Annetts key
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Even with everything that Russia is throwing at Ukraine, it's a small fraction of the damage that was caused by general bombing, carpet bombing and the V1 and V2 weapons during WWII. Did the U.K. give up then? No.I think that is worth doing, but if they can't stop the drones and glide bombs, let alone the ballistic and hypersonic missiles there won't be a Ukraine left to defend.
Besides which, Ukraine is working on developing jet powered interceptor drones to deal with the Russian jet engine drones. Yes, dealing with ballistic missiles is a lot harder, but Ukraine with European help is working on this as well.
Ukraine has not been able to use Starlink over Russian territory as the U.S. has never given permission for this. So all long range strikes into Russia use other methods of navigation and control.It did seem that after the massive and totally obvious drop in bot activity (yet for some reason the BBC went with the belief it wasn't real) Elon got extremely upset and it was the day after that Starlink suddenly stopped working in Ukraine.
I am not sure if Elon really had nothing to do with this (it could well be that Trump decided to do it) but given his angry posts, it certainly seems like he did - but now is perhaps backtracking and trying to throw Trump under the bus because it does look very bad for Elon and Starlink in general.
This in itself is going to be interesting, because I'm sure Trump needs Elon's help in the mid-terms - but Trump and the GOP in general must be somewhat upset to be blamed so openly.
I suspect Trump doesn't want any more data centres knocked out, so wants to limit Ukraine's ability to target them. In fact, I'm certain this is the primary (or only) reason.
We all saw with our own eyes how all the bots just disappeared as if by magic for 24 hours or so. It was blissful and also highlighted how the bot problem is even worse than many of us could have imagined.
Reform posted some outrageous things and they had no backup from the bots at all, meaning pretty much 100% of replies were attacks on Reform. I believe much the same can be said for things in the USA too.
Starlink is most useful to Ukraine in controlling drones (air types, ground types and sea types) hitting moving targets or targets that can change location within the occupied Ukrainian territory. Or for reconnaissance.
In terms of intelligence services, Ukraine does rely on U.S. intelligence to warn them of incoming cruise and ballistic missiles. Plus helping identify targets.
Ukraine will survive without these U.S. services but yes, they will suffer more deaths and it will extend the war by an unknown number of years.
European countries can help with some of these issues but cannot replace all of them. And Ukraine using other technologies (such as mesh networks) can help.
IMHO, Ukraine should continue targeting Russian factories used to produce weapons, components or chemicals used in weapon production, oil production facilities, refineries and data centres. And any other legitimate military targets.
And yes, the countries that support Ukraine need to step up and significantly increase support with more weapons as well as putting as much pressure as possible on Russia and Trump.
To put maximum pressure on Trump without him being able to single out individual countries, the countries that support Ukraine need to act as a group.