was rerouted at the very last minute to avoid the tree. The signal changed from green to red at 1801. The train arrived 1802. The guard made several emergency announcements about the tree advising anyone for south of Haslemere to get off but everyone else to stay on and change at Woking as it would likely be the quickest option despite the diversion. The crew's very quick reactions meant a very quick reversal happened and we left at 1806 beating out the late running 1805 to Bristol. We then got an almost completely clear run to Woking (except for a few seconds delay approaching Eastleigh and a few second approaching Basingstoke due to XC running late. They even held the Exeter-Waterloo train for us at Worting Junction meaning not only did we reach Woking by 1911 only 14 mins late but also it meant people caught the 1913 to Guildford and the Exeter-Waterloo train for Clapham. The guard initially apologised for the delay and wouldn't give an arrival time as obviously he had to wait to see what path we got but he promised updates during the trip. On walking thru the train he spoke to everyone and offered as much help as possible. On approach to Woking he listed connections to almost the entire area covering all passengers and even offered the following connection in case people needed a bit longer to cross platforms. All in all possibly the best example of an on train team working as one as I've seen in a long while. Full marks to both driver and guard as leaving Havant a couple of minutes later we would have missed our path at each junction/single track bit and so not only did they provide excellent customer service they also saved us between 20-30 minutes.
 
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Indeed. And considering the weather warning started on Friday id hope that many bosses would have sorted out for some people to take stuff home with them in order to work from home or other locations.

It's served as a timely reminder for me to dust off the Continuity Plan in preparation for the inevitable snow.

The alternative would have been everyone setting off to try to get in, all getting stuck either because the trains couldn't run, or because the trains tried to run but got stuck due to damaged wires or blocked lines. Much better this way. Just hope we don't have power cuts because if we do my plans fall apart!
 

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Indeed. And considering the weather warning started on Friday id hope that many bosses would have sorted out for some people to take stuff home with them in order to work from home or other locations.

They did at our place. My normal journey tomorrow is not strictly necessary, so I'm not going to try.
 

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A fair amount of abuse towards southern on twitter. Of course it's southerns fault that the weather is bad...

FCC have just announced on twitter no trains until after 0900. Looking forward to the colourful and entertaining angry replies!
 

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Think it through. This way people have plenty of warning to make alternative arrangements.

You really think it's a better idea to make a decision in the morning? So people can get up and find there are no trains with no notice to make alternative plans? Then the TOCs can get loads of criticism for not predicting problems which have been plastered all over the news.

Think it through a bit.

Well, we shall know by the morning whether the TOCs/National Rail made the right call, or whether cancelling the morning peak was an over-reaction off an unpredictable weather forecast.

I respect your opinion, although I stick with my own: this is a decision that could have been made in the early hours. Your patronising 'think it through' stuff was unnecessary.
 
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