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Thoughts on the Trump presidency
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Killingworth
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'Beware of an old man in a hurry'
Trump is convinced he's already the greatest President of all time but after being deprived of his second consecutive term his ego demands notable achievements to prove it to future generations.
The history books may mark his peace making efforts. They may even be successful, although all 8 of the wars he suggests he's stopped could flare up again, maybe before he's left office. But he was involved.
Adding 22% extra land area to the US with Greenland would make a massive difference to the Mercator projection world map - the 'Trump purchase'. For defence he could have access now for virtually nothing. Greenlanders would be happy to licence mineral and oil extraction - subject to their environmental conditions. Enforcing those conditions could be difficult. But licencing extraction and authorising bases wouldn't add 22% to the land area wouldn't be added. To add that territory in the 250th anniversary year would really swell his head - so he mustn't.
If he got Greenland he's already suggested he wants Canada too. We know he can't stand Carney, not least because he talks logical sense which Donald can't understand. We may have worse to come!
Trump is convinced he's already the greatest President of all time but after being deprived of his second consecutive term his ego demands notable achievements to prove it to future generations.
The history books may mark his peace making efforts. They may even be successful, although all 8 of the wars he suggests he's stopped could flare up again, maybe before he's left office. But he was involved.
Adding 22% extra land area to the US with Greenland would make a massive difference to the Mercator projection world map - the 'Trump purchase'. For defence he could have access now for virtually nothing. Greenlanders would be happy to licence mineral and oil extraction - subject to their environmental conditions. Enforcing those conditions could be difficult. But licencing extraction and authorising bases wouldn't add 22% to the land area wouldn't be added. To add that territory in the 250th anniversary year would really swell his head - so he mustn't.
If he got Greenland he's already suggested he wants Canada too. We know he can't stand Carney, not least because he talks logical sense which Donald can't understand. We may have worse to come!
GusB
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I wonder how many of those people heeded Trump's message that "help was on the way".
martin butler
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As regards trumps insult to the other Nato countries that lost people who fought alongside the US, I'm angered, but not surprised, the rest of NATO stood up to him, and he said it out of spite, this is who he is, an out-of-control toddler, and those around him are just as bad,
I think the time has come now to seriously reconsider our relations with the trump government, first step should be each US ambassador being summoned into the foreign office of each NATO country and given a dressing down, told in blunt terms, that this is an insult and there will be further action coming,
Secondly, we cancel involvement with US on world cup, and other things like trade meetings, any Nato exercises planned the US will not be invited, and visits by heads of state to the US all be canceled,
I think the time has come now to seriously reconsider our relations with the trump government, first step should be each US ambassador being summoned into the foreign office of each NATO country and given a dressing down, told in blunt terms, that this is an insult and there will be further action coming,
Secondly, we cancel involvement with US on world cup, and other things like trade meetings, any Nato exercises planned the US will not be invited, and visits by heads of state to the US all be canceled,
I’ve not really been following it, but is he sending anything in that direction? Aircraft carriers etc?
Yes https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...us-armada-heading-middle-east-iran-death-toll
What they would attack to help the protestors is another question.
Ah ok. Thanks for that.
Annetts key
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The U.S. is now responding. Previously, there was no carrier battle group anywhere near the area. It being more important to Trump to have a carrier group near Venezuela...
Of the carriers that are operational and not in port (for scheduled maintenance):
- USS Abraham Lincoln - on route to the Middle East, previously it had been operating in the South China Sea.
- USS George H.W. Bush - Currently in the Western Atlantic. Unknown where she will be deployed.
- USS Gerald R. Ford - In the Caribbean. Has been involved with the Venezuelan operations.
- USS Theodore Roosevelt - In the Eastern Pacific
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I don't think this is the video that is being referred to, but this video does have a discussion on Trumps health.
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GusB
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Another ICE shooting in Minnesota.
www.theguardian.com
Minneapolis shooting live: man shot by federal officers in Minneapolis has died – reports
Shooting comes less than three weeks after Renee Good was shot and killed by an ICE officer in the city
www.theguardian.com
The above video shows the shooting (7 shots?) and it looks very much like an execution. [Warning; it's quite graphic]
It's alleged the victim had a gun. As you'll see in the video, there's a star witness who I hope wasn't intercepted to have her phone taken away (or indeed herself taken away).
Update: On Reddit (use caution as it's speculation) there is someone saying she was detained along with other witnesses nearby. Also, the victim was apparently wearing mittens so likely didn't pull a gun - but perhaps was just carrying one (and in the USA, that's a thing, right? As in there's some sort of amendment they keep mentioning from time to time?).
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GusB
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That's utterly shocking. It's cold blooded murder, nothing else.
Gloster
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No doubt Bullshot Barbie will soon be telling us that he was a violent terrorist set on destroying apple pie. And once she has said it, all the other Trump acolytes and Fox News will agree because, well, if Trump’s mouthpiece says it is so, then it must be so.
Quotes from Minneapolis Police Chief (from Guardian coverage)
Witnesses contradict Trump officials’ account of killing – as it happened
This blog is now closed
www.theguardian.com
That they were presumably legally allowed to carry (Second Amendment).
It was holstered and was removed by another agent several seconds before one started emptying his magazine into the victim.
OK, this is nothing like the scale of the Iranian regime's murders, but the scale is the only difference.
Purple Train
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Agreed. I don't like throwing around the word "murder" without a person being convicted of it, but this looks almost beyond that. Obviously we are not in the possession of all the facts, but there are certainly terms stronger than "murder" which I would be tempted to apply.
Hopefully this will be a further tipping point - but the fact that it is costing (in my opinion) blameless lives should hopefully put to bed any notion that the US is a country which is anything but broken and dysfunctional.
Another angle showing what happened before.
bsky.app
Plus this; footage from the lady in pink that you could see in the video I posted earlier.
[EXTREME WARNING: This is a totally unedited video of the shooting]
Allison Gill (@muellershewrote.com)
ANOTHER ANGLE. This man was NOT brandishing a firearm. He was holding his phone. He then put his body between ICE thugs and woman. He was then sprayed with a chemical agent, tackled, disarmed, and executed. Plain as day. DO NOT let them tell you otherwise. [contains quote post or other embedded...
bsky.app
Plus this; footage from the lady in pink that you could see in the video I posted earlier.
[EXTREME WARNING: This is a totally unedited video of the shooting]
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I'll jump in here and say what others aren't saying, it was a public execution. There's no other way to say it.
You can see in that video that the victim first tries to help a fellow protestor who ICE had pushed to the ground, and as he was doing do the same agent proceeds to spray him with some chemicals, then other agents pile on, beat the crap out of him then fire multiple shots even as they backed away from what was no clearly a dead man. Ever since that human abomination Stephen Miller told ICE agents that they had full immunity, the clock was ticking on an event like this. And sure as the sun rises in the morning, another person has been killed by ICE. Make no mistake, this won't be the last time either, and I can sense from what people in that state and beyond are saying online that things are about to spiral out of control.
The only way to stop it will be to remove Trump and his megalomaniacs from office as soon as possible.
Purple Train
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That was the phrase I had in mind. I haven't watched the video because I can't deal with anything stronger than Disney's Robin Hood but you and others have provided harrowing enough descriptions that I get the gist!
Agreed. It's sickening. Meanwhile the architects of this destruction are busy convincing us that the UK is in crisis, on the brink of civil war, etc. etc. etc.
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It's what Trump 'needs'. Stephen Miller knew this and planned this, because more protestors will now come out. More will film ICE and keep an eye on them.
Then ICE will continue to say they're being obstructed and more people will be hurt, or killed.
Eventually the Government will invoke powers to remove people's freedoms to move around and try to set in motion the processes to delay or halt the mid-term elections.
I am not sure if protests will spread to other states, but I'm sure there are already plans to goad people in more states to ensure things get out of control.
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I am absolutely not saying anyone has to watch someone being shot multiple times, but I am glad I did because it is something people really do need to see. It's shockingly violent, but it's real life and people need to see what's going on.
X and Fox will likely not show the video, or show edited footage alongside the picture of the gun, and spin the narrative that he was trying to kill all the ICE agents, but these videos (and there may be more) expose the lies.
When the next incident occurs, I hope there will be people there to film it too. There will be a point where the people will hopefully rise up and even many Republicans realise enough is enough.
I think we should all wait and see what Joe Rogan says. With his massive audience, he has the power to change opinions and I think he's slowly waking up and realising what he's been partially responsible for. It's never too late to realise this.
Railwaycat
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Another angle showing what happened before.
Allison Gill (@muellershewrote.com)
ANOTHER ANGLE. This man was NOT brandishing a firearm. He was holding his phone. He then put his body between ICE thugs and woman. He was then sprayed with a chemical agent, tackled, disarmed, and executed. Plain as day. DO NOT let them tell you otherwise. [contains quote post or other embedded...
Plus this; footage from the lady in pink that you could see in the video I posted earlier.
[EXTREME WARNING: This is a totally unedited video of the shooting]
I just cant believe what I've just watched, that is one of the most upsetting things I've ever seen. Unbelievable.
Given that Trump fully intends to expand the areas ICE will operate in, I'm certain that in places like NYC & LA they are hoping for a violent reaction. And unfortunately they will probably get one.
It's nothing short of shocking watch the moment that man is put to death, and equally was the violence used prior to the agents opening fire. They were quite clearly motivated to get stuck into a fight, using their sheer weight of numbers to overpower the man. It's not fully clear what triggered the first agent to draw and fire his weapon, but at the time the man appeared to be in some serious distress having taken quite a beating. I have heard rumours that I can't confirm that after the killing, a number of agents were on his body seemingly frantically looking for his gun. I've also heard rumours that the woman that filmed the video from close range was also detained, although again I can't confirm that. Make of that what you will if any of it is true.
But either way, this was a dark and sinister event. ICE seem now to be moving to "untouchable" status, innocent US civilians simply trying to protest their actions are being killed in cold blood. And this is likely to head towards a violent response, and potentially see a huge escalation in trouble right across the US.
The only way that the states can fight this is by working together. If the Minnesota Governor uses the National Guard to eject ICE from the state then Trump invokes the Insurrection Act and send the army in. However if California, Oregon, Washington (state), Illinois etc. all do the same in unison then he can't send the army into all of them. The governors would need to trust that the Guardsmen are loyal to their state though, and wouldn't just take orders from Trump when he attempts to federalise them.
Gloster
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But in those days you had a sufficiently large amount of genuine news journalism that was read or watched by a large section of the public. Nowadays you have a massive amount of bias in much of the media, while many people only get their news from sources that feed them what they want to hear.
STINT47
Member
If this happens it could be classed as civil war.
brad465
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This is exactly what I was thinking, and at this point the tech bros, Wall Street and several other wealthy influential interests in the US would have to intervene and try to stop it, because a US Civil War II would make 1929 look like a bad trading day and a dollar collapse that makes Weimar Germany look like carnival confetti display.
At this point, one side has already declared war.
All Project 2025. The plan that was and is easily readable by all, but people were conned into thinking wasn't real because Trump said so.