Thameslink/ Class 700 Progress

[jon0844]

Would GatLink get me your bonus points?

Yes, with even more if you can get Luton airport in too!

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Yes, with even more if you can get Luton airport in too!

LuGatLink

 

[whoosh]

Network Southeast.

 

[387star]

Any reason why a 700 is missing almost all its white diagonal stripes ?

 

[jon0844]

Network Southeast.

We have a winner!!

 

[skyhigh]

Any reason why a 700 is missing almost all its white diagonal stripes ?

I'd expect it's the result of a cleanup after a graffiti attack.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Network Southeast.

But Peterborough was never part of Network SouthEast...

 

[bramling]

But Peterborough was never part of Network SouthEast...

It might as well have been to the average passenger, as NSE liveried 317s (and for that matter 365s) were a regular sight at Peterborough.

I don't think NSE would ever have introduced something as unpleasant and uncomfortable as a class 700 though.

 

[swt_passenger]

I don't see what is confusing about 'Thameslink'

'Thameslink' will simply gain more routes and will become a much larger operation than previously with all of the routes going through the core.

Not confusing at all.

...not only that but it's been obvious for years that was what would happen, despite the various iterations of the Thameslink 'route map'.

Trying to decide whether or not Class 700s used on the GN for a fairly short period (approaching 12 months) will have Thameslink or Great Northern logos displayed is a bit of a side issue. Once the routes are linked (mid 2018) they will definitely read "Thameslink".

 

[Hadders]

But Peterborough was never part of Network SouthEast...

Peterborough was never in the Network SouthEast area but it was served by Network SouthEast Trains.

 

[Boothby97]

Are all the Blackfriars-Sevenoaks workings still 319s on a Saturday, as I'm hoping to grab one or two on Thameslink this afternoon?

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Are all the Blackfriars-Sevenoaks workings still 319s on a Saturday, as I'm hoping to grab one or two on Thameslink this afternoon?

Read the 319 thread. Yes all 319 today

 

[jopsuk]

Peterborough continues to be tantalisingly just outside the Network Railcard area (along with Ipswich)- it wouldn't be that hard to bring it in but make it not valid on VTEC. Which is a digression.

Thameslink is fine for branding, aren't all Class 700 services going to be ones through the core? The core is Thameslink. Hell, on the GN it'll be a useful indicator that the train is going to St Pancras not Kings Cross.

 

[peterborough31]

The arguement put forward by BR just prior to the start of the Great Northern
service extension to Peterborough in 1987 was that if Peterborough got NSE fares/railcard to go with the NSE trains then Grantham passengers would want NSE fares/railcard as well.

Bizarre logic as to my knowledge NSE trains have never ran a service to Grantham:roll:

 

[AM9]

The arguement put forward by BR just prior to the start of the Great Northern
service extension to Peterborough in 1987 was that if Peterborough got NSE fares/railcard to go with the NSE trains then Grantham passengers would want NSE fares/railcard as well.

Bizarre logic as to my knowledge NSE trains have never ran a service to Grantham:roll:

Well how does one account for Exeter Central and Worcester being in the Network Card area?

 

[Hadders]

Well how does one account for Exeter Central and Worcester being in the Network Card area?

I on' think either we're in it originally but we're added at a later date (probably as a way of increasing passenger numbers)

 

[bramling]

Well how does one account for Exeter Central and Worcester being in the Network Card area?

Exeter Central certainly didn't have trains to London provided by Intercity, what about Worcester? But having said that, this may have been something which has changed over time, as I'm sure I recall Pinhoe being the boundary at some point.

I presume the situation at Peterborough would have been that Intercity would have objected, being the primary operator.

Were there any "NSE only" type fares from Peterborough to London at the time? Certainly my recollection is the NSE Peterborough service was more aimed at users from the intermediate stations rather than people making Peterborough-London journeys.

It doesn't help with capacity today that WAGN/FCC/GN have all offered cheaper fares for Peterborough-London journeys, taking up capacity on their trains to the detriment of users from intermediate stations, whilst the GNER/NXEC/EC/VTEC services often arrive in London with some free seats. Isn't privatisation wonderful?!

 

[peterborough31]

Exeter Central certainly didn't have trains to London provided by Intercity, what about Worcester? But having said that, this may have been something which has changed over time, as I'm sure I recall Pinhoe being the boundary at some point.

I presume the situation at Peterborough would have been that Intercity would have objected, being the primary operator.

Were there any "NSE only" type fares from Peterborough to London at the time? Certainly my recollection is the NSE Peterborough service was more aimed at users from the intermediate stations rather than people making Peterborough-London journeys.

It doesn't help with capacity today that WAGN/FCC/GN have all offered cheaper fares for Peterborough-London journeys, taking up capacity on their trains to the detriment of users from intermediate stations, whilst the GNER/NXEC/EC/VTEC services often arrive in London with some free seats. Isn't privatisation wonderful?!

The fares were the same between Peterborough and London whether you travelled on a 317 or a Class 91. This soon changed after Privatisation.

 

[John1975]

Another 2 x RLU entering service Monday 7th August.

The following diagrams currently worked by 8 377 will become 8 700:

(408)
5H15 06+26 Cauldwell to Luton
2V15 06.50 Luton to Sutton
2V16 08.38 Sutton to Bedford
5G16 10+35 Bedford to Bedford (via North Siding)
1W27 11.10 Bedford to Brighton
1W38 14.05 Brighton to Bedford
1H81 16.50 Bedford to Beckenham Junction
1G63 18.30 Beckenham Junction to Bedford
5G63 20+18 Bedford to Bedford CS

(440)
5G79 03+07 Bedford CS to Bedford
1W79 03.20 Bedford to Brighton
1W08 06.19 Brighton to Bedford
2W25 09.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W34 11.59 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W41 14.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W82 17.35 Brighton to Bedford
5U82 20+03 Bedford to Cauldwell

 

[387star]

Not many 700 with old logos now maybe about ten?

 

[spark001uk]

Another 2 x RLU entering service Monday 7th August.

The following diagrams currently worked by 8 377 will become 8 700:

(408)
5H15 06+26 Cauldwell to Luton
2V15 06.50 Luton to Sutton
2V16 08.38 Sutton to Bedford
5G16 10+35 Bedford to Bedford (via North Siding)
1W27 11.10 Bedford to Brighton
1W38 14.05 Brighton to Bedford
1H81 16.50 Bedford to Beckenham Junction
1G63 18.30 Beckenham Junction to Bedford
5G63 20+18 Bedford to Bedford CS

(440)
5G79 03+07 Bedford CS to Bedford
1W79 03.20 Bedford to Brighton
1W08 06.19 Brighton to Bedford
2W25 09.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W34 11.59 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W41 14.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W82 17.35 Brighton to Bedford
5U82 20+03 Bedford to Cauldwell

Thanks for the info. How many / what diagrams will that leave as 377? I believe I saw 3 maybe 4 pairs of them out last week.

 

[387star]

Thanks for the info. How many / what diagrams will that leave as 377? I believe I saw 3 maybe 4 pairs of them out last week.

There's one which stops at elephant gets in to blackfriars around 9 which has. Been a 377 for a long time.. Surprising in a way as it's often very busy

Not long now till all 700s.. Very. Nearly there not sure when green southern units stop being used

 

[John1975]

How many / what diagrams will that leave as 377?

Just 2 pairs

(607/608)
5W00 04+40 Lovers Walk to Brighton
1W00 05.10 Brighton to Bedford
1J97 07.58 Bedford to Elephant & Castle
5E97 09+12 Elephant & Castle to Bellingham CHS
3E69 10+10 Bellingham CHS to Elephant & Castle
1G69 10.34 Elephant & Castle to Bedford
1W31 12.10 Bedford to Brighton
1W88 15.05 Brighton to Bedford
1W53 17.34 Bedford to Brighton
1W64 20.33 Brighton to Bedford
5W64 23+15 Bedford to Bedford CS

(609/610)
5G90 07+00 Bedford CS to Bedford
1H91 07.12 Bedford to Beckenham Junction
1G84 08.41 Beckenham Junction to Bedford
1J99 10.20 Bedford to Elephant & Castle
5E99 11+32 Elephant & Castle to Bellingham CHS
3E73 16+00 Bellingham CHS to Elephant & Castle
1G73 16.22 Elephant & Castle to Bedford
5G25 17+40 Bedford to Bedford (via North Siding)
2V25 17.54 Bedford to Sutton
2V26 20.12 Sutton to Bedford
1W73 22.22 Bedford to Brighton
5W73 01+14 Bedford to Lovers Walk

 

[skyhigh]

Another new fault to me today with the PIS - the two screens were completely mismatched (e.g. showing toilet key with the calling pattern and 'Destination' with the train loading). Anyone else seen this before?

Also of note was the TfL update heading appearing, but no slide for the actual information...

 

[samuelmorris]

New one for me this morning on 700003, the right hand display crashed and rebooted - the screen was black and had a circular spinning animation on it for a minute or so before it reappeared with the correct information...

 

[AM9]

... It doesn't help with capacity today that WAGN/FCC/GN have all offered cheaper fares for Peterborough-London journeys, taking up capacity on their trains to the detriment of users from intermediate stations, whilst the GNER/NXEC/EC/VTEC services often arrive in London with some free seats. Isn't privatisation wonderful?!

ITYM 'monetisation' (for some at least).

 

[AM9]

Exeter Central certainly didn't have trains to London provided by Intercity, what about Worcester? But having said that, this may have been something which has changed over time, as I'm sure I recall Pinhoe being the boundary at some point...

I remember getting as far as Exeter St Davids on one of the Network Days so it must have been at some time.
Milton Keynes also had IC services but NSE tickets were valid on both unles the trains were specifically marked as U or S in the timetable. MK is of course prime commuter territory, - as Peterborough is now or will be soon!

 

[spark001uk]

I had a couple of good ones a couple of weeks ago, one had a horn icon on the left screen and in the right it said take care as many slippery surfaces, on a bright sunny day with not a cloud in the sky!
The other, all the PIS said do not board this train it is not in service, throughout the journey!

 

[Peter Sarf]

I remember getting as far as Exeter St Davids on one of the Network Days so it must have been at some time.
Milton Keynes also had IC services but NSE tickets were valid on both unles the trains were specifically marked as U or S in the timetable. MK is of course prime commuter territory, - as Peterborough is now or will be soon!

I recall going to Peterborough on a NSE day.

 

[spark001uk]

I recall going to Peterborough on a NSE day.

I remember those vividly, in particular the 1986 (the first?) one. Hell at a fiver for a day's unlimited travel anywhere in the south east of England, who wouldn't remember it!!