Train hits platform buffers at Chester

[northwichcat]

Hope no one hurt - looks possible and that the driver is OK.

One passenger in their 60s was been taken to hospital with back injuries. All other passengers and the crew are OK.
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Smart operating if you ask me (except for Chester passengers!).

The passengers who were waiting for the return working of the crashed Voyager at Chester could have caught the next ATW service to Crewe and picked up the Manchester-Crewe-London Pendolino. As the latter is non-stop between Crewe and London it means the total journey time is pretty much the same as on the direct Chester-London train even with the connection.

 

[Lockwood]

Where is the fun in that?

In any case, no speculation is needed about what happened. What happened is that the train did not stop where it should have. Now what led to that is another matter ...

So, it was the fault of the platform builder for putting a platform there!
It was the fault of the track layer to put the buffers there and not a bigger gap between them and the platform area, increasing the stopping gap.
It was the fault of passengers not wanting to walk further to the train than caused the above gap to not be made!

Of course, we can all agree that nothing like this would have happened under BR, and it is the fault of privatisation and staff cut-backs.



Think that's covered flippancy, blaming passengers and Crowbar Bob... Can't see how to put Northern or Pacers into it. Anything I've missed?

 

[YorkshireBear]

So, it was the fault of the platform builder for putting a platform there!
It was the fault of the track layer to put the buffers there and not a bigger gap between them and the platform area, increasing the stopping gap.
It was the fault of passengers not wanting to walk further to the train than caused the above gap to not be made!

Of course, we can all agree that nothing like this would have happened under BR, and it is the fault of privatisation and staff cut-backs.



Think that's covered flippancy, blaming passengers and Crowbar Bob... Can't see how to put Northern or Pacers into it. Anything I've missed?

You have yet to mention that they did it all for profit so they can take trains out of service and not bother.

 

[Zoidberg]

You have yet to mention that they did it all for profit so they can take trains out of service and not bother.

Or that the Earth momentarily stopped rotating meaning that, effectively, the buffers moved towards the train (hopes that the direction of Earth rotation and alignment of platform supports this).

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Think that's covered flippancy, blaming passengers and Crowbar Bob... Can't see how to put Northern or Pacers into it. Anything I've missed?

Come on, young person. Anyone worth his salt on RailUK could do all these tasks..How about referring to the Pacers as the "ex-Mersey-land" Class 142 ones..

Still, I will give you 9 out of 10 for your efforts...

 

[northwichcat]

Come on, young person. Anyone worth his salt on RailUK could do all these tasks..How about referring to the Pacers as the "ex-Mersey-land" Class 142 ones..

Maybe the driver saw the 12:02 Chester-Manchester service just outside Chester and got distracted because he saw a bus on the rail line?

 

[Trainfan344]

Just noticed this as well, oh dear oh dear.

 

[455driver]

One passenger in their 60s was been taken to hospital with back injuries. All other passengers are OK until such time as somebody mentions compensation at which point 90% will be suffering from whiplash.

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[Zoidberg]

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Oh you cynic.

Interesting, though, on the #chester Twitter feed I saw two solicitor companies tweet.

One was sympathetic saying "Heard about train crash at #Chester station ... Hope everyone is ok&nobody is hurt!", but getting their name in there.

The other seemed to me to be blatantly seeking clients from the event as evidenced by their Twitter name - Whats My Claim Worth@valuemyclaim .

 

[DXMachina]

While not wishing to imply fault of any person, this accident has coincided with a noticeable cold spell coming in from the north. I'm near London and it hasnt gone above 3C all day, presumably Chester was colder yet.

I wonder if the rails had a glaze of ice on them. Would something as heavy as a voyager slip/slide on iced rails or do its advanced brake systems compensate for that?

 

[northwichcat]

I wonder if the rails had a glaze of ice on them. Would something as heavy as a voyager slip/slide on iced rails or do its advanced brake systems compensate for that?

There was very heavy rain in Cheshire this morning. The air temperature hasn't been near freezing since (it peaked at 8oC and is now 6oC) but maybe the ground temperature has been?

 

[455driver]

I wonder if the rails had a glaze of ice on them. Would something as heavy as a voyager slip/slide on iced rails or do its advanced brake systems compensate for that?

if there is no grip between the wheel and rail no WSP system in the world will stop the train, its simple physics!

 

[thelongestroad]

Thank god someone changed the title... the previous "platform interface crash" sounded like a load of naff management speak!

 

[Zoidberg]

Thank god someone changed the title... the previous "platform interface crash" sounded like a load of naff management speak!

What? NMS, you mean?

 

[All Line Rover]

Isn't the 10:10 a double voyager? I was on the Crewe 07:56 to Euston 09:41 (a double voyager), which I believe forms the 10:10 back to Chester.

 

[Zoidberg]

Isn't the 10:10 a double voyager? I was on the Crewe 07:56 to Euston 09:41 (a double voyager), which I believe forms the 10:10 back to Chester.

Well, if it was, it is now one with a bit missing.

 

[All Line Rover]

I am impressed by how quickly the incident was dealt with and services returned to normal. The 13:35 to Euston was only 11 minutes late.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Isn't the 10:10 a double voyager? I was on the Crewe 07:56 to Euston 09:41 (a double voyager), which I believe forms the 10:10 back to Chester.

No.
P1 is only big enough for a single unit.
Double units usually use P3.

 

[All Line Rover]

No.
P1 is only big enough for a single unit.
Double units usually use P3.

I assume they detach the units at Euston, then. I thought the platform looked rather small for a 10 car train.

 

[voyagerdude220]

Isn't the 10:10 a double voyager? I was on the Crewe 07:56 to Euston 09:41 (a double voyager), which I believe forms the 10:10 back to Chester.

I don't know the diagram details, but I know the two sets forming the 07:56 Crewe to Euston (ex Wrexham and Holyhead), split upon arrival into Euston. The Chester end unit forms the 10:10 Euston to Chester, the buffer end (no pun intended) unit later forms the 11:10 Euston to Chester.

The set which arrives Euston at 10:38 forms 5A13 to Euston Up Carriage Shed, but I don't know what it later works.

 

[140001-DMU]

I wasnt expecting to see something as bad as that

Neither was I.

 

[table38]

http://metro.co.uk/2013/11/20/virgin-train-derails-and-crashes-into-buffers-at-chester-station-4194828/

The 10.10am service from London Euston completely failed to stop

and is presumably now in Holyhead

 

[Signal Head]

I assume they detach the units at Euston, then. I thought the platform looked rather small for a 10 car train.

And this is *not* a valid way of trying to extend it!

 

[Zoidberg]

The 10.10am service from London Euston completely failed to stop

http://metro.co.uk/2013/11/20/virgin-train-derails-and-crashes-into-buffers-at-chester-station-4194828/


and is presumably now in Holyhead

How could something incompletely fail to stop? Something either stops when it should or doesn't. Weird reporting.

 

[DXMachina]

How could something incompletely fail to stop? Something either stops when it should or doesn't. Weird reporting.

If they said it certainly failed to stop in time, would you ask how it could otherwise uncertainly fail to stop in time?. The operative word is failed.

 

[TOCDriver]

I suspect the VT simulator is going to be busy these next few weeks

 

[northwichcat]

and is presumably now in Holyhead

If it just carried straight on it would actually finish up on the Wirral line opposed to the North Wales line. For North Wales the train needs to make a deviation to the left after leaving Chester.

 

[YorkshireBear]

If it just carried straight on it would actually finish up on the Wirral line opposed to the North Wales line. For North Wales the train needs to make a deviation to the left after leaving Chester.

Well that completely ruins his entire joke!!!!

What was he thinking.

 

[Zoidberg]

If they said it certainly failed to stop in time, would you ask how it could otherwise uncertainly fail to stop in time?. The operative word is failed.

And the qualifications in the earlier post were "completely" and "incompletely" in relation to stopping, a totally different scenario to the qualifications you now introduce.

'Certainly failed to stop in time' is clear in its meaning.

Next, please.

 

[Tracky]

The train failed to stop itself.

The concrete block (behind the buffer stop) stopped the train.