TfW Class 67+Mk4 sets: trip planning/experiences, diagram updates etc

[BillStampy]

I've never been sure what they do on weekends - the TfW information doesn't seem to suggest anything different to weekdays, but then it also claims that there is zero catering in standard class so I don't trust it very much.

In an ideal world the catering would be identical to weekdays on weekends, including Sundays would be nice. It's very inconsistent whether you'll have a chef onboard for Saturdays and it's currently not possible on Sundays. Speaking on Sundays, if a chef service was introduced on a Sunday, 1W56 wouldn't have a chef until Newport and 1V18 would lose the chef at Newport too, it's not great.

 

[MP393]

Had an amusing experience yesterday - after planning my travel based on what should have been Mk4s, and checking on RealTimeTrains that it actually was, when I turned up at the station the screens were warning of a 3 car train with no first class and reduced catering. Though the train diagram showed 5 coaches.

Fortunately RTT was right and they were wrong which was a nice surprise after the less welcome one.

How is the catering done at the moment? The buffet counter was closed but people were being served from a trolley next to it. It looked as if people in first class were being served something from the kitchen though.

I've never been sure what they do on weekends - the TfW information doesn't seem to suggest anything different to weekdays, but then it also claims that there is zero catering in standard class so I don't trust it very much.

There is a bit of a shortage of Mk4 catering staff at the moment, especially at the north end so if a train can’t be covered by a Manchester or Newport host then they attempt to source a trolley host from Shrewsbury to work the train when possible.

 

[AdamWW]

In an ideal world the catering would be identical to weekdays on weekends, including Sundays would be nice. It's very inconsistent whether you'll have a chef onboard for Saturdays and it's currently not possible on Sundays. Speaking on Sundays, if a chef service was introduced on a Sunday, 1W56 wouldn't have a chef until Newport and 1V18 would lose the chef at Newport too, it's not great.

Thanks.

That's far more useful than anything I've been able to find out officially.

Personally I'd find it more useful on the train yesterday if instead of just announcing that there were only light snacks available they'd said that there should have been full catering but that they weren't able to offer it.

I don't really care if they apologise of not - I just find it useful to know what the situation is.

OK so they've avoided having to give a negative impression but it makes me think that they don't ever do full catering on that train - and that I can't trust the information on their journey planner.

 

[Jez]

A chef on the Sunday service would be nice. Especially at the 0930 from Manchester-Swansea is the only time the catering staff go all the way to Swansea and then on the 1455 from Swansea too.

I think its poor Swansea dont even get 1 return working now on weekdays, just the morning service to Manchester. And over a year after the evening working was withdrawn there is no sign of it returning. Its even in the long term timetable still. I just a random search for 11th May and its showing as 1630 Manchester to Swansea on RTT. They either need to withdraw it permanently or reinstate it to Swansea.

Its a very poor service for Swansea passengers, its a good job I like the 197s!

 

[SaltAndVinegar]

A chef on the Sunday service would be nice. Especially at the 0930 from Manchester-Swansea is the only time the catering staff go all the way to Swansea and then on the 1455 from Swansea too.

I think its poor Swansea dont even get 1 return working now on weekdays, just the morning service to Manchester. And over a year after the evening working was withdrawn there is no sign of it returning. Its even in the long term timetable still. I just a random search for 11th May and its showing as 1630 Manchester to Swansea on RTT. They either need to withdraw it permanently or reinstate it to Swansea.

It’s a very poor service for Swansea passengers, it’s a good job I like the 197s!

I keep managing to purchase mid-week First advances through to Swansea for 1V50. Find it frustrating how even when it’s a unit, they don’t reinstate CDF-SWA portion. Wish they’d reinstate or scrap it like you say, just for some added certainty with travel plans.

 

[Class 466]

A chef on the Sunday service would be nice. Especially at the 0930 from Manchester-Swansea is the only time the catering staff go all the way to Swansea and then on the 1455 from Swansea too.

I think its poor Swansea dont even get 1 return working now on weekdays, just the morning service to Manchester. And over a year after the evening working was withdrawn there is no sign of it returning. Its even in the long term timetable still. I just a random search for 11th May and its showing as 1630 Manchester to Swansea on RTT. They either need to withdraw it permanently or reinstate it to Swansea.

Its a very poor service for Swansea passengers, its a good job I like the 197s!

Looks like it won’t run through for a long while yet - cut back to Cardiff all the way into July now.

 

[Welshguy1048]

Afternoon

Will 1W96 tonight be loco or DVT leading from Chester please ?

Thank you

Dave

 

[FrodshamJnct]

Afternoon

Will 1W96 tonight be loco or DVT leading from Chester please ?

Thank you

Dave

Loco 67020

 

[Welshguy1048]

Loco 67020

@FrodshamJnct

Thank you

Dave

 

[ojb_455850]

Not a good morning for the 67s+Mk4s... 67020+HD04 failed on prep this morning, and 67013+HD02 failed at Piccadilly on 1V37 – 1Z99 currently en route passing Ardwick. 197121 now covering the rest of 67013+HD02's diagram. 1W96 this evening will be 197 vice no doubt!

 

[ojb_455850]

Not a good morning for the 67s+Mk4s... 67020+HD04 failed on prep this morning, and 67013+HD02 failed at Piccadilly on 1V37 – 1Z99 currently en route passing Ardwick. 197121 now covering the rest of 67013+HD02's diagram. 1W96 this evening will be 197 vice no doubt!

Brake fault on 82220.

 

[Topological]

I ended up on 1v33 this morning. Delayed by another train apparently. There seemed to be more students for Hereford College than when I used to take that train before Covid. Had my 4 table to myself nonetheless.

Seems I have been lucky this week with my Mk4 journeys.

 

[37052 xb mr]

1V39 & 1V42 Crewe via Chester
Points failure Nantwich

 

[sd0733]

Brake fault on 82220.

It was a fault on the loco and itll be swapped off tonight ready for the morning.

67020 also dud and its planned for 67016 to head to Holyhead later to get the set back to Crewe tomorrow.

Very rare these days to have issues like this so having to have 2 rescue locos out isnt great!

 

[ojb_455850]

Flipping heck... yeah that isn't great! Presumably 010 will go on HD02 tonight and kick out on one of the diagrams off Crewe tomorrow?

It was a fault on the loco and itll be swapped off tonight ready for the morning.

67020 also dud and its planned for 67016 to head to Holyhead later to get the set back to Crewe tomorrow.

Very rare these days to have issues like this so having to have 2 rescue locos out isnt great!

 

[Welshguy1048]

Filmed at Prestatyn, North Wales

15/04/26 - TfW Class 67 - 67016 - Light Locomotive - Crewe T.M.D. (E) to Holyhead

 

[sd0733]

Flipping heck... yeah that isn't great! Presumably 010 will go on HD02 tonight and kick out on one of the diagrams off Crewe tomorrow?

Yes thats right. With HD01 on exam, 03 on repair now and 04 on its move to Crewe it does mean the start with the first Cardiff departure will be a 197 as only 4 available sets.

 

[ojb_455850]

Yes thats right. With HD01 on exam, 03 on repair now and 04 on its move to Crewe it does mean the start with the first Cardiff departure will be a 197 as only 4 available sets.

Cheers, thought that. At least that doesn't affect my plans for tomorrow massively.

 

[BillStampy]

Yes thats right. With HD01 on exam, 03 on repair now and 04 on its move to Crewe it does mean the start with the first Cardiff departure will be a 197 as only 4 available sets.

Will 016 get its chance to see the light of day and go on HD04 when it gets back or am I asking for too much?

 

[sd0733]

Will 016 get its chance to see the light of day and go on HD04 when it gets back or am I asking for too much?

It seems to be on the naughty step. Its lucky got a day at the Sea today, itsgot a Crewe postcode that one!

 

[BillStampy]

It seems to be on the naughty step. Its lucky got a day at the Sea today, itsgot a Crewe postcode that one!

Hasn't been on a passenger run in months!

 

[sd0733]

Hasn't been on a passenger run in months!

No! I believe its got some issues with its fuelling system so it cant take a full tank of fuel without leaking.

 

[ojb_455850]

Great... 1V33 etc 197120! Any chance a Mk4 will carry on 1W61 from Crewe? Or will both Canton finishes tonight be 197 vice, unless a 197 works 1W96 or 1W65 vice Mk4?

 

[FrodshamJnct]

Today’s plan (67013 has been fixed)

TFW 67 & Mk4 diagrams
Expected as - Subject to Change

Thursday 16th April
——————————————————————
D1 - 67025 Set HD05 (Loco CDF end)

1V91 05.27 Holyhead - Cardiff 09.58 
1W57 10.53 Cardiff - Manchester 14.13
1V46 14.30 Manchester - Cardiff 17.44
1W65 18.53 Cardiff - Manchester 22.21

*Set Turns Via WBQ*
(5K65 ECS 22.30 MAN - CRE 23.41)

——————————————————————
D2 - *UNIT* 197101

1W11 04.33 Cardiff - Manchester 08.13
1V37 08.30 Manchester - Cardiff 11.38
1V39 12.54 Cardiff - Manchester 16.13
1V50 16.30 Manchester - Cardiff 19.46

——————————————————————
D3 - 67008 Set HD06 (Loco CDF end)

(5W13 ECS 04.07 CDF CS - SWA 05.20)

1W13 05.43 Swansea - Manchester 10.13
1V39 10.30 Manchester - Cardiff 13.53
1W96 17.22 Cardiff - Holyhead 22.06

——————————————————————
D4 - 67029 Set HD07 (Loco MAN* end)

*Via Chester* set turns*
1V31 04.36 Crewe - Cardiff 07.45
1W55 08.53 Cardiff - Manchester 12.13
1V42 12.30 Manchester - Cardiff 15.45 
1W63 16.53 Cardiff - Manchester 20.14

*Via Styal*
(5K70 ECS 20.24 MAN - CRE CS 21.09)

——————————————————————
D5 - 67013 Set HD02 (Loco CDF end)

*After Set Turns Via WBQ*
(5V33 ECS 05.13 CRE CS - MAN 06.23)

1V33 06.27 Manchester - Cardiff 09.52 
1W61 14.50 Cardiff - Manchester 18.13
1V62 18.30 Manchester - Cardiff 21.55

——————————————————————

 

[37052 xb mr]

Today’s plan (67013 has been fixed)

TFW 67 & Mk4 diagrams
Expected as - Subject to Change

Thursday 16th April
——————————————————————
D1 - 67025 Set HD05 (Loco CDF end)

1V91 05.27 Holyhead - Cardiff 09.58 
1W57 10.53 Cardiff - Manchester 14.13
1V46 14.30 Manchester - Cardiff 17.44
1W65 18.53 Cardiff - Manchester 22.21

*Set Turns Via WBQ*
(5K65 ECS 22.30 MAN - CRE 23.41)

——————————————————————
D2 - *UNIT* 197101

1W11 04.33 Cardiff - Manchester 08.13
1V37 08.30 Manchester - Cardiff 11.38
1V39 12.54 Cardiff - Manchester 16.13
1V50 16.30 Manchester - Cardiff 19.46

——————————————————————
D3 - 67008 Set HD06 (Loco CDF end)

(5W13 ECS 04.07 CDF CS - SWA 05.20)

1W13 05.43 Swansea - Manchester 10.13
1V39 10.30 Manchester - Cardiff 13.53
1W96 17.22 Cardiff - Holyhead 22.06

——————————————————————
D4 - 67029 Set HD07 (Loco MAN* end)

*Via Chester* set turns*
1V31 04.36 Crewe - Cardiff 07.45
1W55 08.53 Cardiff - Manchester 12.13
1V42 12.30 Manchester - Cardiff 15.45 
1W63 16.53 Cardiff - Manchester 20.14

*Via Styal*
(5K70 ECS 20.24 MAN - CRE CS 21.09)

——————————————————————
D5 - 67013 Set HD02 (Loco CDF end)

*After Set Turns Via WBQ*
(5V33 ECS 05.13 CRE CS - MAN 06.23)

1V33 06.27 Manchester - Cardiff 09.52 
1W61 14.50 Cardiff - Manchester 18.13
1V62 18.30 Manchester - Cardiff 21.55

——————————————————————

013 Set HD02 didn’t make it

 

[ojb_455850]

16/04/2026

67008+HD06
1W13 05:43 SWA - MAN
1V39 10:30 MAN - CDF
1W96 17:22 CDF - HHD

67025+HD05
1V91 05:27 HHD - CDF
1W61 14:50 CDF - MAN
1V62 18:30 MAN - CDF

67029+HD04
1V31 04:34 CRE - CDF
1W55 08:53 CDF - MAN
1V42 12:30 MAN - CDF
1W63 16:53 CDF - MAN

 

[37052 xb mr]

67016 Set 4 67020

Realtime Trains | 5Z67 1515 Holyhead to Crewe C.S. | 16/04/2026

Real-time train running information for 5Z67 1515 departure from Holyhead to Crewe C.S. on 16/04/2026. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[37052 xb mr]

Manchester services being
Affected by OHL problems
1W55 Turning at Wilmslow

 

[ojb_455850]

Manchester services being
Affected by OHL problems
1W55 Turning at Wilmslow

1W61 scheduled to terminate at Wilmslow, where 1V62 will start. 1W63 also terminating at Wilmslow.

 

[sd0733]

1W61 scheduled to terminate at Wimslow, where 1V62 will start. 1W63 also terminating at Wilmslow.

Looks likely to be the case all day now until end of service.