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UK General Election 2024

Now that we are in the final throes of the campaign, who will you be voting for?

  • Labour

    Votes: 104 49.5%
  • Conservative

    Votes: 8 3.8%
  • Reform

    Votes: 18 8.6%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 57 27.1%
  • Green Party

    Votes: 15 7.1%
  • SNP

    Votes: 4 1.9%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 1 0.5%
  • Independent

    Votes: 3 1.4%

  • Total voters
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Spamcan81

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I note when questioned about financing some of Reform's pledges, Farage can only say they have spoken to many people/organisations about them but cannot name who. The one organisation he did name has said Reform's sums don't add up. What a shower of manure that lot are.
 
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Still waiting for some literature apart from Labour (which i get anyway as a member) and a single leaflet from the Trade Union Socialist Coalition.

Mind you the TUSC were third last time so i guess they are organised around here.
Is Galloway’s party also standing in your constituency?
 

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Well today I actually saw two large Vote Tory signs while cycling around Rochester. That is literally the first time while out and about that I've seen any indication that there's a general election happening. But I guess maybe it'd be different if I lived in a marginal.
 

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Well today I actually saw two large Vote Tory signs while cycling around Rochester. That is literally the first time while out and about that I've seen any indication that there's a general election happening. But I guess maybe it'd be different if I lived in a marginal.
In Taunton there are plenty of Lib Dem signs, but this is a target seat of theirs that has been Tory since 2015. I haven't seen any Tory banners though in the constituency, despite both the marginal nature and it being Tory-held, which is a sign they've either given up or are afraid to put them up. I'm in Crayford later this week so will see if there is any notable signs there, which is also a Tory seat that could be a Labour target, while also seeing the previous MP standing down.
 

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Well today I actually saw two large Vote Tory signs while cycling around Rochester. That is literally the first time while out and about that I've seen any indication that there's a general election happening. But I guess maybe it'd be different if I lived in a marginal.

I suspect signs depend on the way campaigning is done locally.

Even where I live where it's a safe seat there's always some signs (normally only Tory), however this year there's been a scattering of Lib Dem signs (broadly the same number) which is the first time that they've been so noticeable.
 

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I'm wondering what the next Ed Davey publicity stunt. Ed bungy jumping, Ed parachuting out of a plane, Ed wrestling crocodiles, Ed wing walking, Ed being ripped apart by lions, Ed.......(Insert the next ludicrous stunt). I don't know who came up with their campaign but it's doing nothing for me.
Eds generally make a hash of elections - cf Ed Milliband 2015. Mind you, this time the LibDems will do well simply because they're not Tory or Labour and thus sufficient of the comfortably well-off middle classes will shift their votes. I somehow doubt that Sir Alan Bates will be one of them given his experience of Davey as the relevant Minister in the Coalition government.
 

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Well today I actually saw two large Vote Tory signs while cycling around Rochester. That is literally the first time while out and about that I've seen any indication that there's a general election happening. But I guess maybe it'd be different if I lived in a marginal.
Within 24 hours of the election being announced, several 'Vote Labour' and 'Liberal Democrats Winning Here' signs appeared around my hometown and the surrounding villages. I've noticed the absolute lack of anything relating to the Conservatives, other than one sign at Arlesey railway station's larger car park. It was much the same during the Mid-Bedfordshire by-election last year.
 

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Looks like the Tories are homing in on some manifesto suggestions from within the Labour party about additional taxes on inheritance / capital gains & Council Tax reform, many right leaning papers leading with this (Link to today's BBC Newspaper Headlines page):


The Daily Mail says Labour has a "secret tax rise dossier" with plans to raise £60bn.
The Daily Express's headline quotes Prime Minister Rishi Sunak as saying "Labour will tax your years of savings in weeks".
An eye-catching picture of a racegoer at Ascot wearing an elaborate headdress adorns the front page of the Daily Telegraph. The main headline reads "Britain 20 years behind Europe on cancer care" and, lower down, the paper reports "tax raid fear" as Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer "suggests savers are 'not working people'".

Yes it could all just be right leaning media bluster, but these are exactly the kinds of things that will alert the Blue Wall, even though Labour have not adopted such policies in their election manifesto. Its these things that could scare some voters leaning towards Reform to beat a hasty retreat back home to Toryville, and given that some polls suggest that a Tory + Reform polling could come close to matching Labour's current position that could start to reshape the form of the final vote. Labour are going to need to be on the front foot in heading this one off at the pass.
 

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Any party advocating Council Tax reform would be more likely to get my vote; the current system is illogical and unfair and needs reforming. The Conservatives with long memories know what happened last time they tried a radical reform, and presumably this spills over to the other parties who will be equally terrified of ending up being seen to make the same mistake.
Local authority funding is a mess, more so after the various Conservative governments since 2010, but it doesn't figure highly on voters' interests I don't think. Any sensible reform would probably also mean significant increases for London residents and reductions for places where "levelling up" might apply.
 

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Any party advocating Council Tax reform would be more likely to get my vote; the current system is illogical and unfair and needs reforming. The Conservatives with long memories know what happened last time they tried a radical reform, and presumably this spills over to the other parties who will be equally terrified of ending up being seen to make the same mistake.
Local authority funding is a mess, more so after the various Conservative governments since 2010, but it doesn't figure highly on voters' interests I don't think. Any sensible reform would probably also mean significant increases for London residents and reductions for places where "levelling up" might apply.
I guess that last point would be key, would a reform lead to lower CT rates outside the capital? If so it may be seen as a positive (although that would depend on the impact on local services), however people tend to be more suspicious of reform leading to higher taxation. So if reform is something Labour are mulling over for some time in the upcoming term, they probably now need to make that clear now otherwise the Tories will weaponise this issue.
 

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The SDP's manifesto features quite a few transport policies:
Our railway system will be nationalised. Rail operator Franchises will be taken back into public ownership as they fall due via a re-established British Railways.
Feels very similar (pretty much identical) to Labour's plan.
British Railways will be a comprehensive, fully integrated system encompassing the ownership of track and infrastructure, rolling stock, stations and ticketing. The Minister for Rail will be responsible and accountable for making the newly nationalised system work for the public.
So they're going a step further than Labour with the nationalisation of rolling stock and ticketing.
We will favour bids by UK owned and based qualified manufacturers for new contracts to supply locomotives and rolling stock, including sub-systems and components. A rolling long term of programme of train-line electrification will be established.
Looks like the SDP favours electrification over battery.
We will use funds saved by the scaling back of HS2 to create a Great Northern Railway Network, better pinking up towns and cities of the North of England to unleash their joint potential. We will seek to reopen at least 10 closed railway stations annually in growth corridors.
The Great Northern Railway Network sounds eerily similar to Network North, especially with the whole "using reallocated HS2 funds."
Funding for bus travel will be increased to enable fare reductions, higher frequency, increased security new bus lanes, integration with other modes of transport and the protection of essential rural routes.
I definitely like the sound of this one.
Contactless payment will be rolled out UK wide for all public transport but the ability to pay for public transport travel cards in cash will be maintained.
Sounds good.
A landing fee tax will be introduced for private jet flights in the UK.
Nothing on banning short, domestic flights where a rail alternative is reasonable though.
 

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I guess that last point would be key, would a reform lead to lower CT rates outside the capital? If so it may be seen as a positive (although that would depend on the impact on local services), however people tend to be more suspicious of reform leading to higher taxation. So if reform is something Labour are mulling over for some time in the upcoming term, they probably now need to make that clear now otherwise the Tories will weaponise this issue.
It'd be intensely problematic because Council Tax is based on some kind of historic property value, and if the only change were to update this base then it'd increase the tax in London and decrease it outside London, but then London councils would have more money and others less, so there'd then need to be some kind of transfer to make up the differences. I don't see that easy at all. The other problem is that those who currently pay "too much" (maybe me) just live with it, whereas under a reform anyone hit with a 20% increase would make a lot of noise.

So it's probably just in the "too hard" category for politicians.

But, then, so is everything related to "levelling up" which was just a Boris soundbite with no substance. Gove probably tried. But they don't really care or intend to do anything, and the "red wall" is now lost beyond salvation anyway so there's no political capital in it either.
 

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Poster counts in my local area:

My constituency: Lib Dem 3, Reform UK 1. Tory/Lib Dem marginal. There was a Tory poster about a week ago hung rather precariously from a balcony but it's now disappeared.
Nearby constituency (safe Labour): Labour 3.
 

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Any party advocating Council Tax reform would be more likely to get my vote; the current system is illogical and unfair and needs reforming. The Conservatives with long memories know what happened last time they tried a radical reform, and presumably this spills over to the other parties who will be equally terrified of ending up being seen to make the same mistake.
Local authority funding is a mess, more so after the various Conservative governments since 2010, but it doesn't figure highly on voters' interests I don't think. Any sensible reform would probably also mean significant increases for London residents and reductions for places where "levelling up" might apply.

I guess that last point would be key, would a reform lead to lower CT rates outside the capital? If so it may be seen as a positive (although that would depend on the impact on local services), however people tend to be more suspicious of reform leading to higher taxation. So if reform is something Labour are mulling over for some time in the upcoming term, they probably now need to make that clear now otherwise the Tories will weaponise this issue.

It'd be intensely problematic because Council Tax is based on some kind of historic property value, and if the only change were to update this base then it'd increase the tax in London and decrease it outside London, but then London councils would have more money and others less, so there'd then need to be some kind of transfer to make up the differences. I don't see that easy at all. The other problem is that those who currently pay "too much" (maybe me) just live with it, whereas under a reform anyone hit with a 20% increase would make a lot of noise.

So it's probably just in the "too hard" category for politicians.

But, then, so is everything related to "levelling up" which was just a Boris soundbite with no substance. Gove probably tried. But they don't really care or intend to do anything, and the "red wall" is now lost beyond salvation anyway so there's no political capital in it either.
There are some misunderstandings here about local government finance in general and council tax in particular.

Before the start of each financial year, each local authority sets a budget of what it plans to spend and how that will be funded. That includes its council tax requirement, the amount it needs to raise from council tax.

At the same time each billing authority calculates the council tax base, the number of properties in each council tax band, and in particular the number of band D equivalents, each of the other bands being on a fixed ratio to band D.

The band D council tax is then calculated by dividing the council tax requirement by the number of band D equivalents, and the other bands by applying the fixed ratios to the band D number.

Reform of council tax on its own does not affect each local authority's council tax requirement, that still comes out of the budget setting process. The main impact of changing the council tax bands, either by a property revaluation, and/or by changing the ratios between the council tax bands, is to change how the council tax requirement is distributed amongst properties within each local authority.

In particular it would not directly redistribute any funds from one local authority to another. That happens all the time through grants from central government. But council tax reform would change the council tax base, and there might be an indirect effect if the council tax base is part of any of the grant distribution calculations.
 

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The constituency here is usually Conservative with a reasonable sized majority although it did have a Labour MP for a short time following the election when Tony Blair became PM. It is being predicted to be won by Labour this time.

Large parts of the constituency is rural and there are usually lots of large Conservative posters in fields near main roads erected by local farmers. I’ve only seen one of these this time. The road into the village where I live usually has a series of Conservative posters on display but this time nothing. I wonder if the local Nottinghamshire farmers are not voting Conservative this time. I’ve seen a few Labour posters in windows of houses but nothing from the Lib Dems as usual in this area. I know the Lib Dems in the past have done very poorly here, but I would have thought that they would have made some effort to get some of the share of Conservative votes and stop the rise of support for Reform. I’ve not had anything from the Lib Dem’s posted through my letterbox.
 

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The only election correspondence I have had through my letterbox from any of the parties so far has been from labour. Nothing from the conservatives so they are either resigned to defeat or not bothering with the areas that have been added to the old constituency as a result of boundary changes.
 

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I note when questioned about financing some of Reform's pledges, Farage can only say they have spoken to many people/organisations about them but cannot name who. The one organisation he did name has said Reform's sums don't add up. What a shower of manure that lot are.
It will be some of the Tufton Street group of right wing think tanks, many of them at one address. The institute of economic affairs backed Truss’s budget, as did Farage.
 

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The SDP's manifesto features quite a few transport policies:

Feels very similar (pretty much identical) to Labour's plan.

So they're going a step further than Labour with the nationalisation of rolling stock and ticketing.

Looks like the SDP favours electrification over battery.

The Great Northern Railway Network sounds eerily similar to Network North, especially with the whole "using reallocated HS2 funds."

I definitely like the sound of this one.

Sounds good.

Nothing on banning short, domestic flights where a rail alternative is reasonable though.
The SDP gets virtually no media coverage, despite having candidates in many constituencies, mostly or maybe wholly in England. I only know anything about its modern iteration because I read the Sunday Times whose columnist Rod Little, who is a member, mentions it from time to time. Basically, they support nationalisation of energy and water companies, as well as railways, and are open to further state involvement in what they regard as essential services. Looking at a list of their candidates and some profiles they tend to be what night be considered slightly older, sane, dependable members of the community, with few admitting much previous direct political experience. If I was living in a constituency where I didn't feel it worthwhile to vote for one of the main parties, then I might well put a cross in their favour on a ballot paper.
 

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The SDP gets virtually no media coverage, despite having candidates in many constituencies, mostly or maybe wholly in England. I only know anything about its modern iteration because I read the Sunday Times whose columnist Rod Little, who is a member, mentions it from time to time. Basically, they support nationalisation of energy and water companies, as well as railways, and are open to further state involvement in what they regard as essential services. Looking at a list of their candidates and some profiles they tend to be what night be considered slightly older, sane, dependable members of the community, with few admitting much previous direct political experience. If I was living in a constituency where I didn't feel it worthwhile to vote for one of the main parties, then I might well put a cross in their favour on a ballot paper.
I saw a SDP election broadcast after the news last night. I must admit, I hadn’t realised they still existed.
 

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Just had an election leaflet through the post, personally addressed to me by Tory candidate Theo Clarke (aka The Invisible Woman and JRM's niece). Needless to say. once I'd read it it went straight through my shredder.
I've already decided who I'm voting for and it ain't you, Mrs.Clarke.
 

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I saw a SDP election broadcast after the news last night. I must admit, I hadn’t realised they still existed.
Dear lord, are they letting everybody who can put a PowerPoint together have a broadcast this time? I mean I don't object, not least because I never watch broadcast TV, but I can remember when it was contentious that the Greens got one
 

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Dear lord, are they letting everybody who can put a PowerPoint together have a broadcast this time? I mean I don't object, not least because I never watch broadcast TV, but I can remember when it was contentious that the Greens got one
I think it may be related to the number of candidates a party fields in the election. Some of these parties are going to loose a lot of money in deposits I suspect.
 

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I think it may be related to the number of candidates a party fields in the election. Some of these parties are going to loose a lot of money in deposits I suspect.
The Ofcom rules on Party Political and Referendum Broadcasts say
Registered parties should qualify for a PEB (Party Election Broadcast) if they are contesting one sixth or more of the seats up for election in the case of first-past-the-post, multi-constituency elections such as a General Election
 

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The Ofcom rules on Party Political and Referendum Broadcasts say Registered parties should qualify for a PEB (Party Election Broadcast) if they are contesting one sixth or more of the seats up for election in the case of first-past-the-post, multi-constituency elections such as a General Election

Interesting. I calculate that as around a hundred seats, and the deposits at around 200k. That's a pretty good rate for that much prime advertising. Obviously you've got to find people who will stand, but there's surely an opportunity for the McDonald's Flame Grilled Whopper party to advertise their dedicated employees commitment to serve their constituents across the country
 

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Interesting. I calculate that as around a hundred seats, and the deposits at around 200k. That's a pretty good rate for that much prime advertising. Obviously you've got to find people who will stand, but there's surely an opportunity for the McDonald's Flame Grilled Whopper party to advertise their dedicated employees commitment to serve their constituents across the country
They'd probably win a few seats
 
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