Thameslink/ Class 700 Progress

[Bald Rick]

I can't see a real problem with the 700s but the screens will hopefully go on to show more useful information.. I am still seeing that the TfL updates can be hours out of date, which is of little use when it will either not show disruption, or show disruption that has cleared.

Either way, totally useless.

Since someone mentioned this a few days ago, I've been looking out for this. Every 700 I've been on since has had TfL updates no more than 10 minutes old. To be fair, every display has been working properly. Will still keep a look out.

 

[AM9]

This issue of crowding is one which is of importance for a couple of hours in the morning and a couple of hours in the afternoon.

For the other 20 hours of the day I suspect that many passengers might quite like a bit more legroom and all the other creature comforts itdoesntmatter mentioned. ...

The issue of crowding i.e. the commuter traffic in the peak hours is the reason for the design as is. If subsidised rail travel is the green way to get large numbers of commuters into our cities, (and especially true for the Thameslink routes) where the infrastructure imposes an absolute limit to the frequencies and sizes of trains, then after safety, capacity is the only real design criteria that must be met. There has been repeated discussions on this forum about "creature comforts" which as that term infers are not essential, and as previously confirmed, have been assessed on class 700s as potentially engendering passenger habits that would extend dwell times. To include such facilities would reduce line maximum capacity resulting in the worst case, passengers being left standing on platforms, - something that happened on normal peak days before the Thameslink Programme started. To risk a repeat of that because additional 'creature comforts' were included for those passengers who were lucky enough to get seats when over £6BN had been spent on improving capacity would be inexcusable.
As far as off-peak passenger amenity is concerned, users like me who don't travel in the peak and have to pay normal walk-up fares which are higher than many elsewhere in the UK, just have to put up with it because there is no alternative given the priority that commuter travel is given. This is generally true for most of the busy suburban routes into London.

 

[Abpj17]

The issue of crowding i.e. the commuter traffic in the peak hours is the reason for the design as is. If subsidised rail travel is the green way to get large numbers of commuters into our cities, (and especially true for the Thameslink routes) where the infrastructure imposes an absolute limit to the frequencies and sizes of trains, then after safety, capacity is the only real design criteria that must be met. There has been repeated discussions on this forum about "creature comforts" which as that term infers are not essential, and as previously confirmed, have been assessed on class 700s as potentially engendering passenger habits that would extend dwell times. To include such facilities would reduce line maximum capacity resulting in the worst case, passengers being left standing on platforms, - something that happened on normal peak days before the Thameslink Programme started. To risk a repeat of that because additional 'creature comforts' were included for those passengers who were lucky enough to get seats when over £6BN had been spent on improving capacity would be inexcusable.
As far as off-peak passenger amenity is concerned, users like me who don't travel in the peak and have to pay normal walk-up fares which are higher than many elsewhere in the UK, just have to put up with it because there is no alternative given the priority that commuter travel is given. This is generally true for most of the busy suburban routes into London.

In practice it's more than peak hour though. There can be busy train for the first off peak services, weekend events like football matches and major concerts, and late evenings after shows/pubs in London. The wider doors and bits near the doors are good for all those with suitcases too given the line has two airports (and there were a lot of suitcases today as lots of schools finished yesterday).

In other news, there have been an awful lot of train faults in the last couple of weeks leading to an apparent resurgence of 377s, shorter stock and cancellations. To take an example the southbound 8:23 from Leagrave was cancelled three out of five days this week.

 

[J-2739]

Anyone got the latest diagrams please?

 

[cactustwirly]

Anyone got the latest diagrams please?

Pretty much everything but Sevenoaks

 

[skyhigh]

Possibly full with many slim people? These indicators work on load not occupied space.

Possible, but as every other coach was showing red I think it might have been a little unlikely

 

[J-2739]

Pretty much everything but Sevenoaks

Ah k, that sounds good.

Specifically the 1540 from St Pancras to Brighton, since I'm using that on the 18th of August.

 

[D365]

Think it's more a case now of which services aren't 700-operated.

 

[jon0844]

Since someone mentioned this a few days ago, I've been looking out for this. Every 700 I've been on since has had TfL updates no more than 10 minutes old. To be fair, every display has been working properly. Will still keep a look out.

Not all of them are out of date but I always check (sad I know, but it's something to do!).

How are the 700s connected? I assume there's a 4G connection, but is it backed up with a Wi-Fi connection at Wi-Fi enabled stations? It could be isolated to specific units that have connectivity issues.

Next time I see one, I'll make a note of what train it is.

 

[urpert]

Think it's more a case now of which services aren't 700-operated.

As mentioned above, Sat and Sun Sevenoaks are still solid 319.

 

[Class 466]

Anyone got the latest diagrams please?

Class 700 diagrams 24th until 28th July.

28x RLU, 11x FLU

TB401
5W78 03+37 Three Bridges depot to Three Bridges
1W78 03.46 Three Bridges to Bedford
1V83 06.14 Bedford to Sutton
2V12 08.08 Sutton to St Albans
5K37 09+40 St Albans to St Albans via Centre Siding
2O37 09.44 St Albans to Sutton
2O38 11.07 Sutton to Luton
2V67 13.14 Luton to Sutton
2V68 15.08 Sutton to St Albans
5K93 16+29 St Albans to St Albans via Centre Siding
2O93 16.44 St Albans to Sutton
2O94 18.09 Sutton to Luton
2V41 20.20 Luton to Sutton
5O48 22+12 Sutton to Sutton via Streatham
2O48 22.47 Sutton to Bedford
5G48 01+12 Bedford to Bedford CS

TB402
5G77 02+08 Bedford CS to Bedford
1W77 02.20 Bedford to Three Bridges
5W01 04+59 Three Bridges to Brighton
1W04 05.44 Brighton to Bedford
1W17 08.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W28 11.35 Brighton to Bedford
2W45 14.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W52 17.05 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W61 19.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W72 22.30 Brighton to Bedford
5G72 01+26 Bedford to Bedford CS

TB403
5W86 02+03 Three Bridges depot to Three Bridges
2W86 02.13 Three Bridges to Bedford
5G86 04+52 Bedford to Bedford CS
5G87 06.20 Bedford CS to Bedford
1H87 06.34 Bedford to Beckenham Junction
1G63 08.02 Beckenham Junction to Bedford
2W27 09.54 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W36 12.29 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W43 15.10 Bedford to Brighton
1W54 18.05 Brighton to Bedford
1W67 21.10 Bedford to Brighton
2W82 00.10 Brighton to Bedford
5G82 03+12 Bedford to Bedford CS

TB404
5W88 03+05 Three Bridges Depot to Three Bridges
2W88 03.13 Three Bridges to Bedford
1O09 05.48 Bedford to Sutton
1O10 07.40 Sutton to Bedford
5G29 09+52 Bedford to Bedford via North End Siding
2W29 10.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W38 12.59Three Bridges to Brighton
1H66 15.40 Bedford to Beckenham Junction
1G79 17.30 Beckenham Junction to Bedford
5G79 19+10 Bedford to Bedford CS via North End Siding

TB405
2W92 04.15 Brighton to Bedford
1E64 07.16 Bedford to Sevenoaks
2E75 09.42 Sevenoaks to Kentish Town
5J75 11+11 Kentish Town to Cricklewood depot
5A33 11+42 Cricklewood depot to West Hampstead
2E33 11.50 West Hampstead to Sevenoaks
2E51 13.30 Sevenoaks to West Hampstead
5J51 14+57 West Hampstead to Cricklewood depot
5A47 15+13 Cricklewood depot to West Hampstead
2E47 15.20 West Hampstead to Sevenoaks
1E98 17.00 Sevenoaks to Bedford
5U98 19+24 Bedford to Cauldwell depot

TB406
5G75 00+56 Bedford CS to Bedford via North End Siding
1A75 01.20 Bedford to St Pancras
1G74 02.50 St Pancras to Bedford
5G74 04+05 Bedford to Bedford CS
5G95 07+32 Bedford CS to Bedford
1V95 07.44 Bedford to Sutton
2V24 09.38 Sutton to St Albans
5K49 10+59 St Albans to St Albans via Centre Siding
2O49 11.14 St Albans to Sutton
2O50 12.37 Sutton to Luton
2V79 14.44 Luton to Sutton
1V80 16.38 Sutton to Bedford
2V29 18.36 Bedford to Sutton
2V30 20.42 Sutton to St Albans
5J30 22+01 St Albans to Cricklewood depot via Centre Siding

TB407
5H19 06+58 Cricklewood depot to Luton
2E19 07+46 Luton to Sevenoaks
5E19 09+48 Sevenoaks to Sevenoaks CHS
5Z11 10+05 Sevenoaks CHS to Kentish Town
5Z12 11+38 Kentish Town to Sevenoaks CHS
5Z13 13+37 Sevenoaks CHS to Blackfriars
5Z14 14+48 Blackfriars to Sevenoaks CHS
5E63 16+25 Sevenoaks CHS to Sevenoaks
2E63 16.30 Sevenoaks to Bedford
2O35 19.14 Bedford to Sutton
2O36 21.17 Sutton to Bedford
5G36 23+34 Bedford to Bedford CS
5G85 00+26 Bedford CS to Bedford
5G85 00+26 Bedford CS to Bedford
2W85 00.40 Bedford to Three Bridges
5W85 03+14 Three Bridges to Three Bridges Depot

TB408
NOT IN TRAFFIC

TB409
5A05 05+42 Cricklewood depot to West Hampstead
2E05 05.50 West Hampstead to Sevenoaks
2E65 07.36 Sevenoaks to Kentish Town
5J65 09+10 Kentish Town to Cricklewood depot
5A43 14+10 Cricklewood depot to West Hampstead
2E43 14.20 West Hampstead to Sevenoaks
2E61 16.00 Sevenoaks to St Albans
5K21 17+53 St Albans to St Albans via Centre Siding
2V21 18.06 St Albans to Sutton
2V22 19.42 Sutton to St Albans
5J22 21+01 St Albans to Cricklewood depot via Centre Siding

TB410
5A93 05+50 Cricklewood depot to West Hampstead
2L93 05.58 West Hampstead to Orpington
1G61 07.28 Orpington to Bedford
5H29 09+34 Bedford to Luton
2E29 10.14 Luton to Sevenoaks
2E87 12.30 Sevenoaks to West Hampstead
5J87 13+55 West Hampstead to Cricklewood depot
3J75 15+25 Cricklewood depot to Elephant & Castle via Bellingham Sidings
1G75 16.56 Elephant & Castle to Bedford
5U75 18+14 Bedford to Cauldwell depot

TB411
5H91 05+52 Bedford CS to Luton
2E91 06.42 Luton to Bromley South
1E65 08.18 Bromley South to Bedford
5G65 10+13 Bedford to Bedford CS
3J73 13+50 Bedford CS to Bellingham Sidings
3E77 17+00 Bellingham Sidings to Elephant & Castle
1G77 17.22 Elephant & Castle to Bedford
2W63 18.54 Bedford to Brighton
1W70 22.06 Brighton to Bedford
5G70 00+46 Bedford to Bedford CS

TB412
NOT IN TRAFFIC

TB413
5A03 05+26 Cricklewood depot to West Hampstead
2O03 05+36 West Hampstead to Sutton
2O04 06.40 Sutton to Bedford
1W19 09.10 Bedford to Brighton
1W30 12.05 Brighton to Bedford
2W47 14.54 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W54 17.37 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W63 20.10 Bedford to Brighton
2W78 23.05 Brighton to Bedford
5G78 02+00 Bedford to Bedford CS

TB414
5G81 05+32 Bedford CS to Bedford
1W81 05.44 Bedford to Brighton
1W14 08.18 Brighton to Bedford
5G14 11+01 Bedford to Bedford CS
5G37 12+11 Bedford CS to Bedford
2W37 12.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W46 14.59 Three Bridges to Bedford
1O19 17.30 Bedford to Sutton
2O20 19.13 Sutton to Luton
2V49 21.20 Luton to Sutton
5V49 23+19 Sutton to Blackfriars

TB415
5V98 04+37 Blackfriars to Selhurst via West Croydon
2V98 05.51 Selhurst to Bedford
1W15 08.04 Bedford to Brighton
1W26 11.05 Brighton to Bedford
2W43 13.54 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W50 16.29 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W59 19.08 Bedford to Brighton
5W62 22+22 Brighton to Three Bridges depot

TB416
5K93 06+52 Cricklewood depot to St Albans via Centre Siding
2H93 07.34 St Albans to Bromley South
2E93 08.44 Bromley South to St Albans
5K41 10+03 St Albans to St Albans via Centre Siding
2O41 10.14 St Albans to Sutton
2O42 11.37 Sutton to Luton
2V71 13.44 Luton to Sutton
2V72 15.38 Sutton to St Albans
5K97 17+00 St Albans to St Albans via Centre Siding
2O97 17.14 St Albans to Sutton
2O98 18.14 Sutton to Luton
2V45 20.50 Luton to Sutton
5V45 22+42 Sutton to Cricklewood depot

TB417
5H05 04+47 Bedford CS to Bedford
2O05 05.26 Bedford to Sutton
2O06 07.06 Sutton to St Albans
5K23 08+47 St Albans to St Albans via Centre Sidings
2E23 08.58 St Albans to Sevenoaks
2E81 11.00 Sevenoaks to Kentish Town
5J81 12+25 Kentish Town to Cricklewood Depot
5A37 12+42 Cricklewood Depot to West Hampstead
2E37 12.50 West Hampstead to Sevenoaks
2E55 14.30 Sevenoaks to West Hampstead
5J55 15+56 West Hampstead to Cricklewood Depot
5A01 16+12 Cricklewood Depot to West Hampstead
2E01 16.20 West Hampstead to Sevenoaks
1E65 18.00 Sevenoaks to Bedford
5G65 20+30 Bedford to Bedford CS

TB418
5H25 07+38 Cauldwell to Luton
2O25 08.02 Luton to Sutton
2O26 09.37 Sutton to Luton
2V55 11.44 Luton to Sutton
2V56 13.38 Sutton to St Albans
5K81 14+59 St Albans to St Albans via Centre Sidings
2O81 15.14 St Albans to Sutton
2O82 16.37 Sutton to Luton
2E15 18.44 Luton to Sevenoaks
2B81 21.00 Sevenoaks to Blackfriars
2B25 22.12 Blackfriars to Sevenoaks
5F25 23+20 Sevenoaks to Bellingham Sidings

TB419
5B03 06+00 Bellingham Sidings to Bromley South
2B03 06.16 Bromley South to Sevenoaks
2E63 07.09 Sevenoaks to St Albans
5K33 09+03 St Albans to St Albans via Centre Sidings
2O33 09.14 St Albans to Sutton
2O34 10.37 Sutton to Luton
2V63 12.44 Luton to Sutton
2V64 14.38 Sutton to St Albans
5K89 15+59 St Albans to St Albans via Centre Sidings
2O89 16.14 St Albans to Sutton
2O90 17.41 Sutton to Luton
2V37 19.54 Luton to Sutton
5O44 21+42 Sutton to Sutton via Streatham
2O44 22.17 Sutton to Bedford
5G44 00+35 Bedford to Bedford CS via North End Siding

TB420
NOT IN TRAFFIC

TB421
5H01 04+10 Bedford CS to Luton
2V01 04.46 Luton to Sutton
2V02 06.35 Sutton to St Albans
5K95 07+53 St Albans to St Albans via Centre Siding
2E95 08.07 St Albans to Sevenoaks
2E77 10.01 Sevenoaks to West Hampstead
5J77 11+26 West Hampstead to Cricklewood depot
5A35 12+12 Cricklewood depot to West Hampstead
2E35 12.20 West Hampstead to Sevenoaks
2E53 14.00 Sevenoaks to West Hampstead
5J53 15+27 West Hampstead to Cricklewood depot
5A49 15+45 Cricklewood depot to West Hampstead
2E49 15.50 West Hampstead to Sevenoaks
2E67 17.30 Sevenoaks to Bedford
5G65 20+10 Bedford to Bedford CS

TB422
5H17 06+44 Cauldwell depot to Luton
2O17 07.10 Luton to Sutton
2O18 08.45 Sutton to Luton
2V47 10.44 Luton to Sutton
2V48 12.38 Sutton to St Albans
5K73 13+59 St Albans to St Albans via Centre Siding
2O73 14.14 St Albans to Sutton
2O74 15.37 Sutton to Luton
2E11 17.38 Luton to Sevenoaks
2E77 20.00 Sevenoaks to West Hampstead
5J77 21+27 West Hampstead to Cricklewood depot

TB423
5H09 05+16 Cricklewood depot to Luton
2E09 06.04 Luton to Sevenoaks
1E67 08.24 Sevenoaks to Bedford
5G67 10+45 Bedford to Bedford CS
5G03 15+35 Bedford CS to Bedford via North End Siding
1E03 15.54 Bedford to Sevenoaks
1E67 18.30 Sevenoaks to Bedford
5G67 21+02 Bedford to Bedford CS
5G83 23+24 Bedford CS to Bedford
2W83 23.40 Bedford to Brighton FX
2W83 23.40 Bedford to Three Bridges FO
5W83 02+10 Three Bridges to Three bridges depot FO

TB424
NOT IN TRAFFIC

TB425
NOT IN TRAFFIC

TB426
5H07 05+12 Bedford CS to Luton
2V07 05.52 Luton to Sutton
2V08 07.37 Sutton to Luton
2V35 09.14 Luton to Sutton
2V36 11.08 Sutton to St Albans
5K61 12+29 St Albans to St Albans via Center Sidings
2O61 12.44 St Albans to Sutton
2O62 14.07 Sutton to Luton
2V91 16.14 Luton to Sutton
2V92 18.08 Sutton to St Albans
5K19 19+35 St Albans to St Albans via Center Sidings
2E19 19.58 St Albans to Sevenoaks
2B85 22.00 Sevenoaks to Blackfriars
2B29 23.12 Blackfriars to Sevenoaks
5B29 00+31 Sevenoaks to Sevenoaks Sidings

TB427
5E59 06+10 Sevenoaks CHS to Sevenoaks
2E59 06.13 Sevenoaks to St Albans
5K27 08+06 St Albans to St Albans via Center Sidings
2V27 08.23 St Albans to Sutton
2V28 10.08 Sutton to St Albans
5K53 11+29 St Albans to St Albans via Center Sidings
2O53 11.44 St Albans to Sutton
2O54 13.07 Sutton to Luton
2V83 15.14 Luton to Sutton
2V84 17.08 Sutton to St Albans
5K27 18+35 St Albans to St Albans via Center Sidings
2O27 18.52 St Albans to Sutton
5V57 00+07 Sutton to Cricklewood Depot

TB428
NOT IN TRAFFIC

TB429
NOT IN TRAFFIC

TB430
NOT IN TRAFFIC

TB431
5G60 06+28 Bedford CS to Bedford
1L60 06.40 Bedford to Orpington
2L65 08.47 Orpington to Kentish Town
2E25 09.54 Kentish Town to Sevenoaks
2E83 11.30 Sevenoaks to West Hampstead
5J83 12+57 West Hampstead to Cricklewood depot
5A25 15+55 Cricklewood depot to West Hampstead
2L25 16.05 West Hampstead to Orpington
2H41 17.34 Orpington to Luton
2V33 19.22 Luton to Sutton
2V34 21.12 Sutton to St Albans
5J34 22+34 St Albans to Cricklewood depot via Centre Sidings

TB432
NOT IN TRAFFIC

TB433
5S57 04+14 Cricklewood depot to Sevenoaks
2E57 05.40 Sevenoaks to St Albans
5K21 07+33 St Albans to St Albans via Centre Sidings
2O21 07.52 St Albans to Sutton
2O22 09.11 Sutton to Luton
2V51 11.14 Luton to Sutton
2V52 13.08 Sutton to St Albans
5K77 14+29 St Albans to St Albans via Centre Sidings
2O77 14.44 St Albans to Sutton
2O78 16.07 Sutton to Luton
2O23 18.06 Luton to Sutton
2O24 19.37 Sutton to Luton
2V53 21.50 Luton to Sutton
5V53 23+38 Sutton to Blackfriars
2G01 00+13 Blackfriars to Bedford
5G02 01+44 Bedford to Bedford CS

TB434
5G13 06+06 Bedford CS to Bedford
1O13 06.22 Bedford to Sutton
2O14 08.10 Sutton to Luton
2V43 10.22 Luton to Sutton
2V44 12.08 Sutton to St Albans
5K69 13+29 St Albans to St Albans via Centre Sidings
2O69 13.44 St Albans to Sutton
2O70 15.07 Sutton to Luton
2V17 17.18 Luton to Sutton
2V18 19.08 Sutton to St Albans
5J18 20+31 St Albans to Cricklewood depot via Centre Sidings

TB435
NOT IN TRAFFIC

TB436
5G05 05+00 Bedford CS to Bedford
1W05 05.18 Bedford to Brighton
1W86 08.00 Brighton to Bedford
2W31 10.54 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W40 13.29 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W47 16.08 Bedford to Brighton
1W58 19.05 Brighton to Bedford
5G58 21+45 Bedford to Bedford CS

TB437
NOT IN TRAFFIC

TB438
NOT IN TRAFFIC

TB439
5G07 05+48 Bedford CS to Bedford
1W07 06.00 Bedford to Brighton
1W16 08.33 Brighton to Bedford
2W33 11.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W42 13.59 Three Bridges to Bedford
2W53 16.40 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W60 19.11 Three Bridges to Bedford
5G71 21+24 Bedford to Bedford via North end Siding
1W71 21.52 Bedford to Brighton
5W71 00+44 Brighton to Three Bridges depot

TB440
NOT IN TRAFFIC

TB441
5Y03 04+20 Jowett Sidings to Bedford
1W03 04.46 Bedford to Brighton
1W12 07.48 Brighton to Bedford
1W25 10.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W36 13.35 Brighton to Bedford
1W49 16.26 Bedford to Brighton
1W60 19.33 Brighton to Bedford
5G60 22+15 Bedford to Bedford CS

TB501
5Y91 02+14 Jowett Sidings to Bedford
2W91 Bedford to Brighton
1B00 05.47 Brighton to London Bridge
1B05 07.12 London Bridge to Brighton
1B10 08.27 Brighton to London Bridge
1B15 09.42 London Bridge to Brighton
1B22 11.02 Brighton to London Bridge
1B25 12.12 London Bridge to Brighton
5B25 13+29 Brighton to Down Yard
5B38 14+42 Down Yard to Brighton
1B38 15.02 Brighton to London Bridge
1B41 16.12 London Bridge to Brighton
1B48 17.32 Brighton to London Bridge
1B51 18.43 London Bridge to Brighton
5W51 20+06 Brighton to Three Bridges depot

TB502
5W93 05+09 Three Bridges depot to Three Bridges
2W94 05.20 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W13 07.34 Bedford to Brighton
1W24 10.35 Brighton to Bedford
2W41 13.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
1W92 15.59 Three Bridges to Bedford
2W61 18.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W66 20.43 Three Bridges to Bedford
5Y68 23+00 Bedford to Jowett Sidings

TB503
5Y11 06+32 Jowett Sidings to Bedford
1W11 06.58 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W22 09.11 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W29 11.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W40 14.35 Brighton to Bedford
2W57 17.20 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W62 19.43 Three Bridges to Bedford
5U62 22+00 Bedford to Cauldwell depot

TB504
5W02 05+07 Down Yard to Brighton
1W02 05.30 Brighton to Bedford
2W21 08.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W30 10.59 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W37 13.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W96 16.35 Brighton to Bedford
5Y96 19+03 Bedford to Jowett Sidings

TB505
2W84 01.13 Three Bridges to Bedford
5W84 03+48 Bedford to Jowett Sidings
5Y84 04+01 Jowett Sidings to Bedford
1W01 04.16 Bedford to Brighton
1W82 07.22 Brighton to Bedford
1W23 10.10 Bedford to Brighton
1W34 13.05 Brighton to Bedford
1W45 15.50 Bedford to Brighton
1W56 18.35 Brighton to Bedford
5Y69 21+14 Bedford to Bedford via Jowett Sidings
1W69 21.40 Bedford to Brighton
5W69 00+25 Brighton to Down Yard

TB506
5W06 05+20 Three Bridges depot to Brighton
1W06 06.06 Brighton to Bedford
2W23 08.54 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W32 11.29 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W39 14.10 Bedford to Brighton
1W80 17.01 Brighton to Bedford
5Y80 19+33 Bedford to Jowett Sidings

TB507
5Y93 07+04 Jowett Sidings to Bedford
1W93 07.30 Bedford to Brighton
1W22 10.05 Brighton to Bedford
2W39 12.54 Bedford to Three Bridges
5W48 15+09 Three Bridges to Three Bridges via depot shunt move
2W48 15.29 Three Bridges to Bedford
2W59 18.00 Bedford to Gatwick
2W64 20.18 Gatwick to Bedfor d
2W79 22.40 Bedford to Three Bridges

TB508
5G85 05+45 Cauldwell depot to Bedford
1W85 06.18 Bedford to Brighton
1W18 09.05 Brighton to Bedford
2W35 11.54 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W44 14.29 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W51 17.08 Bedford to Brighton
1W62 20.03 Brighton to Bedford
2W81 23.10 Bedford to Three Bridges
5W81 01+36 Three Bridges to Three Bridges depot

TB509
3A76 03+22 Cricklewood depot to St Pancras
1A76 03.50 St Pancras to Bedford
5Y76 05+05 Bedford to Jowett Sidings
5Y19 07+22 Jowett Sidings to Bedford
2W19 07.48 Bedford to Gatwick
2W26 10.08 Gatwick to Bedford
1W33 12.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W90 15.35 Brighton to Bedford
1W55 18.10 Bedford to Brighton
1W66 21.05 Brighton to Bedford
5Y66 23+50 Bedford to Jowett Sidings

TB510
5Y02 03+14 Jowett Sidings to Bedford
2W03 03.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W80 06.57 Brighton to Bedford
1W21 09.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W32 12.35 Brighton to Bedford
2W49 15.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
1W84 18.07 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W65 20.40 Bedford to Brighton
2W80 23.37 Brighton to Bedford
5Y80 02+43 Bedford to Jowett Sidings

TB511
5Y87 01+08 Jowett Sidings to Bedford
2W87 01.40 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W90 04.14 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W89 06.54 Bedford to Brighton
1W20 09.35 Brighton to Bedford
5Y35 12+15 Bedford to Bedford via Jowett Sidings shunt move
1W35 13.10 Bedford to Brighton
1W94 16.02 Brighton to Bedford
1W57 18.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W68 21.31 Brighton to Bedford
5J68 00+22 Bedford to Cricklewood Depot

 

[J-2739]

Thanks for the time and effort!!

Unfortunately, my service (1W41 I think) doesn't appear to be operated by the 700s,which means I'll have to stick to a 377.

Oh well.

 

[class387]

Thanks for the time and effort!!

Unfortunately, my service (1W41 I think) doesn't appear to be operated by the 700s,which means I'll have to stick to a 377.

Oh well.

You could just adjust your journey by +/-15 minutes and it will most likely be a 700 - it's unlikely that there would be two consecutive 377s.

A 377 is probably more comfortable though.

 

[Trainspotter74]

You could just adjust your journey by +/-15 minutes and it will most likely be a 700 - it's unlikely that there would be two consecutive 377s.

A 377 is probably more comfortable though.

That is right. Is it possible that you could have two or three consecutive 377s but very unlikely and the services 15 minutes before and after 1W41 are both 700s as far as I am aware. Unless they are put onto other routes it appears that there won't be that many 377s in service next week. After studying the very informative post by 'Class 466' it appears that a number of services which 377s had run for weeks such as 1W25 and 2W31 will now be 700s.

In my opinion 377s are more comfortable particularly in the front and rear coaches where seating is 2x2 with tables.

 

[387star]

That is right. Is it possible that you could have two or three consecutive 377s but very unlikely and the services 15 minutes before and after 1W41 are both 700s as far as I am aware. Unless they are put onto other routes it appears that there won't be that many 377s in service next week. After studying the very informative post by 'Class 466' it appears that a number of services which 377s had run for weeks such as 1W25 and 2W31 will now be 700s.

In my opinion 377s are more comfortable particularly in the front and rear coaches where seating is 2x2 with tables.

Yes those coaches on 377s are as good as it gets

 

[Alteran Ancient]

A further increase in 700 diagrams this weekend sees 377509-512 leave ThamesLink.

Are 377509-512 simply going off-lease for now, or are they bring transferred over to Southeastern to join 501-508? They could really use them.

On another point, I was on on of the SE BFR to RTR evening peak services this week, and when I stepped off at Bromley, I noticed a TL driver operating the 465+466 with an SE DM in the fold-down seat. And we had a guard too at the back of the train - probably a rarity for TL drivers. I'm guessing this is a part of driver training for Gillingham Depot.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Not today they aint, there's a 700 out on the Sevenoaks circuit today

 

[ComUtoR]

I noticed a TL driver operating the 465+466 with an SE DM in the fold-down seat.

As you recognised them as an SE DM do you know who it was or which depot the DM was from ?

I'm guessing this is a part of driver training for Gillingham Depot.

Not sure but TL Trainees on SE side wear SE uniform. There are a few out currently with SE DI's

As it was a TL Driver then maybe one of their DI's are being seconded to Gill Depot ? This could have been a traction assessment ride.

 

[387star]

Tl related but briefly off topic. .

Are 3 and 4 platforms at black friars not worthy of new screens ?

 

[physics34]

Are 377509-512 simply going off-lease for now, or are they bring transferred over to Southeastern to join 501-508? They could really use them.

come on, surely somebody knows

I believe there are still storage issues on SE side....im not sure there is much room at southern depot to keep them, or keep moving them from Selhurst for maintenance as 377501-508 do now.

Questions after the Gibb report still remain regarding whether the 313s will go off lease early to be replaced by 377s.

 

[Alteran Ancient]

As you recognised them as an SE DM do you know who it was or which depot the DM was from ?

I couldn't say specifically - I can spot uniform from a glance, but whether the chap was a DI or DM, I couldn't be completely certain. He looked the part, though.

 

[ComUtoR]

I couldn't say specifically - I can spot uniform from a glance, but whether the chap was a DI or DM, I couldn't be completely certain. He looked the part, though.

SE DM's don't wear uniform. So a non uniform guy with a TL Driver/Trainee sounds like a DM. Why, I'm not sure. I'll stick with my original guess and I'll ask about.

 

[F Great Eastern]

I was at Blackfriars Saturday and agree with what was said a few posts back, but also the mens toilets on the St Pauls side are a disgrace. 30p to enter and only two cubicles, one of which was out of order and the other of which had a cone in it and a blocked toilet.

Maybe me but I think it's pretty wrong to charge 30p in those situations?

I was on a couple of 700s, lovely trains mechanically, nice bright and airy, fast doors, good PIS (worked flawlessly for me!) and the acceleration is so smooth and the train moves so damn well, it's a shame that the DFT however specified no arm-rests and the standard airline seats are so close together, it ruins what could be a good train.

I actually think the Desiro City is an excellent product, unfortunately the spec that was ordered by the DFT, whilst you could see what they were trying to do, went too far towards cramming so many people in as they could.

 

[ScotGG]

come on, surely somebody knows

I believe there are still storage issues on SE side....im not sure there is much room at southern depot to keep them, or keep moving them from Selhurst for maintenance as 377501-508 do now.

Questions after the Gibb report still remain regarding whether the 313s will go off lease early to be replaced by 377s.

The Gibb report states SE could easily accommodate the four 377/5s but the DfT havn't signed it off. To accommodate all 20 377/5s would cost £2 million. Only obstacle again is the DfT

 

[physics34]

I was on a couple of 700s, lovely trains mechanically, nice bright and airy, fast doors, good PIS (worked flawlessly for me!) and the acceleration is so smooth and the train moves so damn well, it's a shame that the DFT however specified no arm-rests and the standard airline seats are so close together, it ruins what could be a good train.

I actually think the Desiro City is an excellent product, unfortunately the spec that was ordered by the DFT, whilst you could see what they were trying to do, went too far towards cramming so many people in as they could.

Annoyingly these points were raised when the mock up was displayed so there was plenty of time for the spec to be altered.

 

[physics34]

The Gibb report states SE could easily accommodate the four 377/5s but the DfT havn't signed it off. To accommodate all 20 377/5s would cost £2 million. Only obstacle again is the DfT

A small price to pay really

 

[F Great Eastern]

Annoyingly these points were raised when the mock up was displayed so there was plenty of time for the spec to be altered.

It's another illustration for me of why the DFT should not be as involved in train projects as they are these days, look at the two projects that they handled, both many many years late, poor value for money and poorly executed and unfit for purpose.

But as usual they will privatise the blame and nationalise any praise that results from it.

 

[physics34]

It's another illustration for me of why the DFT should not be as involved in train projects as they are these days, look at the two projects that they handled, both many many years late, poor value for money and poorly executed and unfit for purpose.

But as usual they will privatise the blame and nationalise any praise that results from it.

yeh, well i dont think there is a single person/department/office that even considers passenger comfort and experience or even train ambience. Has anyone high up in the DfT sat on the 700 seat by the window for 2 hours, or the 387 seats for 90 mins?

 

[spark001uk]

Couple of questions whilst riding a few of these today.
1. I've noticed they're tending to put FLU on the Bridges and RLU on the Brightons now, was this originally the intention and they only did it the other way round before they had enough RLU?
2. AC sockets tripped - can they be reset from cab, or does it require coming into the particular carriage? Just wondered.

 

[westcoaster]

Couple of questions whilst riding a few of these today.
1. I've noticed they're tending to put FLU on the Bridges and RLU on the Brightons now, was this originally the intention and they only did it the other way round before they had enough RLU?
2. AC sockets tripped - can they be reset from cab, or does it require coming into the particular carriage? Just wondered.

The way the diagrams work is a unit will go Bedford-brighton-Bedford-three bridges- Bedford and around again. So units come from one to the other.
They can not be reset from the cab or by the driver.