jonathan01n
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I travel to different station and I noticed the penalty written on the signs are different. Some are 1000 pounds and some are 2000, which one is the correct amount I wonder ?:roll:
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Unless I'm mistaken, there's a sign at Arlesey station which says the trespass penalty is a mere £200 (it's at the north end of the original car park on the London-bound side of the station).
It's weird how the penalty varies so much across different parts of the network. But if I were to guess, I imagine it's down to the age of the sign as to why it may show a different value. The value of the penalty has most likely increased over the years, but some signs haven't been changed to reflect the increase.
It's weird how the penalty varies so much across different parts of the network. But if I were to guess, I imagine it's down to the age of the sign as to why it may show a different value. The value of the penalty has most likely increased over the years, but some signs haven't been changed to reflect the increase.
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I just dont think they get updated enough, when we had the old foot crossing at Port Talbot the platform sign side £1000 and the sign just five yards away on the railway line side said £200.
Start here with some history... and remember this was 4 years ago, so things may have moved on.
http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=93329
Posts 2 and 3 make an obvious point - in fact I wonder if there might be one saying Forty Shillings somewhere...
http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=93329
Posts 2 and 3 make an obvious point - in fact I wonder if there might be one saying Forty Shillings somewhere...
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The fine applicable to the trespass offence connected the presence of those signs is Level 3 on the standard scale for fines, which is currently £1000. Older signs show the value as £200, which was the value attached to a Level 3 fine prior 01/10/1992.
robertclark125
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Up until 1994 there was such a sign on the London Underground, if you knew where to look! That was the level crossing at North Weald.
Bletchleyite
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Death. Without trial.
philthetube
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Can the railway pursue costs caused by trespassers, delay repay , overtime etc.
If they can do they ever?
If they can do they ever?
I bought a replica sign and from memory, I'm fairly certain that said 40 shillings.
jonathan01n
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Japanese railway companies fine families for suicides.
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Been discussed in another thread but I am 100% in favour of this
I grew up near a large square of grass with a sign in the middle saying "No ball games". Kids played games there all the time. Nearby there was an alleyway of about 200 yards. Every lamp post had a sign saying "no dog fouling, penalty £5. These were later updated to £20. The stuff was everywhere.
So kids learnt the lesson that these signs have no credibility.
Now it may well be that there is a greater degree of enforcement on the railways, but in the eyes of potential trespassers I doubt whether they think there is much chance of having to paying a fine/penalty.
So kids learnt the lesson that these signs have no credibility.
Now it may well be that there is a greater degree of enforcement on the railways, but in the eyes of potential trespassers I doubt whether they think there is much chance of having to paying a fine/penalty.
Back in the real world, trespassing is seldom even noticed, let alone resulting in prosecution.
"High profile" trespass such as for photographing steam specials, can and does result in prosecution, but most cases are not even noticed.
Near where I used to live in London it was commonplace.
"High profile" trespass such as for photographing steam specials, can and does result in prosecution, but most cases are not even noticed.
Near where I used to live in London it was commonplace.
That's disgusting.
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One thing which is known is that if you give someone something to think about they are more likely not to commit suicide, this can be something as small as a line saying do not pass this point, notices about samaritans or virtually anything.
If a potential suicide knows that they will affect their family adversely by jumping under a train they are less likely to do it and if you take an immediate and available option away, possible giving them chance to change their mind.
My reasons for feeling that the deceased estate should be penalised are not to penalise the family of the deceased but to reduce suicides on the railways with all the affects that has on staff etc.
If a potential suicide knows that they will affect their family adversely by jumping under a train they are less likely to do it and if you take an immediate and available option away, possible giving them chance to change their mind.
My reasons for feeling that the deceased estate should be penalised are not to penalise the family of the deceased but to reduce suicides on the railways with all the affects that has on staff etc.
It's commonplace in Scotland. Noticed too.
Yesterday I visited the diesel gala on the West Somerset Railway, this included a DMU shuttle between Bishops Lydeard and the network rail boundary, a section of line that sees little use.
A couple were walking a dog on the track, apparently oblivious to the approaching train.
The driver sounded the horn and they moved aside.
Despite the low speed it could have ended badly.
A couple were walking a dog on the track, apparently oblivious to the approaching train.
The driver sounded the horn and they moved aside.
Despite the low speed it could have ended badly.
I dont know about the railways but in the real world trespass is a tort law basically its not a criminal offence. Years ago a bloke got into buckingham palace and sat on the queens bed and they couldn't prosecute him so it had to be updated I think if i am correct it only really counts for royal property, ministry of defence and one or two others.
Railway trespass is different to civil trespass in that it is a criminal offence. This only relates to line side trespass and is enforceable under the s.55 of the British Transport Commission Act 1949.
crosscity
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In the 70s a GWR sign still existed by the level crossing at Exeter St David's threatening a 40 shilling fine and furthermore one month's imprisonment if you didn't pay it.
If trespassing on the railway don't kill you, you might just wish that it had.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/teenager-suffered-severe-burns-after-13158563
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/teenager-suffered-severe-burns-after-13158563
https://www.flickr.com/photos/30120216@N07/30814032515
This sign here at the entrance to Leicester station is probably one of the oldest still in situ - and still very much in use legally. It's not unusual to find the local British Transport Police officers taking photographs of it for use as evidence in prosecutions.
This sign here at the entrance to Leicester station is probably one of the oldest still in situ - and still very much in use legally. It's not unusual to find the local British Transport Police officers taking photographs of it for use as evidence in prosecutions.
Do they actually fine people - which would be punitive - or do they pass a claim for costs on to the deceased's estate? I would support the latter, but never the former.
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