And that won't even include the Prime Minister, who will also be forced to seek alternative travel arrangements....
...by the way, screw you guys as I've got a union issued press card!
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I'm guessing that passengers inconvenienced by this will be directed to travel via Haywards Heath, given GTR's track record
just recieved a staff brief.
TAttenhams and caterhams will now not be included in the Thameslink proposals from 2018.
A Luton to Rainham via Dartford service will be introduced instead.
I guess this clears up some lesser stock requirements at Southeastern, and accounts for SOuthern needing the 377/5s.
TAttenhams and caterhams will now not be included in the Thameslink proposals from 2018.
A Luton to Rainham via Dartford service will be introduced instead.
I guess this clears up some lesser stock requirements at Southeastern, and accounts for SOuthern needing the 377/5s.
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Off-topic, but surely the person could just go the other way (to Portslade or Shoreham-by-sea) and double back on themselves?
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So would Hatfield, WGC etc not be served by off-peak Thameslink services?
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The 4tph to WGC (8-car 700) was always only going to be a peak service.
Cambridge to Maidstone East via London Bridge.
Yes.
All day services will be Cambridge - London (you know, Foxton, Ashwell, Welwyn North, Hatfield etc) will be provided 2tph. The peak time there will be the 2tph Welwyn Garden - London fast from New Southgate to Finsbury.
Cambridge to Brighton semi fast too.
trainmania100
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Does anyone know if the 5W59 Bedford engineers sdgs to lovers walk is a 700 I'm not sure what even went to Bedford engineers sdigins that was Thameslink...
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I also understand Maidstone East - Cambridge Via LBG will be an all day runner now... Good to see the SE routes actually benefiting from this now...
Also, the Luton - Rainham services should run via Greenwich to provide stations along that route an alternative to just Cannon Street.
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Peter Sarf
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Regarding the withdrawal of plans for the Tattenham/Caterham Thameslink services. I had wondered in the past why the Southern was favoured so much in the Thameslink plans. Good for me though. But it did occur to me that it would make the service through the core more resilient if fewer routes South of the Thames fed into the core. Bang goes that theory then !. I am also left wondering whether this makes the Bermondsey dive-under less of an advantage ?.
Its a bit like the Sutton/Wimbledon loop services that were to terminate at Blackfriars now being allowed to cross over to the through platforms for access to the core. That made the re-arranging of the through platforms at Blackfriars less of a benefit.
With my conspiracy theory engine starting up I realise eventually it will be decided that the Sutton/Wimbledon loop services will revert to terminating at Blackfriars to the benefit of Tattenham/Caterham. That would simplify risk but I suppose the current dividing/joining at Purley might be more attractive (I mean its not going to happen with 8-car 700s).
Its a bit like the Sutton/Wimbledon loop services that were to terminate at Blackfriars now being allowed to cross over to the through platforms for access to the core. That made the re-arranging of the through platforms at Blackfriars less of a benefit.
With my conspiracy theory engine starting up I realise eventually it will be decided that the Sutton/Wimbledon loop services will revert to terminating at Blackfriars to the benefit of Tattenham/Caterham. That would simplify risk but I suppose the current dividing/joining at Purley might be more attractive (I mean its not going to happen with 8-car 700s).
As someone has mentioned on another thread, it paves the way for Tattenham and Caterham to be part of the TfL plans now.
What i think this does do though is decrease the spare capacity at London Bridge (terminating platforms) as the All day Tatts and peak Cats will now have to use platforms 10-16.
Yeh i expect the dividing and joining at purley to remain, which is sensible really.
There is mention in the brief also of MAJOR alterations to the southern metro timetable including new routes, increased frequency and better turnaround times... once again i think this paves the way for TfL to take over.
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Yep, Rainham via Abbey Wood, Greenwich, Dartford and Rochester.
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Peter Sarf
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Oh yes, of course, I forgot all about the TfL plans !. I was ignoring them until they were more solid. You're so right about the capacity re terminating platforms at London Bridge. Although perhaps, instead, there will be capacity through to Charing Cross with a few less North Kent line services going there ?. Not sure what that does to capacity on the Eastern approaches to London Bridge though.
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8tph (OFF PEAK)
Blackfriars to Sevenoaks
Kentish Town to Orpington
St Albans to Sutton (via Wimbledon)
St Albans to Wimbledon (via Sutton)
yes, stopping service
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387. Lovers Walk is planned to see any 700s.
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I think it actually means the Bermondsey dive under will get more use than planned, because in the most recent proposals there were no services planned to run from Thameslink through London Bridge onto the Southeastern route. The northern of the four tracks through the dive under would have been almost redundant on the franchise award version of the 2018 route map.
There have been so many timetable versions I can't recall the dates of all the changes, but a Thameslink service through London Bridge towards the SE routes was in most earlier plans and fell out not that long ago, indeed originally the ratio between London Bridge and Elephant & Castle was different, at 18:6, rather than the recent 16:8...
At one stage back when the Wimbledon loop was out of the question I'm sure there were 10 services from Southeastern origins and 14 from Southern origins.
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I'd love to see how that works in the timetable around Spa Road / North Kent East Junctions.
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Its interesting that its a joint GTR/SE proposal to the DfT/NR.
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It should mean the Bricklayers Arms ramp gets used?
PS - I've asked the mods if all this recent timetable discussion should be moved to the similar thread that is developing in the right forum...
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westcoaster
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More than likely jowett sidings to lovers walk (8 car failed units).
Almost like Govia have rather too much control of the London rail network
Does these running to St Albans rather than Luton mean that Harpenden, Luton Airport Parkway and Luton lose out on trains they previously had?
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Last night 110/113 plus an 8-car in HE and two sets in Ferme Park.
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10.02 & 12.32 Brighton - London Bridge and returns from next week is the claim from Three Bridges
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