Trespassers and Network Rail

[GearJammer]

Page 8 of the October edition of The Railway Magazine shows another case of abject stupidity and railway tresspass, apparently of parents lining their children up for a photoshoot on 60mph track, including one child in a pushchair.

Theres not much in life that surprises me these days.......... but that picture did, i was amazed at there stupidity, but looking at the pic (and like to see a blown up picture of it) it looked more like grand parents taking the pics of the kids, i'd love to know what their friends and family thought of that pic when they showed them.

 

[jimrbrobinson]

I have also been on the end of platform 9 at York when some people that were previously on the platform taking numbers suddenly appeared on the trackside in an orange jacket they got off ebay, taking photos of the DRS 57 in the siding.

There's a shop near my work that sells the both the orange and the yellow high-vis waistcoats for £2 each. I have an orange one myself as I find it seems to get noticed more than the yellow one when I'm out on the motorbike as the yellow ones are everywhere these days! Let's face it, the world and his wife seem to wear yellow high-s coats these days.:roll:

I would never dream of putting my orange one on to trespass on the railway though, but then again I was raised with a brain in my head and wouldn't trespass on the railway anyway!!! Years ago there was talk about segregating different styles of high-viz clothing, with certain colours and combinations being 'reserved' for certain emergency or authorised users, and making it an offence to wear that pattern without authority. At the time the talk mentioned plain yellow being the only one for 'general' use. Green/Yellow was suggested for authorised emergency medical services, Red/Yellow for fire and rescue, Blue/Yellow for police only and plain orange was suggested for 'authorised transportation officials on railways, airports, docks, etc. Shame that it seems as though nothing ever came of it.

 

[scotsman]

I carry a hi-vis with me only when I'm volunteering on a railway or I'm travelling a lot by car (higher odds of a breakdown)

 

[Clip]

There's a shop near my work that sells the both the orange and the yellow high-vis waistcoats for £2 each. I have an orange one myself as I find it seems to get noticed more than the yellow one when I'm out on the motorbike as the yellow ones are everywhere these days! Let's face it, the world and his wife seem to wear yellow high-s coats these days.:roll:

I would never dream of putting my orange one on to trespass on the railway though, but then again I was raised with a brain in my head and wouldn't trespass on the railway anyway!!! Years ago there was talk about segregating different styles of high-viz clothing, with certain colours and combinations being 'reserved' for certain emergency or authorised users, and making it an offence to wear that pattern without authority. At the time the talk mentioned plain yellow being the only one for 'general' use. Green/Yellow was suggested for authorised emergency medical services, Red/Yellow for fire and rescue, Blue/Yellow for police only and plain orange was suggested for 'authorised transportation officials on railways, airports, docks, etc. Shame that it seems as though nothing ever came of it.

Reminds me of a time at the cross - fella taking his son to the ends of the platform and then letting him walk down the ramp at the end all because he had a hi vis on with the old BR arrows written in pen.

Kid was ace but his dad did not understand that he was being a prick and his son should 'Have unrestricted access to the railway' as he was with an adult. I nearly went nuts

 

[Geezertronic]

I don't think magazines should publish photos if there is a suggestion of trespassing to get the shot, mind you they probably wouldn't publish many pics if they did that...

 

[Vulcan]

There was (and probably still is) a user on Youtube called 'Novawheels' posting high quality videos of trains. I noticed that a lot of the trains were whistling as they approached, and seemed very close to the camera, so I asked the guy if he was railway staff. The reply was almost comical 'No, but we wear high-vis and have permission'. who the hell has authority to give some guy of the street with a camera PERMISSION to be on the track?? (on the ECML in some videos). I brought up that he is breaking the law in a comment that he later deleted, and I flagged all his videos as dangerous behaviour for the Youtube mods to ignore.

Makes me sick.

 

[scotsman]

There was (and probably still is) a user on Youtube called 'Novawheels' posting high quality videos of trains. I noticed that a lot of the trains were whistling as they approached, and seemed very close to the camera, so I asked the guy if he was railway staff. The reply was almost comical 'No, but we wear high-vis and have permission'. who the hell has authority to give some guy of the street with a camera PERMISSION to be on the track?? (on the ECML in some videos). I brought up that he is breaking the law in a comment that he later deleted, and I flagged all his videos as dangerous behaviour for the Youtube mods to ignore.

Makes me sick.

"Permission" - Implies that there's nothing wrong with what he's doing
However, the fact that he doesn't say he has PTS but refers to having hi-vis suggests he shouldn't be there.

Also, I've seen his videos and they all seem to be from level crossings, or lineside from an adjacent field.

But, if you've got a problem - by all means report him to the BTP and see what they make of it.

 

[Vulcan]

"Permission" - Implies that there's nothing wrong with what he's doing
However, the fact that he doesn't say he has PTS but refers to having hi-vis suggests he shouldn't be there.

Also, I've seen his videos and they all seem to be from level crossings, or lineside from an adjacent field.

But, if you've got a problem - by all means report him to the BTP and see what they make of it.

No, the fact he deleted all my comments on the subject suggests he KNOWS that he's trespassing. And BTP have better things to be doing.

 

[scotsman]

No, the fact he deleted all my comments on the subject suggests he KNOWS that he's trespassing. And BTP have better things to be doing.

Perhaps, I sent some links of videos of people 'tagging' stock to the BTP and they appeared to appreciate it. Might be worth sending them anyway, I guy who pretends to know what he's doing is a danger to everyone.

 

[Vulcan]

Perhaps, I sent some links of videos of people 'tagging' stock to the BTP and they appeared to appreciate it. Might be worth sending them anyway, I guy who pretends to know what he's doing is a danger to everyone.

To put it another way, I have better things to be doing. I'd be happy to see these people get wiped out by the closest passing train, if it were not for the trauma for the driver and disruption to everyone else.

 

[142094]

Preventing trespassing is very important! The way things are going its only a matter of time before one of these idiots gets killed or seriously injured, just think of the problems that will cause for the majority of law abiding entusiasts. Not to mention the trauma to the driver of the train and anyone else involved.

I didn't say it wasn't. The main problems being that there are a finite number of BTP to go around, there are usually charters every weekend and most happen on Saturdays when football/rugby matches etc also take place. I'd rather have BTP looking after things like that and station staff looking for spotters who go past the warning signs, only for BTP to intervene if they don't move or become abusive. Plus on a trip hundreds of miles long you'll never be able to police even the most popular spotting places, so not really that much you can do.

 

[wensley]

I'll put my twopennorth in and I know people will disagree:

I couldn't care less if a trespasser gets wiped out by a train. I feel sorry for the driver and the emergency services dealing with the incident.


It's ILLEGAL and stupid.

Recently a lady has taken to walking off the platform at Northallerton and picking blackberries on the lineside (in daylight). Who is stupid enough to do that on a section of track with OHLE and a 125mph speed limit??

Station staff are aware and will deal with said woman should she re-appear she will be in deep trouble!!

 

[fsmr]

There's a shop near my work that sells the both the orange and the yellow high-vis waistcoats for £2 each. I have an orange one myself as I find it seems to get noticed more than the yellow one when I'm out on the motorbike as the yellow ones are everywhere these days! Let's face it, the world and his wife seem to wear yellow high-s coats these days.:roll:

I would never dream of putting my orange one on to trespass on the railway though, but then again I was raised with a brain in my head and wouldn't trespass on the railway anyway!!! Years ago there was talk about segregating different styles of high-viz clothing, with certain colours and combinations being 'reserved' for certain emergency or authorised users, and making it an offence to wear that pattern without authority. At the time the talk mentioned plain yellow being the only one for 'general' use. Green/Yellow was suggested for authorised emergency medical services, Red/Yellow for fire and rescue, Blue/Yellow for police only and plain orange was suggested for 'authorised transportation officials on railways, airports, docks, etc. Shame that it seems as though nothing ever came of it.

Unfortunately, a ban is now impossible. many industrial companies i work for use orange jackets and vests for certain trades on site such as yard banksmen or security. Other sites use orange vests to differentiate contractors from site staff, usefull to keep a track especially in emergencys.

We use blue vests at Stapleford for all platform and guarding staff with FSMR staff embalzoned on the back to allow public to be clear about who to approach. Drivers are discouraged from driving the locos with hi viz jackets during public running to preserve photograpic shots by the public. any PWay work though still requires their use.

 

[scotsman]

We use blue vests at Stapleford for all platform and guarding staff with FSMR staff embalzoned on the back to allow public to be clear about who to approach. Drivers are discouraged from driving the locos with hi viz jackets during public running to preserve photograpic shots by the public. any PWay work though still requires their use.

I won't name my railway, but we are instructed not to wear hi-vis unless lineside or in any other dangerous place. A Guard recently got a telling off (well, a bit stronger that) from the General Manager for wearing a hi-vis on a platform after coming off the track.

 

[jimrbrobinson]

Like I said, that was the talk at the time, which was about twelve or thirteen years ago, and at the time the call was being led in response to increasing numbers of people using 'uniform' coats to try to unlawfully gain access (bogus police, bogus ambulance, etc.) to both homes and events. It was discussed but nothing was ever done. Of course, high vis in general use wasn't anywhere as commonplace back then, and most of what was on-sale was plain yellow.

 

[Chapeltom]

I wouldn't trespass even in a deserted station. The speed trains come through can mean a train 200 yards away can dissappear in 5 seconds and be round the corner.

Anyone trespassing is stupid and an idiot.

 

[Clip]

I wouldn't trespass even in a deserted station. The speed trains come through can mean a train 200 yards away can dissappear in 5 seconds and be round the corner.

Anyone trespassing is stupid and an idiot.

I think everyone on here would agree with you .. trouble is is that people have become more stupid as time has gone by..