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UK General Election 2024

Now that we are in the final throes of the campaign, who will you be voting for?

  • Labour

    Votes: 104 49.5%
  • Conservative

    Votes: 8 3.8%
  • Reform

    Votes: 18 8.6%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 57 27.1%
  • Green Party

    Votes: 15 7.1%
  • SNP

    Votes: 4 1.9%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 1 0.5%
  • Independent

    Votes: 3 1.4%

  • Total voters
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Mcr Warrior

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Dull, unexciting and plodding, with dissenting voices to be heard in the background.

Not the England football international last night, but Sunak vs Starmer on BBC1 just now!
 
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Pippa Crear (Guardian I think) and Harry Cole (Sun) both reporting that Philip Davies (aka Mr Esther McVey) has bet £8,000 on himself to lose.

The implied odds (taken from roughly reversing the odds of a Tory win and taking a bit off for the bookie's margin) suggest he'd win about a grand
 

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I had the misfortune to watch Krishnan Guru-Murthy this evening “interviewing” James Cleverly. Dreadful. As in Guru-Murthy asked questions and before Cleverley had answered them, G-M barked stuff at Cleverley. Fortunately Cleverley wasn’t in the studio so he just ignored the interruptions and carried on with his answer, which we could no longer hear because the increasingly desperate Guru-Murthy shouted over him. What a plonker! For once, I mean the interviewer, not the politician.
 

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Not the England football international last night, but Sunak vs Starmer on BBC1 just now!
Does anyone care? I get the feeling that most want the election to be over and done with now.

The unexpected announcement means limited prep from all the parties. Most of the campaigning feels like an extention of PMQs with both Conservative and Labour spending time talking about how bad the other is. Ideas like Labour's Great British Energy haven't had time to be fleshed out.
 

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I had the misfortune to watch Krishnan Guru-Murthy this evening “interviewing” James Cleverly. Dreadful. As in Guru-Murthy asked questions and before Cleverley had answered them, G-M barked stuff at Cleverley. Fortunately Cleverley wasn’t in the studio so he just ignored the interruptions and carried on with his answer, which we could no longer hear because the increasingly desperate Guru-Murthy shouted over him. What a plonker! For once, I mean the interviewer, not the politician.
I've never really got the supposed appeal of Guru-Murthy, or Channel 4 news in general. It's always just seemed a bit snide and self-satisfied to me.
 

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Pippa Crear (Guardian I think) and Harry Cole (Sun) both reporting that Philip Davies (aka Mr Esther McVey) has bet £8,000 on himself to lose.

The implied odds (taken from roughly reversing the odds of a Tory win and taking a bit off for the bookie's margin) suggest he'd win about a grand

Isn't Phillip Davies the one who suggested disabled people should work for less than minimum wage
 

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The latest Electoral Calculus projection suggests the Greens would win their 4 target seats (1 already held) but more surprisingly that Reform would win 19. Not sure if that would be realised...
 

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The latest Electoral Calculus projection suggests the Greens would win their 4 target seats (1 already held) but more surprisingly that Reform would win 19. Not sure if that would be realised...
Ignoring the big elephant in the room where Lib Dems get to be the opposition
 

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A week to go and the only leaflet received is Labour back a week / 10 days after the election was announced. Not surprising as the current MP is the only one I have ever known with a real interest in the constituency. Twice I have had to contact his office due to the incompetence of the district clowncil council. Once no response, once just passed back and forth between two departments. In both cases once the the MP / his office involved initial responses then the appropriate action taken.

2019 he only won by a few hundred votes. This time nothing to suggest other than Conservative, Lib Dem, Green, Reform accept he will get a big majority. If the Conservatives called I was looking forward to telling then their failures and lack of action/progress over the last 14 years.


Hypothetical but given the choice would I prefer for the next term Labour lead by Starmer or Conservative lead by Badenoch or Braverman .... hmmmm ...... I think the former. Presuming she keeps her seat I would prefer Mordant but jumping ahead 4 years better for her to become Conservative leader then rather than when Sunak jumps ship if not pushed overboard.
 

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The latest Electoral Calculus projection suggests the Greens would win their 4 target seats (1 already held) but more surprisingly that Reform would win 19. Not sure if that would be realised...
I was watching a You Tube video of someone in usually safe Tory Chichester doing a 'vox pop' about voting intentions, and he (and I) were greatly surprised when some younger people, from both apparently working class and middle class backgrounds, stated they were thinking of voting Reform, this in a strong Remain area. Closer questioning revealed that Tik Tok were churning out videos backing Reform, suggesting to me that maybe Russia is seeking to influence the result. Given the ridiculously long six week hiatus between election announcement and it taking place, this surprises me not one jot.
 

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I was watching a You Tube video of someone in usually safe Tory Chichester doing a 'vox pop' about voting intentions, and he (and I) were greatly surprised when some younger people, from both apparently working class and middle class backgrounds, stated they were thinking of voting Reform, this in a strong Remain area. Closer questioning revealed that Tik Tok were churning out videos backing Reform, suggesting to me that maybe Russia is seeking to influence the result. Given the ridiculously long six week hiatus between election announcement and it taking place, this surprises me not one jot.
It also seems that Andrew and Tristan Tate are telling young viewers to vote Reform
 

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Most of the campaigning feels like an extention of PMQs with both Conservative and Labour spending time talking about how bad the other is
This seems to get worse every election. All the leaflets I have had are the same.
Nobody has convinced me I should vote for them.
 

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Yep. Everything will be amazing.
It'll be better than it has been

No rail disputes.
Likely much less, yes.
Everything nationalised.
Hopefully
With a hint of tax, tax, tax.
The Conservatives have handed us the highest tax burden in 70 years...

Starting with Council Tax. Can't wait.
Care to point out where it say's Labour would raise council taxes in their manifesto?
 

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The start of a period during which all supporters of the Labour party are deeply disappointed by the party.
Indeed.....it's reckoned that the main opposition to the new government will come from within its own ranks. Honeymoon period will be over very quickly
 

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It'll be better than it has been


Likely much less, yes.

Hopefully

The Conservatives have handed us the highest tax burden in 70 years...


Care to point out where it say's Labour would raise council taxes in their manifesto?
I can’t see the tax burden going down

Not required in the manifesto, but with costs still rising and to improve services the next 2 budgets will be interesting.
 

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Care to point out where it say's Labour would raise council taxes in their manifesto?
Manifestos are as much about what is not said as what is written in them.

Have Labour stated they will not raise Council Tax?
 

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I can’t see the tax burden going down

Not required in the manifesto, but with costs still rising and to improve services the next 2 budgets will be interesting.
Taxes are going up whoever wins the election.
It's already planned by the Conservatives with fiscal drag because of the freeze on thresholds. They are playing games with National Insurance.
But what's kind of funny is that nobody cares, most people accept that tax rises are the cost of getting us out of the mire and returning some of our public services to nearer-normal levels that we had become accustomed to.
It's also the only game in town for the Conservatives now - they try and imply that Labour is bound to raise taxes whereas they won't.

EDIT But Labour should be reforming the Council Tax system so that some people pay more and some pay less, because it's increasingly unfair the way it currently operates. Whether or not they increase the total amount raised is a different matter.

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It's also interesting that MRP and non-MRP polls appear to predict <100 and >100 seats respectively for the Conservatives.
The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/politic...b-dem-tactical-voting-plans-impact-tory-seats) has an article today which - I think - explains some of the difference on the way polling does or does not capture likely "tactical" voting, IE Labour supporters voting LibDem and vice-versa in seats to ensure defeat of the Conservatives. "Tactical campaigning" in which party resources are diverted explicitly to support likely tactical voting is probably significantly greater for this election than it ever has been. In my case, I've had two Labour leaflets but nothing from LibDem, for example.

General election 2024

Analysis

Labour and Lib Dem tactical voting plans will have big impact on Tory seats​

Kiran Stacey and Aletha Adu
Both parties deny accusations of secret deal, but move to only target winnable seats is deliberate tactic

Thu 27 Jun 2024 08.00 BST

According to MRP models, the Conservatives will win about 50 seats at next week’s election. Then again, some pollsters using the same method believe they are heading for closer to 200 seats. The same models show Labour heading for somewhere between 375 and more than 500 seats.
One reason for the huge variation in seat predictions is that people are preparing to vote tactically in historic numbers, encouraged by two opposition parties that have all but abandoned campaigning in each other’s target constituencies.

A poll by Ipsos on Wednesday showed that nearly one in five voters say they are planning to vote for a certain party not because they support it but because it is the one most likely to defeat the Conservatives where they are. That is more than any other general election campaign on record, when the numbers doing so tend to be between 10 and 12%.

Keiran Pedley, a pollster at Ipsos, said: “Tactical voting is set to be more widespread than normal, which is why the Conservatives are doing so badly in some seat projections. If you want to predict the scale of the Conservative defeat, you have to understand the impact of tactical voting.”
Labour and Liberal Democrat voters have often crossed sides to eject Conservative MPs at an election, but this time they are being aided in that choice by the decision by both parties to lead highly targeted campaigns focusing mainly on the Tories.
Both sides deny accusations they have done a secret deal not to challenge each other in seats where it might be close, but the impact of their campaign decisions has largely led to that outcome.
Ed Davey, the Lib Dem leader, has only campaigned in one seat where Labour has a chance of winning – Sheffield Hallam, which is a rare Labour-Lib Dem marginal. The central party has told local activists to make sure they are campaigning in one of about 80 Conservative seats, rather than any that Labour might pick up.
A Lib Dem source said: “Ed has been very clear that he sees it as his role to beat the Tories and get rid of this government. We have made clear to local activists that the campaign is based around being the challengers to the Tories in around 80 seats, and that is where they should be campaigning.”
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-what-is-tactical-voting-and-how-does-it-work

Labour has a similarly disciplined approach to its campaign, forcing candidates and activists to move to seats they see as winnable even if they are far away. Some Labour members say they have even been locked out of their local voter databases in an effort to force them outside their own constituencies.
An analysis this week by the Financial Times showed that Labour campaigners had been diverted away from the 80 Lib Dem target seats. Activists in Somerset, for example, had been instructed to travel more than 80 miles to Plymouth, while London activists have been advised to ignore Lib Dem targets in the capital’s south-west.
One Labour frontbencher said: “This was all worked out right at the start. We weren’t ever allowed into Lib Dem-Tory fights. The strategy has been extremely targeted from the beginning.”
Labour sources say this is not a deliberate ploy to help their Lib Dem rivals, but instead reflects its determination to maximise votes in the seats likely to decide the election. It also reflects the fact that the Lib Dems are most likely to pick up seats from southern Conservatives, whereas the key to a majority for Labour lies farther north, in the “red wall”.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...our-automatic-voter-registration-reform-plans
There are signs, however, that Labour is pulling back its campaign even where doing so could help the Tories.
Labour has told Jovan Owusu-Nepaul, its candidate in Clacton, to move to the West Midlands to shore up support there, even though many activists are keen to campaign against Nigel Farage in the Essex seat.
Some believe that the tactical campaigning is further evidence of the deficiencies of the first past the post voting system, which leads to voters having to choose between parties they support and ones that have a chance of winning where they live.
Darren Hughes, the chief executive of the Electoral Reform Society, said: “Tactical voting is a morbid symptom of the distorting first past the post system used in Westminster elections that often forces people to vote for the least worst option, rather than for a vision of the country they want to live in.”
It's clear that the actual extent of "tactical voting" will make a large difference on the number of Conservative seats after the election.
 
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EDIT But Labour should be reforming the Council Tax system so that some people pay more and some pay less, because it's increasingly unfair the way it currently operates. Whether or not they increase the total amount raised is a different matter.
It won't happen. The Blair/Brown government looked at it a long time ago: it was already too difficult. One of the junior ministers involved was John Healey, who is still around as shadow defence secretary. A new government will have other battles to fight and won't waste their energy fighting this one.

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It's clear that the actual extent of "tactical voting" will make a large difference on the number of Conservative seats after the election.
Has there been any discussion yet on what tactical voting is required to decide which party should be the official opposition?
 

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I received today an election communication leaflet from a Tory candidate but it was from the Tory candidate in a neighbouring constituency not the Tory candidate in the constituency that includes my address and on the postal ballot paper which I received and posted last week.:lol:
The new constituency boundaries are obviously causing confusion for parties of the Royal Mail. We have had 2 deliveries of leaflets for the Labour candidate in the constituency immediately to the south of us. Still an improvement on the election when they delivered Welsh language leaflets for Labour to the the West Highlands.
 

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Have Labour stated they will not raise Council Tax?
They haven't but then they've also not said they won't issue a pony to every family with a daughter aged 16 or under. Do we need them to deny that as well?
 
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