• Our new ticketing site is now live! Using either this or the original site (both powered by TrainSplit) helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchase! Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread!

UK General Election 2024

Now that we are in the final throes of the campaign, who will you be voting for?

  • Labour

    Votes: 104 49.5%
  • Conservative

    Votes: 8 3.8%
  • Reform

    Votes: 18 8.6%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 57 27.1%
  • Green Party

    Votes: 15 7.1%
  • SNP

    Votes: 4 1.9%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 1 0.5%
  • Independent

    Votes: 3 1.4%

  • Total voters
    210
Status
Not open for further replies.

61653 HTAFC

Veteran Member
Joined
18 Dec 2012
Messages
19,347
Location
Yorkshire
I agree one shouldn't go down the road of judging mental health/ability unless one is a professional in that field. I would say Truss isn't insane, but "believes" in what gets her the biggest benefits. However, she is arguably the biggest reason the Tories are widely predicted to be thrashed in this election, so if I was you, or anyone else sympathetic to the Tories, I would not be defending her an iota.
I'd argue that the bloke who was in the job for two years holds more responsibility than the woman who was only there for six weeks. Whilst it's fair to take anything any politician says with a large pinch of salt, there's definitely a case that Truss's premiership was sabotaged from day one. As for saying she "believes in what gets her the biggest benefits", that is the case for every politician of every party to some extent.

Yes, I know, I'm somehow defending Liz Truss here for some reason, but only from the perspective of looking past the "memes" about lettuces. As far as her mental capacities are concerned, I've seen some commentators suggest that perhaps she's on the autism spectrum. I'm not qualified to make such a judgement, but it speaks volumes that some feel that's an acceptable point of criticism for someone on the opposing side of the political aisle.
 
Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; click here to register, or click here to log in
R

RailUK Forums

brad465

Veteran Member
Joined
11 Aug 2010
Messages
11,433
Location
Taunton or Kent
I'd argue that the bloke who was in the job for two years holds more responsibility than the woman who was only there for six weeks. Whilst it's fair to take anything any politician says with a large pinch of salt, there's definitely a case that Truss's premiership was sabotaged from day one. As for saying she "believes in what gets her the biggest benefits", that is the case for every politician of every party to some extent.
Who do you think sabotaged her premiership?

It's not uncommon for a party's time in government to come to an end because of one specific event, even if better times followed. Black Wednesday sunk Tory opinion polling in 1992 to levels it never recovered from for the remainder of the term, even though the economy improved to the point Blair inherited a better one than pre-BW. Truss's time as PM caused a collapse in polling for the Tories and while Sunak recovered it from her lows, he never got it back to pre-Truss levels. The issue here is about trust; whether in politics or general life, it's very easy to break, then once broken takes a long time to repair.

I suspect something that hasn't helped Sunak either, is that Truss has continued to double down on the ideology she was trying to pursue as PM and ensure this was all over the media whenever he spoke, which means the electorate are reminded of both her failures as PM and the fact she hasn't gone away.

Yes, I know, I'm somehow defending Liz Truss here for some reason, but only from the perspective of looking past the "memes" about lettuces. As far as her mental capacities are concerned, I've seen some commentators suggest that perhaps she's on the autism spectrum. I'm not qualified to make such a judgement, but it speaks volumes that some feel that's an acceptable point of criticism for someone on the opposing side of the political aisle.
Which commentators have suggested this? I suspect it's just loudmouths on Twitter/social media who don't have a huge following, because if a journalist/reporter/MP claimed she or anyone else prolific had a specific mental disability, they'd be in the dock for libel.
 

najaB

Veteran Member
Joined
28 Aug 2011
Messages
33,606
Location
Scotland
I'd argue that the bloke who was in the job for two years holds more responsibility than the woman who was only there for six weeks.
I disagree. Ms Truss did more to trash the Conservative's reputation for prudent fiscal management in six weeks than Boris had managed in his entire time in office. While he had his moments, I don't recall his spooking the money markets to the extent that it almost crashed the pound down to parity with the US dollar.
 

Busaholic

Veteran Member
Joined
7 Jun 2014
Messages
14,671
There are a few "outlier" seats in the election, I think, where we might get atypical results.

Firstly, Ashfield. What do people think will happen here? I think that this is the most likely seat for Reform to gain, more even than Clacton, due to Anderson being the incumbent. It seems to be a deeply socially-conservative locale with a 70% Brexit vote in the referendum, for example. The "Ashfield Independents" are also challenging and did well last time but their candidate seems to have a few controversies and is awaiting trial for various criminal offences:


The Tory candidate is an unknown and has little chance of winning, I suspect.

Sadly I think it'll be Anderson though it's possible the right-wing, pro-Brexit vote could be split between Anderson, the Independents and the Tories and Labour get in.

Secondly, Portsmouth North, Mordaunt seems to be unafraid to criticise Sunak's actions over D-Day and could well maintain local support; so I suspect she might hold the seat, albeit narrowly.

Thirdly, Chingford and Woodford Green. I think Labour have made a tactical error here in blocking Faiza Shaheen from standing on rather spurious grounds. She almost won last time and I suspect would have easily won this time. Instead, they got someone else in and she is now standing as an independent. This could well split the left vote and, in a divergence from the national trend, Duncan Smith may well hold the seat.

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: ==
I'll make the attempt to rise to your challenge.

With Ashfield, I think Anderson will either take the seat for Reform or lose by a surprisingly large number of votes, both being possible
on account of the obviously unique set of circumstances surrounding politics in the local area. I admit being totally ignorant as to what these are, other than doubting it'll show as a CON HOLD!

Penny Morduant may just have saved her skin in Portsmouth North by her appearance on the BBC election hustings programme on Friday which made no attempt to excuse Sunak and team's decision to abandon ship before the D-Day commemorations were over, but I think it'll still be tight. It'd be much better for her personally to hang on there so she can join the fierce competition to become the next Tory leader.

Ex-leader IDS seems to now have the very slightest chance of retaining Chingford and Woodford Green, an almost unbelievable prospect a fortnight ago, thanks to Starmer and Co's ridiculous control freakery which will divide the Left vote. Students of election result history might find this one interesting if, as some like Prof John Curtice are suggesting, Churchill's 1945 election rout is repeated, as Winston S. was MP for Woodford.
 

nlogax

Established Member
Joined
29 May 2011
Messages
6,013
Location
Mostly Glasgow-ish. Mostly.
I don't think it's very fair at all to speculate on Liz Truss's mental capacity. Or is it okay because she's on the "wrong" team? :rolleyes:

I'd sooner vote for a party led by Truss than the "global citizen" Sunak, or the political chameleon Starmer.

Truss possesses what looks like a low-key Messiah complex. She's dangerous, delusional and incapable of displaying any reflection or humility. 40-something days in charge and her actions nearly broke our economy. The quicker she buggers off into the country's rear view mirror the better off we'll all be.

Beyond the speculation re. individual seats, this will be the first time in a decade or two (outside of Brexit and the 2020 US election) that I'll be staying up until the next day to watch the GE outcome. This election more than any other in living memory is an existential threat for entire political parties.
 

Snow1964

Established Member
Joined
7 Oct 2019
Messages
11,083
Location
West Wiltshire
Manifesto week
today (Monday) at 11am Lib Dem
tommorow Conservatives
Wednesday Greens
Thursday Labour

Wonder what each will say about infrastructure and rail transport
 

Falcon1200

Established Member
Joined
14 Jun 2021
Messages
6,534
Location
Neilston, East Renfrewshire
Though Labour are apparently going to push for Palestine to be recognised as a state which will help, we'll see exactly how and when though.

Does that mean that Labour would also recognise Hamas as legitimate authority for (part of) Palestine?

I find myself very much undecided as to my vote;
Conservatives - No, after the messes they have made, and in particular their refusal to end the railway's industrial disputes.
Farage, any party led by or of which he is a member; Absolutely not.
Lib Dems; Wasted vote, they have no chance of forming the Government, or winning in my constituency.
Greens; Ditto.
SNP; As a committed Unionist, never, not ever.

Which leaves Labour; Yet I cannot agree with some of their policies, eg the class warfare tax on private school fees, giving the vote to 16 and 17 year olds, plus distrust of Keir Starmer after his support for Jeremy Corbyn.

Were it not for the need to defeat the SNP candidate, and prevent any significant number of votes for them being deemed to be (yet another) demand for independence, NOW, I would seriously consider not voting at all, for the first time since 1979, so disillusioned am I with our politics, and politicians, all of them.
 

edwin_m

Veteran Member
Joined
21 Apr 2013
Messages
28,624
Location
Nottingham
Truss's diagnosis of lack of growth was fundamentally right, but her proposed cure was wrong both economically and politically.

Tax cuts for the rich don't help the economy much, especially when the problem is on the supply side and they tend to just stoke inflation. They are also a bad look politically when people are struggling with the cost of living and energy prices are sprialling. If tax cuts were necessary then they should have been for those that could least afford to pay those bills. Trying to circumvent the OBR with unfunded cuts looked bad to the politically interested and spooked the market (who was it who said you can't buck the market?), leading to rises in interest rates which ultimately fed through to everyone's mortgages (with a time delay due to fixed terms expiring, so continuing to cause damage into Sunak's premiership).
 

nw1

Established Member
Joined
9 Aug 2013
Messages
9,414
I'd sooner vote for a party led by Truss than the "global citizen" Sunak, or the political chameleon Starmer.
Really? You don't think it's of any consequences that she almost crashed the economy?
I'm no fan of Sunak but Truss is clearly by far the worst of the three.
 

MotCO

Established Member
Joined
25 Aug 2014
Messages
6,103
40-something days in charge and her actions nearly broke our economy. The quicker she buggers off into the country's rear view mirror the better off we'll all be.
She is more right wing than Sunak, and probably displays more typical conservative values - she was indeed voted by the conservative membership. Her views on the economy are probably right - we do need to reduce the tax burden on individuals and companies to encourage growth (the Tories are saying the same thing in this election) - but she tried to do this without sounding out the City, and seeking behind-the-scenes support for this. She went too quickly and did not communicate well.

And she was scuppered by the Bank of England's actions over Liability-Driven Investments. These had been developed to offset the untraditionally low interest rates and their effect on pension investments. The BofE did not brief Truss nor the City on the ticking time-bomb that could explode once interest rates on gilts moved out of their expected range - in truth, they probably did not know what would happen. Truss's mini-budget sent gilt prices out of this expected range, and the rest is history.

 

The Ham

Veteran Member
Joined
6 Jul 2012
Messages
12,036
I'll make the attempt to rise to your challenge.

With Ashfield, I think Anderson will either take the seat for Reform or lose by a surprisingly large number of votes, both being possible
on account of the obviously unique set of circumstances surrounding politics in the local area. I admit being totally ignorant as to what these are, other than doubting it'll show as a CON HOLD!

Penny Morduant may just have saved her skin in Portsmouth North by her appearance on the BBC election hustings programme on Friday which made no attempt to excuse Sunak and team's decision to abandon ship before the D-Day commemorations were over, but I think it'll still be tight. It'd be much better for her personally to hang on there so she can join the fierce competition to become the next Tory leader.

Ex-leader IDS seems to now have the very slightest chance of retaining Chingford and Woodford Green, an almost unbelievable prospect a fortnight ago, thanks to Starmer and Co's ridiculous control freakery which will divide the Left vote. Students of election result history might find this one interesting if, as some like Prof John Curtice are suggesting, Churchill's 1945 election rout is repeated, as Winston S. was MP for Woodford.

I was watching a video where they were saying that a lot of polling analysis doesn't take into account local election results, now I don't know for sure how reliable that claim is, however they were suggesting that it could alter some of the predicted outcomes.

For example a Tory seat with LIb Dems or Green coming 2nd with say 23% and Labour 3rd with 10% may have local elections where the Lib Dems or Greens get some councillors alongside the Tories and may every just miss out on others due to being within a few percent of a win which may be shown to be a Tory retain with Labour as second in the polls could actually result as a Lib Dems/Green win with Labour being pushed to third - even though the polls have Labour as second behind the Tories.

As it's mostly guesswork it may not come to pass, however I thought it was an interesting idea.

If anyone else is interested it's within this video:
 

YorkRailFan

Established Member
Joined
6 Sep 2023
Messages
3,304
Location
York
Leader of the Scottish Conservatives, Douglas Ross has announced he will resign as Leader of the Scottish Conservatives and stand down as a MSP at the next Scottish Parliamentary elections if elected as a MP at this election.

BREAKING: Douglas Ross has announced he will resign as leader of the Scottish Tories.

He has also said he will stand down as an MSP should he be elected as an MP at the General Election.

Another blow to the Tories, they'll now have to search for a new Leader in Scotland, where they're set to face a wipe out as they are nationally.
 

YorkRailFan

Established Member
Joined
6 Sep 2023
Messages
3,304
Location
York
The Lib Dems are interestingly pledging to take the UK back into the EU single markets. This could be very popular with the pro-rejoin movement, especially on the political center.
BREAKING: The Lib Dems have pledged to take the UK back into the European Union single market

Looking forward to how Starmer and Labour will respond to this move.
 

deltic

Established Member
Joined
8 Feb 2010
Messages
3,714
Does that mean that Labour would also recognise Hamas as legitimate authority for (part of) Palestine?

I find myself very much undecided as to my vote;
Conservatives - No, after the messes they have made, and in particular their refusal to end the railway's industrial disputes.
Farage, any party led by or of which he is a member; Absolutely not.
Lib Dems; Wasted vote, they have no chance of forming the Government, or winning in my constituency.
Greens; Ditto.
SNP; As a committed Unionist, never, not ever.
No vote is wasted - it might not lead to your desired outcome but impacts the amount of money opposition parties get and influences policy. We have seen that with the influence UKIP and Reform have without a single MP.
 

stadler

Established Member
Joined
5 Jun 2023
Messages
3,304
Location
Horsley
I have just discovered today that there is an independent candidate who is running in at least 11 different constituencies in the upcoming election. Does anyone know if the rules have changed because i was under the impression that you can only run in one constituency.

Niko Omilana is a Youtube prankster who also ran against Sadiq Khan in the 2021 London Mayor elections. He is basically a joke candidate like Count Binface and Lord Buckethead and he is probably just running for a laugh and to make a Youtube video out of it.

Niko Omilana is currently listed as a candidate in the upcoming general election in at least 11 different constituencies:

Bermondsey And Old Southwark
Birmingham Perry Barr
Coventry South
Dundee Central
Ealing Southall
Greenwich And Woolwich
Leeds East
Leeds South
North West Essex
Richmond And Northallerton
Stockton West

I have only found 11 so far but it is possible he may be running in even more constituencies.

Something seems a bit odd here and i am surprised the media have not picked up on this.

I thought it was the case that you could only run in one constituency? Or is it just the case that an MP can only represent one constituency? So technically you could run for multiple constituencies but if you won multiple constituencies you would have to resign in all except one? Does anyone know the exact rules as some of the info online is conflicting?
 

deltic

Established Member
Joined
8 Feb 2010
Messages
3,714
I was watching a video where they were saying that a lot of polling analysis doesn't take into account local election results, now I don't know for sure how reliable that claim is, however they were suggesting that it could alter some of the predicted outcomes.

For example a Tory seat with LIb Dems or Green coming 2nd with say 23% and Labour 3rd with 10% may have local elections where the Lib Dems or Greens get some councillors alongside the Tories and may every just miss out on others due to being within a few percent of a win which may be shown to be a Tory retain with Labour as second in the polls could actually result as a Lib Dems/Green win with Labour being pushed to third - even though the polls have Labour as second behind the Tories.

As it's mostly guesswork it may not come to pass, however I thought it was an interesting idea.
People vote differently at local and general elections and turnouts are very different. National opinion polls are poor predictors of what will happen at a local level but are good at giving an overall picture of what will happen nationally.
 

jfollows

Established Member
Joined
26 Feb 2011
Messages
10,085
Location
Wilmslow
See https://www.electoralcommission.org...on/can-i-stand-election-more-one-constituency:

Can I stand for election in more than one constituency?​

You cannot stand in more than one constituency at the same UK Parliamentary general election.1
From https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1983/2/schedule/1#commentary-c19512931:
A candidate’s consent given under this rule—

(a)shall state the day, month and year of his birth; and

(b)shall state—

(i)that he is aware of the provisions of the M2House of Commons Disqualification Act 1975; and

(ii)that to the best of his knowledge and belief he is not disqualified for membership of the House of Commons.

[F49(c)shall state that he is not a candidate at an election for any other constituency the poll for which is to be held on the same day as that for the election to which the consent relates,]
 

deltic

Established Member
Joined
8 Feb 2010
Messages
3,714
I have just discovered today that there is an independent candidate who is running in at least 11 different constituencies in the upcoming election. Does anyone know if the rules have changed because i was under the impression that you can only run in one constituency.

Niko Omilana is a Youtube prankster who also ran against Sadiq Khan in the 2021 London Mayor elections. He is basically a joke candidate like Count Binface and Lord Buckethead and he is probably just running for a laugh and to make a Youtube video out of it.

Niko Omilana is currently listed as a candidate in the upcoming general election in at least 11 different constituencies:

Bermondsey And Old Southwark
Birmingham Perry Barr
Coventry South
Dundee Central
Ealing Southall
Greenwich And Woolwich
Leeds East
Leeds South
North West Essex
Richmond And Northallerton
Stockton West

I have only found 11 so far but it is possible he may be running in even more constituencies.

Something seems a bit odd here and i am surprised the media have not picked up on this.

I thought it was the case that you could only run in one constituency? Or is it just the case that an MP can only represent one constituency? So technically you could run for multiple constituencies but if you won multiple constituencies you would have to resign in all except one? Does anyone know the exact rules as some of the info online is conflicting?
You can only stand in one constituency - he is standing in Richmond - the others are people who have changed their name. He came 5th in the 2021 London Mayoral election and was the best performing independent candidate.
 

The Ham

Veteran Member
Joined
6 Jul 2012
Messages
12,036
People vote differently at local and general elections and turnouts are very different. National opinion polls are poor predictors of what will happen at a local level but are good at giving an overall picture of what will happen nationally.

Indeed, as I said it may not alter the outcome vs what's said in the polls but I found it an interesting thought.
 

YorkRailFan

Established Member
Joined
6 Sep 2023
Messages
3,304
Location
York
The Lib Dems are now trying to pick up voters who would normally go for Labour but aren't due to Labour's stance on Gaza.
BREAKING: The Lib Dem manifesto pledges the party would officially recognise the independent state of Palestine "with immediate effect"
 

ChrisC

Established Member
Joined
7 Oct 2018
Messages
2,255
Location
Nottinghamshire
There are a few "outlier" seats in the election, I think, where we might get atypical results.

Firstly, Ashfield. What do people think will happen here? I think that this is the most likely seat for Reform to gain, more even than Clacton, due to Anderson being the incumbent. It seems to be a deeply socially-conservative locale with a 70% Brexit vote in the referendum, for example. The "Ashfield Independents" are also challenging and did well last time but their candidate seems to have a few controversies and is awaiting trial for various criminal offences:


The Tory candidate is an unknown and has little chance of winning, I suspect.

Sadly I think it'll be Anderson though it's possible the right-wing, pro-Brexit vote could be split between Anderson, the Independents and the Tories and Labour get in.
Ashfield will be an interesting one. I live in the adjoining Sherwood Forest constituency and so know parts of Ashfield quite well and spent lots of time in Kirkby in Ashfield at my grandparents during the 1960/70s.

Certainly as an ex mining area much of Ashfield was traditionally Labour and very much the old Labour Party pre Tony Blair. It was an area where many people didn’t ever consider voting anything other than Labour. My grandmother used to say that if a red rosette was pinned onto a pig they would vote for it! Many of the older people living in Ashfield are still traditional Labour voters but of the Harold Wilson/Denis Skinner type. Tony Blair and New Labour were held with suspicion and I think Keir Starmer is viewed similarly and not trusted by many. Seemingly middle class London Islington style Labour are not popular and Jeremy Corbyn to them was even worse. In 1977 at a by election the Conservatives did the unimaginable and won in Ashfield by a very small majority but it returned to Labour at the next general election.

Following that came the miners strike and the Conservative Party led by Margaret Thatcher were very unpopular. Despite that, during Tony Blair’s time and after the Labour majority slowly reduced. There was a very big vote in favour of Brexit and that is almost certainly why the Conservatives got such a large majority in the 2019 election. The Independents also did very well in 2019 resulting in Labour coming in 3rd place behind them.

It’s difficult to predict what will happen on 4th July but I do think that the Conservative vote will be absolutely decimated. They are not even going to get some lifelong traditional conservative voters voting for them, especially the more moderate centre right remain voters. They may vote for the Independent candidate, despite his upcoming court case, or the LibDems because they would never vote Labour. Lee Anderson is certainly popular with many of the older traditional Labour voters. If you go in many of pubs in the ex mining communities of Ashfield you will find them full of people talking like Lee Anderson’s, especially after they have had a few drinks! The Liberal Democrats have never done well in any of the Nottinghamshire ex mining constituencies. I think it may be quite a close thing between Labour and Reform and if they had a different candidate I wouldn’t have completely ruled out the Independents.
 
Last edited:

DynamicSpirit

Established Member
Joined
12 Apr 2012
Messages
9,211
Location
SE London
I find myself very much undecided as to my vote;
Conservatives - No, after the messes they have made, and in particular their refusal to end the railway's industrial disputes.
Farage, any party led by or of which he is a member; Absolutely not.
Lib Dems; Wasted vote, they have no chance of forming the Government, or winning in my constituency.
Greens; Ditto.
SNP; As a committed Unionist, never, not ever.

Which leaves Labour; Yet I cannot agree with some of their policies, eg the class warfare tax on private school fees, giving the vote to 16 and 17 year olds, plus distrust of Keir Starmer after his support for Jeremy Corbyn.

Were it not for the need to defeat the SNP candidate, and prevent any significant number of votes for them being deemed to be (yet another) demand for independence, NOW, I would seriously consider not voting at all, for the first time since 1979, so disillusioned am I with our politics, and politicians, all of them.

Yeah, I guess however you vote is always a compromise where you have to hold your nose at some of the policies of your least-bad choice. My own vote in this election for the LibDems will be despite profoundly disagreeing with them on Europe and culture-wars issues, and being very suspicious of what seems to me to be a somewhat big-Government, anti-private-enterprise instinct on their part. But as far as I can see that still leaves them the best (or maybe the least-bad?) option for me by a country mile. (My own constituency is safe Labour so I have no tactical voting concerns to worry about)
 

BrianW

Established Member
Joined
22 Mar 2017
Messages
2,131
Ashfield will be an interesting one. I live in the adjoining Sherwood Forest constituency and so know parts of Ashfield quite well and spent lots of time in Kirkby in Ashfield at my grandparents during the 1960/70s.

Certainly as an ex mining area much of Ashfield was traditionally Labour and very much the old Labour Party pre Tony Blair. It was an area where many people didn’t ever consider voting anything other than Labour. My grandmother used to say that if a red rosette was pinned onto a pig they would vote for it! Many of the older people living in Ashfield are still traditional Labour voters but of the Harold Wilson/Denis Skinner type. Tony Blair and New Labour were held with suspicion and I think Keir Starmer is viewed similarly and not trusted by many. Seemingly middle class London Islington style Labour are not popular and Jeremy Corbyn to them was even worse. In 1977 at a by election the Conservatives did the unimaginable and won in Ashfield by a very small majority but it returned to Labour at the next general election.

Following that came the miners strike and the Conservative Party led by Margaret Thatcher were very unpopular. Despite that, during Tony Blair’s time and after the Labour majority slowly reduced. There was a very big vote in favour of Brexit and that is almost certainly why the Conservatives got such a large majority in the 2019 election. The Independents also did very well in 2019 resulting in Labour coming in 3rd place behind them.

It’s difficult to predict what will happen on 4th July but I do think that the Conservative vote will be absolutely decimated. They are not even going to get some lifelong traditional conservative voters voting for them, especially the more moderate centre right remain voters. They may vote for the Independent candidate, despite his upcoming court case, or the LibDems because they would never vote Labour. Lee Anderson is certainly popular with many of the older traditional Labour voters and if you go in many of pubs in the ex mining communities of Ashfield you will find the full of Lee Anderson’s! The Liberal Democrats have never done well in any of the Nottinghamshire ex mining constituencies. I think it may be quite a close thing between Labour and Reform and if they had a different candidate I wouldn’t have completely ruled out the Independents.
Now, do 'the bookies' expect to make or lose money?- Labour odds-on to win:
 

nw1

Established Member
Joined
9 Aug 2013
Messages
9,414
You can only stand in one constituency - he is standing in Richmond - the others are people who have changed their name. He came 5th in the 2021 London Mayoral election and was the best performing independent candidate.

So the prankster is being pranked himself by others?
 

dosxuk

Established Member
Joined
2 Jan 2011
Messages
2,435
It begins - Reform candidate said UK should have been neutral against Hitler

A Reform UK candidate claimed the country would be "far better" if it had "taken Hitler up on his offer of neutrality" instead of fighting the Nazis in World War Two.

Ian Gribbin, the party's candidate in Bexhill and Battle, also wrote online that women were the "sponging gender" and should be "deprived of health care".

In posts from 2022 on the Unherd magazine website, seen by the BBC, he said Winston Churchill was "abysmal" and praised Russian President Vladimir Putin.

A Reform spokesman said the comments were not "endorsements" but "written with an eye to inconvenient perspectives and truths", while his remarks about women were "tongue in cheek".

Mr Gribbin declined to comment.

In July 2022, Mr Gribbin posted on the Unherd website: "Britain would be in a far better state today had we taken Hitler up on his offer of neutrality…. but oh no Britain’s warped mindset values weird notions of international morality rather than looking after its own people."

The same month he wrote: "In Britain specifically we need to exorcise the cult of Churchill and recognize that in both policy and military strategy, he was abysmal."

The previous month he criticised women, writing on the site’s message board: "Do you think you could actually work and pay for it all too like good citizens?

"Men pay 80% of tax – women spend 80% of tax revenue. On aggregate as a group you only take from society.

"Less complaining please from the 'sponging gender'."

He added that women are "subsidised by men to merely breath (sic)".

In January 2022 he posted: "Men pay 80% of tax. Women take out 80% of expenditures.

"Square that inequality first by depriving women of healthcare until their life expectancies are the same as men, Fair’s fair."

In December 2021 he wrote female soldiers "almost made me wretch (sic)" and were a "total liability".
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Top