Tresspassing in an emergency

[I T S]

If you seen a passenger on the opposite platform collapsing and banging their hit on the ground as they land, then further to that, take a siezure on the platform, would it be classed as tresspassing if you jumped across the track to get to their aid when there was no trains coming either way, however there was a train at a halt in the platform but going no where?

 

[Nonsense]

If you seen a passenger on the opposite platform collapsing and banging their hit on the ground as they land, then further to that, take a siezure on the platform, would it be classed as tresspassing if you jumped across the track to get to their aid when there was no trains coming either way, however there was a train at a halt in the platform but going no where?

Its still trespass. Whether you'd prosecuted though is anyone guess.

 

[Flamingo]

If you seen a passenger on the opposite platform collapsing and banging their hit on the ground as they land, then further to that, take a siezure on the platform, would it be classed as tresspassing if you jumped across the track to get to their aid when there was no trains coming either way, however there was a train at a halt in the platform but going no where?

Rule Number One of First Aid: DO NOT PUT YOURSELF IN DANGER!

Otherwise the second person to arrive on the scene has to decide which of the two casualties is a priority. They might decide it is not you.

You never run to a casualty, you walk to them, assessing the situation as you approach, and exuding an air of calm authority. You only run if there is a fire.

But to answer your question, yes, it would be trespassing, and putting yourself in danger. If they have already hit their head, then they have done the damage, if they are fitting, unless you have an anticonvulsant in your bag, you are not going to get them out of it. If you want to be useful, use the time you are walking across the approved crossing to ring a grown-up on 999.

 

[tony_mac]

see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necessity_in_English_law

 

[HYPODERMIC]

FIRST rule of First Aid: DO NOT PUT YOURSELF IN DANGER!

Otherwise the second person to arrive on the scene has to decide which of the two casualties is a priority. They might decide it is not you.

Hmm. Context is everything. I'm afraid this is one rule I would break if I had a clear line of sight up and down all relevant lines and a good probability of being able to retrieve the person from the track before any train arrives. I couldn't stand by and watch a person lie there for minutes needlessly.

 

[142094]

Only trained personnel should go on the track - you could never be sure that a train isn't coming from either direction, and also it would be especially unwise in 3rd rail land. Also, what could happen is that the person is alright, but you put yourself in danger and something worse could happen to you.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

If you seen a passenger on the opposite platform collapsing and banging their hit on the ground as they land, then further to that, take a siezure on the platform, would it be classed as tresspassing if you jumped across the track to get to their aid when there was no trains coming either way, however there was a train at a halt in the platform but going no where?

Then you are a rubbish first aider.

Look up what the D stands for in DRABC. If you can't get past a letter then you can't. End of.

An injured first aider is a useless first aider. A first aider on the other platform however still has uses.

Let the emergency services deal with the danger aspect. They're trained to do that, and that's what their job is. (Note; even Ambo staff will refuse to go on a live railway without assurances from NR that current is discharged and the lines are blocked to traffic).

 

[Urban Gateline]

Hmm. Context is everything. I'm afraid this is one rule I would break if I had a clear line of sight up and down all relevant lines and a good probability of being able to retrieve the person from the track before any train arrives. I couldn't stand by and watch a person lie there for minutes needlessly.

I don't think the Original post mentioned the injured person falling on the tracks!

 

[Flamingo]

Hmm. Context is everything. I'm afraid this is one rule I would break if I had a clear line of sight up and down all relevant lines and a good probability of being able to retrieve the person from the track before any train arrives. I couldn't stand by and watch a person lie there for minutes needlessly.

The OP never said the person was on the track. They were on the opposite platform. Although Rule Number One would still apply if they were on the track, except even more so!

 

[wensley]

Then you are a rubbish first aider.

Look up what the D stands for in DRABC. If you can't get past a letter then you can't. End of.

An injured first aider is a useless first aider. A first aider on the other platform however still has uses.

Let the emergency services deal with the danger aspect. They're trained to do that, and that's what their job is. (Note; even Ambo staff will refuse to go on a live railway without assurances from NR that current is discharged and the lines are blocked to traffic).

D is for Danger
Kinda key...and I would say a 'live' running line has plenty of that to go round...

 

[I T S]

Thanks Molesey boy...Could you point out where I said I run to the other person? I didn't say I run at anytime yet you have stated that I did.

You never run to a casualty, you walk to them, assessing the situation as you approach, and exuding an air of calm authority.

I wouldn't like to see you working for any emergency service team in that case..... Be waiting all day while you would "walk" to the casualty.

Further to that, All signals at red, and crossing light at end of platform (30 yards away) showing green to cross.....

 

[Flamingo]

see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necessity_in_English_law

That only applies if you are planning to eat them

 

[Urban Gateline]

Thanks Molesey boy...Could you point out where I said I run to the other person? I didn't say I run at anytime yet you have stated that I did.

Erm...NO, I didn't say you run, that was another poster.

 

[I T S]

M boy - Thats what I meant! It wasnt directed at u

 

[ralphchadkirk]

I wouldn't like to see you working for any emergency service team in that case..... Be waiting all day while you would "walk" to the casualty.

If you sprint to a casualty you will arrive out of breath, confused and disorientated. If you walk briskly (or jog), you will have a chance to assess access routes, the situation and any dangers that may present.

Further to that, All signals at red, and crossing light at end of platform (30 yards away) showing green to cross.....

Then use the crossing - no need to jump on the track!

 

[I T S]

Further to that, and I wanted to keep this off board but , a senior offical of the TOC was in attendance and did not come near the situation at any time.... Uk Rail business of the year they call themselves!

 

[142094]

Further to that, All signals at red, and crossing light at end of platform (30 yards away) showing green to cross.....

Is this a hypothetical situation or has this happened somewhere?

 

[I T S]

This happened the weekend past. Non Electrified Railway just to clarify

The member of the public was a friend of mine

 

[hairyhandedfool]

If you seen a passenger on the opposite platform collapsing and banging their hit on the ground as they land, then further to that, take a siezure on the platform, would it be classed as tresspassing if you jumped across the track to get to their aid when there was no trains coming either way, however there was a train at a halt in the platform but going no where?

I'm pretty sure it would still be trespassing, but even if it weren't, having walked on laid ballast, it is not something I would advise in a hurry, there is no telling exactly how safe it is.

If there is a train in the platform you are on and you don't have a working phone on you, get a member of staff (or a member of the public failing that) to call for an ambulance. After that, primary concern (as far as I, a non-first aider, know) is making sure no-one comes to any further harm, that includes yourself!

 

[I T S]

I've never seen such a bunch of heartless people with lack of caring in my entire life! end of rant and thread!

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Oh dear...

 

[O L Leigh]

Why? Because you didn't like the answers you were getting? Perhaps you shouldn't have posed the question in the first place.

O L Leigh

 

[HYPODERMIC]

The OP never said the person was on the track. They were on the opposite platform. Although Rule Number One would still apply if they were on the track, except even more so!

Whoops, you're right. That's what two hours of sleep does to you!

 

[Flamingo]

And as the teddy-bear hits the floor...

 

[I T S]

It's like a rule book online here... what happened to common sense and human decency?

 

[Flamingo]

It's like a rule book online here... what happened to common sense and human decency?

They are there, the rule-book is there to ensure that they are applied safely.

 

[O L Leigh]

I'm sorry your mate suffered a medical emergency, but the other posters are right. By all means rush to provide aid, but you must always ensure your own safety as well as the safety of others. That is commonsense.

Besides, in the event of a seizure there is actually very little a first aider could do anyway except try to make sure the casualty doesn't come to any greater harm until paramedics arrive.

O L Leigh

 

[ralphchadkirk]

It's like a rule book online here... what happened to common sense and human decency?

Common sense is for the aid-provider not to become a casualty. Hence why you don't put yourself in danger.


Have you done a first aid course?

 

[142094]

common sense

I'm afraid that this is common-sense. The public often do not know or understand the dangers of a working railway, which is obvious by the number of incidents that happen every year.

The only people who should be going onto the track are those who have PTS training and equivalent. End of. No-one is going to suggest that people start going across tracks in situations such as this as no doubt someone will read it, think it is OK to do so and then will get caught out.

 

[Maxfly]

It's like a rule book online here... what happened to common sense and human decency?

Unfortunately you will find a great amount of the rules in the rulebook were created because of accidents and mishaps, e.g.someone decides to nip acros running lines to help someone with their first aid skills and promptly gets melted by a passing train, this of course means the person he/she was going to help wont get any for even longer now and of course their condition could well worsen and when someone else who doesnt plan on getting skelped by the nearest passing train arrives they have double to casualties to help.

All the more pointless when a crossing could be used a short distance away tbh. Common sense applies in that to help you must be in a condition to help, sprained ankle from crossing over ballast may well hinder the first aiders activites.