Tyne Dock

[cawky22]

Hello guys,
Wonder if anyone can let me know how many trains per week are leaving Tyne Dock as I have noticed the coal stock piles are dramatically reducing.I often go into the dock as I do work as a volunteer for Mission to Seafarers and have noticed that not too many trains load coal during the day but after 1800 there is often 2 loading at a time .I also go on the biomass ships and since the end of October there has been about 250 000 tonnes arrive , once this vessel Petrel Bulker has finished discharge , she has been in since Boxing day but they cannot unload if it rains and also if the wind is more than 10 mph westerly.

 

[Freightmaster]

Hello guys,
Wonder if anyone can let me know how many trains per week are leaving Tyne Dock...

It varies from week to week depending on the requirements of the
power stations, but the current figure is around 70 trains a week*,
as this is the peak time of year for electricity generation.

* 14-21 of which are biomass.

MARK

 

[142094]

There was a problem recently with the biomass setting itself on fire, so not sure if this has had any effect on trips out of the port.

 

[ChiefPlanner]

There was a problem recently with the biomass setting itself on fire, so not sure if this has had any effect on trips out of the port.

Coal used to do that occassionally.

Out of curousity , anyone got any pictures of what "biomass" looks like - presume "pellets" - always had visions of trains of HAA / HTA with a mix of old pianos , pallets , chair legs , MDF furniture poking out of the top of the wagons !! ?

 

[cawky22]

There was a problem recently with the biomass setting itself on fire, so not sure if this has had any effect on trips out of the port.

It was the Biomass storage shed 'where about 200 tonnnes caught fire :-

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/nort...iomass-blaze-in-south-shields-72703-29688092/

The pellets come from here :-

http://www.fibreco.com/about.htm

and look like this :-

http://www.fibreco.com/Pellets.html

 

[scotsman]

Coal used to do that occassionally.

Out of curousity , anyone got any pictures of what "biomass" looks like - presume "pellets" - always had visions of trains of HAA / HTA with a mix of old pianos , pallets , chair legs , MDF furniture poking out of the top of the wagons !! ?

They look like HAAs with fully covered tops - biomass is quite a wide term

 

[142094]

Had a tour around Drax last year - quite interesting. It is mainly pelletised biomass - usually offcuts of wood and reclaimed materials, although increasingly Drax are getting plant material such as miscanthus, willow and other fast growing species. Drax has the same problem with the biomass spontaneously igniting. Once it gets there is is pulverised into power and fet into the burners much in the same way as the coal is (those pulverisers make one hell of a racket when they're going full pelt).

 

[sprinterguy]

They look like HAAs with fully covered tops - biomass is quite a wide term

I think you've got your TOPS codes mixed up: There aren't any (or at least, not very many) of the four wheel HAA hoppers left in service.

The biomass hoppers used on GBRfs' biomass traffic from Tyne Dock are HYA/IIA high capacity bogie hoppers, of the same design as EWS' HTA hoppers, converted to have, as you say, hydraulically operated covered tops.

 

[ChiefPlanner]

It was the Biomass storage shed 'where about 200 tonnnes caught fire :-

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/nort...iomass-blaze-in-south-shields-72703-29688092/

The pellets come from here :-

http://www.fibreco.com/about.htm

and look like this :-

http://www.fibreco.com/Pellets.html

Excellent - thnk you.

I recall talking to a Freightliner colleaugue who mentioned a trial load of compacted olive oil pressings / waste which they moved from Hull Docks to Drax about 2 years ago - must have burnt well , and smelled beautifull !

 

[142094]

and smelled beautifull !

You wouldn't have been able to smell anything though as the waste gases are treated! Plenty of coal dust if you like that smell though.

Also, there was a trial of peanut husks (which is why you cannot go to certain parts if you have a nut allergy).

 

[ChiefPlanner]

You wouldn't have been able to smell anything though as the waste gases are treated! Plenty of coal dust if you like that smell though.

Also, there was a trial of peanut husks (which is why you cannot go to certain parts if you have a nut allergy).

The commodities the railways carry - I once did a Freightliner special working way back in the 80's to Liverpool from Felxxstowe , all 20' containers, from the USA - the load being match splints for Bryant and May !

Also many specials of dried beans for Heinz at Wigan (Kitt Green) via Trafford Park - baked beans , for the use of. I put it out on the system as 4ZXX "Fartex" - and got a tongue in cheek reprimand from an East Controller. (who amened the ZZ message to a more prosaic one with load , destination and routing - via Woodhead in this case , which tells you how long ago it was !!!!

 

[142094]

Sure the baked bean train still runs, I was told there is one that goes through the Chunnel to Italy loaded with beans and cornflakes.

 

[cawky22]

These are the biomass wagons and they only have one set though the loading facilities can load 8 trains a day as it takes 3 hours to load the silo :-

http://www.gbrailfreight.com/news.php?&newsid=911
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It varies from week to week depending on the requirements of the
power stations, but the current figure is around 70 trains a week*,
as this is the peak time of year for electricity generation.

* 14-21 of which are biomass.

MARK

Thanks for the reply Freighmaster .
At 70 trains a week 21 biomass trains will equate to approximately 21 X 1250 tonnes = 26250

50 coal trains x 1300 tonnes @19 wagons = 65 000 tonnes which is a panamax ship full of coal .

Look at Exskins video of the climb out of the Dock and read his comments too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tchl...xt=C3b5d21cUDOEgsToPDskIF9EKVvvg3jXMHxpqkAVD0
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just found these vids :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=D5b7Kes86-0

Coal from the conveyor into the stockyard

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmjC0jJSa_g&feature=related

 

[cawky22]

Just heard from a green driver who is now team (blue)Tyne Dock and I asked him how many trains are running from Tyne Dock , he said 12 a day approx , but they are wanting 25 a day !! I was also speaking to the cargo supervisaor and he told me Drax can ask for 4 trains a day which equates to just over 5000 tonnes a day . the crane can unload 5000 tonnes a day and usually there are 2 cranes unloading the ships when there in.He also sai d that there are plans for another biomass facility ,here is the video he made and the comments are on there :- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l__cwepPeA0&context=C359f926ADOEgsToPDskJHE8zT-wrJlDz2SsLzQvgv

here is a video of a 2000 ton coal train leaving Tyne Dock :-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tchl...xt=C35dec54UDOEgsToPDskJi4q8e0ggGQ6YzDH3Gr4EY

 

[Freightmaster]

On the suject of biomass, GBRf are down to run a train from Portbury to Drax
this Saturday, which will be a pair of 66/7s to get it over the Lickey, although
it will be dark when it does (7.05 am)

MARK

 

[cawky22]

On the suject of biomass, GBRf are down to run a train from Portbury to Drax
this Saturday, which will be a pair of 66/7s to get it over the Lickey, although
it will be dark when it does (7.05 am)

MARK

Will they be using covered wagons ?
As biomass must be kept dry.
They stop unloading it at any sign of rain here at Tyne Dock.
I thought GBRF only used one set of covered wagons , does anyone know anything different ?

 

[Freightmaster]

Will they be using covered wagons ?

Yes - it's booked to be formed of the empties off one of the
Tyne Dock to Drax workings.

I thought GBRF only used one set of covered wagons , does anyone know anything different ?

GBRf currently have 45 covered IIA hoppers (70.6955.243 to 288)
for biomass traffic, formed into two sets of 21 (with spares)


MARK

 

[cawky22]

thanks very much Freightmaster