the most over the top restrictions introduced

[A Challenge]

I see they are now claiming that even a vaccine won’t be enough for things to return to normality

That's effectively saying never, then?

 

[Howardh]

I see they are now claiming that even a vaccine won’t be enough for things to return to normality

A vaccine never stopped the most vulnerable of dying from "normal" influenza, yet they still took it. So if any vaccine works, it won't ever be 100% (???)

 

[A Challenge]

A vaccine never stopped the most vulnerable of dying from "normal" influenza, yet they still took it. So if any vaccine works, it won't ever be 100% (???)

Most deaths from flu amongst vaccinated people will be because they have caught a strain of flu that was not protected against by the vaccine.

 

[DB]

A vaccine never stopped the most vulnerable of dying from "normal" influenza, yet they still took it. So if any vaccine works, it won't ever be 100% (???)

We know that, but I do get the impression that some of the more terrified out there really do think that once a vaccine appears (they assume that this will definitely happen), the virus will be completely eradicated very soon afterwards.

 

[adc82140]

First contact with my GP surgery today since this all kicked off. I've booked for a flu jab as I had an invitation letter for a free one. The whole surgery is being run from a tent in the car park. I asked how long for, and they said indefinitely, including throughout the winter. This is unacceptable. We are not a third world country, we do not do healthcare in tents. Perhaps we should go the whole hog and have UNHCR printed on the side, and supply the staff with those blue helmets.

 

[DB]

First contact with my GP surgery today since this all kicked off. I've booked for a flu jab as I had an invitation letter for a free one. The whole surgery is being run from a tent in the car park. I asked how long for, and they said indefinitely, including throughout the winter. This is unacceptable. We are not a third world country, we do not do healthcare in tents. Perhaps we should go the whole hog and have UNHCR printed on the side, and supply the staff with those blue helmets.

Why?

 

[Baxenden Bank]

First contact with my GP surgery today since this all kicked off. I've booked for a flu jab as I had an invitation letter for a free one. The whole surgery is being run from a tent in the car park. I asked how long for, and they said indefinitely, including throughout the winter. This is unacceptable. We are not a third world country, we do not do healthcare in tents. Perhaps we should go the whole hog and have UNHCR printed on the side, and supply the staff with those blue helmets.

I assume @DavidB has the same question as me.

Why operate from a tent?

Is it inherently safer than a brick and mortar premises?

Is it just the admin (ie being run) from the tent and consultations / examinations in the proper building?

Perhaps you could buy them a copy of M*A*S*H for Christmas!

 

[adc82140]

I would like to know why as well. The building is huge. There are two entrances as well so they could even separate out anyone with respiratory illnesses if they wanted to. I had seen the tent there over the summer and assumed it was just an overflow waiting room to maintain distancing, but no, it's where they are actually seeing the patients. I feel another letter to my MP is about to be written.

 

[MarlowDonkey]

Why operate from a tent?

Government guidance seems to go on a lot about ventilation and keeping doors and windows open all the time.

There's a link at www.tes.com/news/coronavirus-open-windows-leave-teachers-freezing-winter-looms

in which

Government guidelines has said that schools should look to maximise ventilation by opening windows and propping open doors to reduce the risk of Covid-19 spreading.

 

[Baxenden Bank]

Government guidance seems to go on a lot about ventilation and keeping doors and windows open all the time.

There's a link at www.tes.com/news/coronavirus-open-windows-leave-teachers-freezing-winter-looms

in which

Indeed yes, same with bus windows.

Yet the virus apparently thrives, and spreads more rapidly, in cold environments - such as meat processing plants. Best turn up the heat in the corridor, blast it through the classroom and straight out of the window then.

 

[py_megapixel]

Posting from a coffee shop having looked around some local charity shops...

It's surprising how many of them think an exemption is a physical object that one is expected to show...

also, and I swear I'm not making this up, at one of them the sanitiser ran out and they have replaced with a bottle of skin moisturising cream. Pathetic.

 

[bramling]

Posting from a coffee shop having looked around some local charity shops...

It's surprising how many of them think an exemption is a physical object that one is expected to show...

also, and I swear I'm not making this up, at one of them the sanitiser ran out and they have replaced with a bottle of skin moisturising cream. Pathetic.

We had something similar at work. One place (not mine) got a load of hand gel off ebay during the time when it was hard to get hold of. After it had been in use for a few days it turned out to be water.

 

[kristiang85]

We had something similar at work. One place (not mine) got a load of hand gel off ebay during the time when it was hard to get hold of. After it had been in use for a few days it turned out to be water.

That made me laugh!

I was in a pub recently where the sanitiser station was actually hand soap. It was blooming annoying realising after a few minutes of rubbing my hands that it was never going to evaporate. It just meant everyone would go on unnecessary trips to the small toilets to wash it.

Speaking of pubs, this week I was in one waiting for my mate, and our allocated table was 3 steps from the entrance. My mate came and saw me, but was told off by the staff for not wearing his mask to walk to the table. So they made him walk back, put his mask on, then he came to the table where he was allowed to take it off. Two seconds later. Needless to say, we won't be going there again.

 

[Bletchleyite]

also, and I swear I'm not making this up, at one of them the sanitiser ran out and they have replaced with a bottle of skin moisturising cream. Pathetic.

Have they actually done that, or have you come across one of the sanitisers which includes a moisturising product? There are a few "odd" ones about. I commented to a member of Booths staff that I thought they'd put hand soap out by mistake, as that's what it felt like, but as he said it would it magically evaporated after about 30 seconds. I think the reason it felt like soap was that it was one that included a moisturising product.

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I was in a pub recently where the sanitiser station was actually hand soap. It was blooming annoying realising after a few minutes of rubbing my hands that it was never going to evaporate. It just meant everyone would go on unnecessary trips to the small toilets to wash it.

Was it actually, or was it... (see above)

 

[Baxenden Bank]

We had something similar at work. One place (not mine) got a load of hand gel off ebay during the time when it was hard to get hold of. After it had been in use for a few days it turned out to be water.

That made me laugh!

I was in a pub recently where the sanitiser station was actually hand soap. It was blooming annoying realising after a few minutes of rubbing my hands that it was never going to evaporate. It just meant everyone would go on unnecessary trips to the small toilets to wash it.

Speaking of pubs, this week I was in one waiting for my mate, and our allocated table was 3 steps from the entrance. My mate came and saw me, but was told off by the staff for not wearing his mask to walk to the table. So they made him walk back, put his mask on, then he came to the table where he was allowed to take it off. Two seconds later. Needless to say, we won't be going there again.

Have they actually done that, or have you come across one of the sanitisers which includes a moisturising product? There are a few "odd" ones about. I commented to a member of Booths staff that I thought they'd put hand soap out by mistake, as that's what it felt like, but as he said it would it magically evaporated after about 30 seconds. I think the reason it felt like soap was that it was one that included a moisturising product.

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Was it actually, or was it... (see above)

Soap is more effective than sanitiser. Sanitiser is a workaround for when a proper 'soap and water wash' cannot be achieved. Far better to start converting all those free-standing office water dispensers into hand washing stations, and placing them at the entrance to premises. Bring your own towel - do not dry your hands on your trousers!

 

[Howardh]

So a thoroughly wet Saturday night in Manchester and the 10pm curfew sends everyone out of the pubs and restaurants to seek shelter waiting for their bus home.
So 9.30pm - 50+ in a bar with table service, all socially distanced, tracking completed, sanitisers available.
10.05pm, dozens sheltering in a tiny bus stop possibly enclosed on three sides, little distancing, no sanitisers, no tracking.
Which do you think covid would prefer?

 

[Bletchleyite]

So a thoroughly wet Saturday night in Manchester and the 10pm curfew sends everyone out of the pubs and restaurants to seek shelter waiting for their bus home.
So 9.30pm - 50+ in a bar with table service, all socially distanced, tracking completed, sanitisers available.
10.05pm, dozens sheltering in a tiny bus stop possibly enclosed on three sides, little distancing, no sanitisers, no tracking.
Which do you think covid would prefer?

If it was also blowing a gale like here last night, then the indoor bar, without doubt. Outdoor spread has been repeatedly evidenced to be negligible as the wind disperses it quickly.

 

[trainophile]

If it was also blowing a gale like here last night, then the indoor bar, without doubt. Outdoor spread has been repeatedly evidenced to be negligible as the wind disperses it quickly.

I wish they would back up all these figures they keep throwing at us with some sort of breakdown of who/how/where all these infections allegedly occurred. The figures are pretty pointless as a preventative measure without this.

 

[takno]

If it was also blowing a gale like here last night, then the indoor bar, without doubt. Outdoor spread has been repeatedly evidenced to be negligible as the wind disperses it quickly.

The wind disperses aerosols very quickly, probably dozens of times more effectively than is required. If people are standing significantly less than a metre from each other though then they're still at a lot more risk from droplets.

 

[trainophile]

I find the whole concept of "droplets" rather gross. Perhaps sneezing produces them, but normal breathing if you haven't got a cold surely doesn't release a stream of contaminants into the air.

 

[Bletchleyite]

I find the whole concept of "droplets" rather gross. Perhaps sneezing produces them, but normal breathing if you haven't got a cold surely doesn't release a stream of contaminants into the air.

Yes, it does. It's how things like colds spread. You can see it in the winter when your breath fogs.

 

[trainophile]

Yes, it does. It's how things like colds spread. You can see it in the winter when your breath fogs.

Yuk, isn't the human race badly designed then!

 

[initiation]

Called into a coffee shop this morning with my partner and a friend.

The waitress was insistent that despite being in a group we all had to provide independent/individual track and trace details (no app). When I queried it the response was 'the government have mandated it'.

Right... No they haven't. I'm fine with establishments if they want to make their own rules stricter (I'll avoid unnecessarily strict places) but don't blame the government or say it is mandatory when it is not.

 

[Domh245]

You can see it in the winter when your breath fogs.

Strictly speaking that's just the moisture in your breath that condenses rather than droplets. Droplets in the context of COVID is referring to droplets of 5-10 μm diameter - the NHS website refers to them in the context of " sneezing, coughing or speaking" Simply breathing doesn't produce droplets

 

[Howardh]

Strictly speaking that's just the moisture in your breath that condenses rather than droplets. Droplets in the context of COVID is referring to droplets of 5-10 μm diameter - the NHS website refers to them in the context of " sneezing, coughing or speaking" Simply breathing doesn't produce droplets

Breathing through your nose but not your mouth?

 

[Jamiescott1]

Called into a coffee shop this morning with my partner and a friend.

The waitress was insistent that despite being in a group we all had to provide independent/individual track and trace details (no app). When I queried it the response was 'the government have mandated it'.

Right... No they haven't. I'm fine with establishments if they want to make their own rules stricter (I'll avoid unnecessarily strict places) but don't blame the government or say it is mandatory when it is not.

Me and my partner had the same in a pub. The person on the door insisted we both complete track and trace even though we live together.
When I asked why, he replied "its because you could of been to different places like work".

 

[island]

Me and my partner had the same in a pub. The person on the door insisted we both complete track and trace even though we live together.
When I asked why, he replied "its because you could of been to different places like work".

If you were referring to the NHS app then he was acting correctly. The legislation requires either everyone check in on the NHS app or one person provide contact details on behalf of a party of up to six.

(Where a party of seven or more is permitted, for example a large household, one person per six attendees must give details, rounding up.)

 

[Jamiescott1]

If you were referring to the NHS app then he was acting correctly. The legislation requires either everyone check in on the NHS app or one person provide contact details on behalf of a party of up to six.

(Where a party of seven or more is permitted, for example a large household, one person per six attendees must give details, rounding up.)

It was the pubs own t&t system. I dont have the nhs app

 

[C J Snarzell]

First contact with my GP surgery today since this all kicked off. I've booked for a flu jab as I had an invitation letter for a free one. The whole surgery is being run from a tent in the car park. I asked how long for, and they said indefinitely, including throughout the winter. This is unacceptable. We are not a third world country, we do not do healthcare in tents. Perhaps we should go the whole hog and have UNHCR printed on the side, and supply the staff with those blue helmets.

My own GP surgery is like a fortress. If you don't have a face to face appointment with the GP - you don't get through the door. Sadly, reception staff are not pleasant people at the best of times, but since the lockdown they have turned into Rottweilers at my surgery.

I went to collect some medical forms a few weeks ago. I rang the bell outside the main surgery door and one of the reception staff came to the window at the side. She was either having a very bad day or it was her time of the month. I politely told her I was merely collecting some medical forms signed by the GP. She then abruptly returned with a brown envelope and tried to push it threw a letter box from the inside. However, it wouldn't fit so I suggested she unlock the door and hand the forms to me (I was wearing a face mask). She then said - ''I'm not doing that, I'll send it through the post.'' I then pointed out the GP had said it was okay to collect them and she replied ''the GP doesn't run this surgery, I do!''

I was actually a bit flabbergasted - was there any threat to her safety by unlocking the door and simply handing me an envelope with an out stretched hand? I couldn't believe it at the time, I've chuckled about it since because it was so ridiculous.

CJ

 

[birchesgreen]

Brilliant so now you have to wait longer, risk it getting lost in the post, had a wasted journey and she had wasted her surgery's time and money.

Everyone's a winner :P