The 2024 US presidential election.

[DerekC]

Better word salad than word garbage, which seems to be all Trump can produce these days

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I am afraid Trump is going to win. It seems highly likely that Netanyahu will launch his strike against Iran next week, designed to make Biden look even more ineffective and anger potential Democrat voters so they stay at home. Trump will announce unconditional support for Israel.

 

[brad465]

Today both candidates are going to somewhere in Texas to campaign, a sign perhaps this state is closer than commonly thought.

 

[jfollows]

Today both candidates are going to somewhere in Texas to campaign, a sign perhaps this state is closer than commonly thought.

We can always hope, but I don’t think Texas is other than Republican, Harris is only minimising the scale of her defeat there.

 

[DarloRich]

Trump is going to win isn't he?

 

[jfollows]

Texas is strange state, it’s somewhat divorced from the federation in the opposite way to California, and I’ve only really been to Austin (which is not representative of the state at all) for any time. Driving back there from San Antonio and stopping off in a “sporting goods” shop I did a double-take to see a petite lady pushing a shopping trolley out of which some kind of sodding great gun was poking. It’s different.

 

[Acfb]

We can always hope, but I don’t think Texas is other than Republican, Harris is only minimising the scale of her defeat there.

I think it's plausible that Ted Cruz loses his Senate seat. Remember he only won by around 2% in 2018 and he is apparently concerned about the internal polls, not that I'm predicting it to happen. I would be astonished if it was closer than 2020 though in the General. There were alleged issues with ballot suppression in 2020 as well IIRC.

It's an interesting state, it was mainly the underperformance in Houston and the border counties that cost Biden in 2020.

 

[EZJ]

Trump is in Texas to do Joe Rogans podcast, which as the biggest podcast on the planet is a good move. Apparently they asked Harris but received no answer.

Trump is going to win isn't he?

I think there is a strong chance, but let's be honest up until a few months ago everyone who is singing her praises now we're saying how awful she was. I'm no Trump fan but Harris is a really poor choice imo.

 

[sannox]

I don't think Texas is in play presidentially, but the size of the state, the number of donors and other races likely means a presidential candidate has to visit, even if it isn't going to change much. See also Trump visiting California.

 

[bahnause]

Kamala Harris is a typical woman. She has to work three times harder than any man. Or in the case of DonOld ten times harder. For years the media hasn't held the racist and facist DonOld to account. He got a freepass for almost everything he says or does. A short straw fire followed by silence. TV channels are too scared to even factcheck him during a debate. A lot of these journalists are a waste of space. "He gets to be lawless, she has to be flawless". Even CNN panelmembers are calling this out. Too little, too late.

 

[ainsworth74]

I think there is a strong chance, but let's be honest up until a few months ago everyone who is singing her praises now we're saying how awful she was. I'm no Trump fan but Harris is a really poor choice imo.

She's a better candidate than Biden, if Biden were still running it wouldn't even be close at this point in my opinion. Trump would be walking it. Something which I suspect he knows from the odd plaintive request for Biden to come back.

I have a really strong suspicion that Biden's legacy, which should actually across the long arc of his career as a politician be pretty positive, is going to end up being ruined by his failure to announce in around September 2023 words to the effect that: "I've given my life to the service of this country and it has been the honour of my life to serve as your President and achieve everything that we have over the last three years. But, it is time now for me to stand aside and let someone else take our country forward so I am officially stating that I will not be running for re-election in 2024." And therefore allowing Trump to win in November 2024.

 

[Tezza1978]

There was an interesting post in another forum I frequent (Spurs Community) about US Election polling. Will summarise the content below - essentially the polls have been badly wrong in all recent US elections:

* In 2016 the NYT presidential forecast was Hilary had a 91% chance of winning
*In 2018 the polls didn't predict the blue wave in the midterms.
* In 2020 the polls were wrong as they underestimated Trump's vote.
* In 2022 the polls predicted a red wave and underestimated the Dems vote in the midterms, and were wrong again and this with Biden having a 37% approval rating.

Its all to play for and 100% depends on turnout among younger voters in the battleground states. While a Trump win is certainly a strong possibility, a sweeping big victory for Harris while unlikely is certainly possible if pro-abortion rights women come out in numbers.

I think Harris has a 55% chance vs 45% for Trump. God help the world if he gets in..........

 

[jfollows]

Separately, both the Los Angeles Times and the Washington Post have been prevented from endorsing Harris by their rich owners, Bezos in the latter case. So rich people buy up newspapers as trophies and interfere with their editors. Will either of their editors now resign?

 

[DarloRich]

Separately, both the Los Angeles Times and the Washington Post have been prevented from endorsing Harris by their rich owners, Bezos in the latter case. So rich people buy up newspapers as trophies and interfere with their editors. Will either of their editors now resign?

Cowardly. This is how democracy dies.

 

[jfollows]

Cowardly. This is how democracy dies.

The Washington Post’s proud history - Katherine Graham and Watergate - is long forgotten I think.
Ben Bradlee (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Bradlee) (its editor at the time) died 10 years and 4 days ago.

 

[DarloRich]

The Washington Post’s proud history - Katherine Graham and Watergate - is long forgotten I think.

Exactly - they won a Pulitzer for reporting on the failed trump putsch irc!

Now they are scared to upset trump. America is collapsing into authoritarianism

 

[trainswitheddy]

Exactly - they won a Pulitzer for reporting on the failed trump putsch irc!

Now they are scared to upset trump. America is collapsing into authoritarianism

It's a sad state to behold. I sometimes get clips of the late John McCain when his supporters called Obama all sorts but despite this he chose to defend his opponent. A far cry from the discourse and divide today.

On the topic of the elections, as I understand it two key issues are the economy and cost of gas...weren't both of these at least partially Trumps fault?
The OPEC deal and his low interest rate policy that created short term growth at the expense of economic flexbility come 2020s covid crisis.
(I'm no economist and have only read a little into these things - do correct if I'm wrong!!)

 

[edwin_m]

On the topic of the elections, as I understand it two key issues are the economy and cost of gas...weren't both of these at least partially Trumps fault?
The OPEC deal and his low interest rate policy that created short term growth at the expense of economic flexbility come 2020s covid crisis.
(I'm no economist and have only read a little into these things - do correct if I'm wrong!!)

The inflation was a worldwide thing and a lot of it was to do with the post-Covid recovery and the energy price spike after Ukraine. But Biden was in power when the consequences were felt, so it can be portrayed as his doing.

 

[brad465]

Better word salad than word garbage, which seems to be all Trump can produce these days

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I am afraid Trump is going to win. It seems highly likely that Netanyahu will launch his strike against Iran next week, designed to make Biden look even more ineffective and anger potential Democrat voters so they stay at home. Trump will announce unconditional support for Israel.

Didn't take long.

 

[DarloRich]

Separately, both the Los Angeles Times and the Washington Post have been prevented from endorsing Harris by their rich owners, Bezos in the latter case. So rich people buy up newspapers as trophies and interfere with their editors. Will either of their editors now resign?

Thinking about it a bit more I bet it is blue origin related. Musk is getting good press and contracts with NASA so Bezos must also.

All rocket based nonsense I suspect

 

[bahnause]

Exactly - they won a Pulitzer for reporting on the failed trump putsch irc!

Now they are scared to upset trump. America is collapsing into authoritarianism

Where’s the media criticism of Trump’s interview with Joe Rogan? It’s barely listenable. Unlike with Biden after the debate, the press seems to ignore the cognitive decline of this uneducated wannabe dictator. Even Rogan looked uncomfortable, and that says something…

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I love historical documentaries. I’m currently watching one about the 1939 pro-Nazi rally at Madison Square Garden. Oh wait, it’s a live Trump rally! My bad.

 

[nlogax]

Been hunkered down in my favourite remote town in eastern CA since mid last week, and I've heard a lot of right wing views from other visitors in that time. The rather vocal lady wearing her hunting-camo Trump hat in the thermal pool yesterday afternoon was indeed a fount of knowledge and I feel far more informed as a result. I was unaware previously that Musk coming onboard was a campaign "power play", I was also unaware that Trump would stop all wars and immediately stop all immigrants coming across the border regardless of their legal status.

Oddly enough when a young Mexican family came and sat by the pool she suddenly became very quiet, mouth like a cat's arse. How peculiar.


(I'm sitting here waiting to board a flight home. Hopefully the UK has retained some sanity)

 

[87electric]

Where’s the media criticism of Trump’s interview with Joe Rogan? It’s barely listenable. Unlike with Biden after the debate, the press seems to ignore the cognitive decline of this uneducated wannabe dictator. Even Rogan looked uncomfortable, and that says something…

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I love historical documentaries. I’m currently watching one about the 1939 pro-Nazi rally at Madison Square Garden. Oh wait, it’s a live Trump rally! My bad.

Not even funny.

 

[DarloRich]

Where’s the media criticism of Trump’s interview with Joe Rogan? It’s

The clips I have seen show Rogan clearly releasing that Trump is gone mentally - his face is a picture. He knows. He just isn't brave enough to call it out.

 

[LUYMun]

Where’s the media criticism of Trump’s interview with Joe Rogan? It’s barely listenable.

A small transcript of the Joe Rogan podcast is enough to show him trying to criticise Trump's most profound claims: https://x.com/SwannMarcus89/status/1850066251659219451

Swann Marcus
@SwannMarcus89
Joe Rogan slowly seeming to realize that Trump is totally insane is an incredible read

 

[brad465]

Trump had a comedian at one of his rallies yesterday, who made an offensive joke about Puerto Ricans by describing the territory as a "floating island of garbage", as well as saying Latinos "loved making babies". While the incident is unlikely to shift the dial much (because virtually nothing does these days), Trump has previously done well amongst Hispanic/Latino voters, so being associated with this could be costly amongst a core voting demographic. It's had bipartisan criticism, with Florida Senator Rick Scott being a notable critic, who is up for election himself and will no doubt be wary of a reliance on that demographic in Florida.

Harris vows end to 'drama and conflict' - but Biden's 'garbage' comment triggers row

Joe Biden denies calling Trump supporters "garbage" in footage which emerged shortly after Harris's speech.

www.bbc.co.uk

Republican senator among bipartisan backlash to 'island of garbage' comment​

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As we've been reporting, there has been bipartisan criticism after a comedian addressing a Trump rally called Puerto Rico a "floating island of garbage".

Tony Hinchcliffe, speaking from the stage as a warm-up act, said "there is literally a floating island of garbage in the middle of the ocean right now", before adding the punchline, saying: "I think it's called Puerto Rico".

Among the Republicans criticising the remark is Florida senator Rick Scott, who posted on social media: "This joke bombed for a reason. It's not funny and it's not true.

He added: "Puerto Ricans are amazing people and amazing Americans!"

 

[jon0844]

Not even funny.

I thought I was looking at AI colourisation of the 1939 rally. How bad do I feel now I am told it was a Trump rally in 2024.

 

[87electric]

Puerto Rico is recognised for having a trash/garbage issue for a long time, as indicated by the Global Press Journal link here. I’ve certainly been aware of it.
Hinchcliffe is for sure a very controversial comedian to many. Has he highlighted Puerto Rico’s problem or is he calling the population itself garbage?

Trash Crisis Leaves Puerto Rico Near ‘the Brink’

Most of Puerto Rico’s landfills fail to meet federal standards and are almost full. Residents and experts worry that trash will soon overwhelm the region.

globalpressjournal.com

 

[DarloRich]

Hinchcliffe is for sure a very controversial comedian to many. Has he highlighted Puerto Rico’s problem or is he calling the population itself garbage?

both - obviously. It is called dog whistling. I am sure you know this.

 

[Acey]

Hmm,for every Latino that takes offence there will be two rednecks who will be happy-clapping and saying "right on Don "

 

[bahnause]

Hinchcliffe is for sure a very controversial comedian to many. Has he highlighted Puerto Rico’s problem or is he calling the population itself garbage?

He might be controversial in a comedy setup. At a campaign event where content is key, he is just another racist white idiot.