TIR For incorrect date on ticket.

[M477]

Hi,

I would like some advise please, my son (16) bought a ticket on the app to go from Ormskirk to Preston, to go and stay with his grandmother for a couple of days, as his grandfather passed at the weekend. Unfortunately the wrong date was entered when purchasing the ticket, instead of todays date, tomorrows date was entered so a TIR has been issued.

The TIR which has been issued has the wrong name on and the wrong date of birth.

Please advise the best course of action?

 

[John R]

Hi,

I would like some advise please, my son (16) bought a ticket on the app to go from Ormskirk to Preston, to go and stay with his grandmother for a couple of days, as his grandfather passed at the weekend. Unfortunately the wrong date was entered when purchasing the ticket, instead of todays date, tomorrows date was entered so a TIR has been issued.

The TIR which has been issued has the wrong name on and the wrong date of birth.

Please advise the best course of action?

Did your son explain why it has the wrong name and date of birth? And what address does it have on it?

If it was bought on an app then even with wrong personal details it will be possible for the train company to contact him, so the advice would be to wait until contacted and then write a letter of apology and ask if the railway would consider an out of court settlement instead of a prosecution. Given his age, they would be highly unlikely to decline the request.

 

[M477]

Sorry, his ticket he purchased has all the correct information except the date was wrong. The Travel Incident Report which has been issued to him has the wrong name and date of birth on.

 

[skyhigh]

The Travel Incident Report which has been issued to him has the wrong name and date of birth on.

How wrong is it? A slight misspelling or a completely different name and date?

 

[ikcdab]

Ok so your son gave a false name and date of birth?

 

[John R]

But why does it have the wrong details? Did he give false information (not an unknown thing to happen)?

 

[Bletchleyite]

Most likely a settlement of £100ish plus the fare. Sadly the fare already paid will not be considered.

It is a bit too easy to do this on the apps - I've done it (even got through a gateline with it because neither me nor the member of staff could work out what was wrong, because it was done in total innocence), but fortunately I noticed and purchased one for the correct day before I got to any other check. The issue is that it remembers the date if you change it, it could do with not doing and reverting to "today, now" each time you open the app. I think all of them are the same, certainly all the Trainline derived ones (of which Northern is one).

 

[M477]

How wrong is it? A slight misspelling or a completely different name and date?

Says John instead of Jacob surname correct and the date of birth has the wrong year.

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Most likely a settlement of £100ish plus the fare. Sadly the fare already paid will not be considered.

It is a bit too easy to do this on the apps - I've done it (even got through a gateline with it because neither me nor the member of staff could work out what was wrong, because it was done in total innocence), but fortunately I noticed and purchased one for the correct day before I got to any other check. The issue is that it remembers the date if you change it, it could do with not doing and reverting to "today, now" each time you open the app. I think all of them are the same, certainly all the Trainline derived ones (of which Northern is one).

Northern Railway. But they've issued the Ticket with the wrong name!

 

[Fawkes Cat]

Says John instead of Jacob surname correct and the date of birth has the wrong year.

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Northern Railway. But they've issued the Ticket with the wrong name!

A wrong day (or date of birth) won't stop anything going ahead. There's a couple of reasons for this:

- the practical one: if all you had to do to stop legal action was have the wrong name/date of birth, then no one would ever give the right details - everyone would say that they're called Mickey Mouse and that they were born on Christmas Day. To give the law (all law) a chance of working, it needs to be flexible around this
- the principled one: my understanding is that in British law there's nothing special about your name - it's just a convenient way of identifying someone and quicker than giving a full description of what they look like / what they were doing at a given time / any other way of uniquely (or near-uniquely) describing them. So unless there's another John M477 born on the same date as your son but in the noted different year, the error in this case is unlikely to cause any difficulty.

In all the circumstances (that your son is a minor, that your family are no doubt distressed following the loss of a grandfather) it's likely that the railway will look to settle this matter out of court, and quite possibly with a warning not to do it again rather than with a penalty. But you and your son need to bear in mind that by the letter of the law he has committed an offence by travelling without a valid ticket. So a practical approach is not to look for loopholes to wriggle out of responsibility, but to fully co-operate with the railway and make the circumstances clear - and hope that the railway will show some good sense and work with you and your son to resolve this matter as painlessly as possible.

 

[ikcdab]

A wrong day (or date of birth) won't stop anything going ahead. There's a couple of reasons for this:

- the practical one: if all you had to do to stop legal action was have the wrong name/date of birth, then no one would ever give the right details - everyone would say that they're called Mickey Mouse and that they were born on Christmas Day. To give the law (all law) a chance of working, it needs to be flexible around this
- the principled one: my understanding is that in British law there's nothing special about your name - it's just a convenient way of identifying someone and quicker than giving a full description of what they look like / what they were doing at a given time / any other way of uniquely (or near-uniquely) describing them. So unless there's another John M477 born on the same date as your son but in the noted different year, the error in this case is unlikely to cause any difficulty.

In all the circumstances (that your son is a minor, that your family are no doubt distressed following the loss of a grandfather) it's likely that the railway will look to settle this matter out of court, and quite possibly with a warning not to do it again rather than with a penalty. But you and your son need to bear in mind that by the letter of the law he has committed an offence by travelling without a valid ticket. So a practical approach is not to look for loopholes to wriggle out of responsibility, but to fully co-operate with the railway and make the circumstances clear - and hope that the railway will show some good sense and work with you and your son to resolve this matter as painlessly as possible.

And just to add that it is also an offence to give an incorrect name - so there are two offences committed. The best thing as noted above is to cooperate and pay the penalty due.

 

[M477]

A wrong day (or date of birth) won't stop anything going ahead. There's a couple of reasons for this:

- the practical one: if all you had to do to stop legal action was have the wrong name/date of birth, then no one would ever give the right details - everyone would say that they're called Mickey Mouse and that they were born on Christmas Day. To give the law (all law) a chance of working, it needs to be flexible around this
- the principled one: my understanding is that in British law there's nothing special about your name - it's just a convenient way of identifying someone and quicker than giving a full description of what they look like / what they were doing at a given time / any other way of uniquely (or near-uniquely) describing them. So unless there's another John M477 born on the same date as your son but in the noted different year, the error in this case is unlikely to cause any difficulty.

In all the circumstances (that your son is a minor, that your family are no doubt distressed following the loss of a grandfather) it's likely that the railway will look to settle this matter out of court, and quite possibly with a warning not to do it again rather than with a penalty. But you and your son need to bear in mind that by the letter of the law he has committed an offence by travelling without a valid ticket. So a practical approach is not to look for loopholes to wriggle out of responsibility, but to fully co-operate with the railway and make the circumstances clear - and hope that the railway will show some good sense and work with you and your son to resolve this matter as painlessly as possible.

Thanks for the reply. I don't why or if he did give the wrong name, its out of character for him to lie like that. Hopefully the company will be reasonable.

 

[Fawkes Cat]

Thanks for the reply. I don't why or if he did give the wrong name, its out of character for him to lie like that. Hopefully the company will be reasonable.

Really sorry if I suggested your son lied: while the practical upshot is the same (i.e. the case carries on) it's entirely possible that the inspector misheard or mistyped what your son said.