TfW Class 67+Mk4 sets: trip planning/experiences, diagram updates etc

[37052 xb mr]

Oh dear, not great.
EDIT: What issue is being caused by the DVT considering it's on the South End? (supposedly)

Its leading

 

[BillStampy]

Its leading

Oh yes silly me, I think I'm a bit tired. I read the locomotive on the Cardiff end and clearly my mind isn't thinking straight!

 

[Welshguy1048]

@sd0733
@37052 xb mr
@MP393
@BillStampy

Afternoon

Realtime Trains | 0T14 0730 Crewe C.S. to Holyhead Car. M.D. | 06/10/2025

Real-time train running information for 0T14 0730 departure from Crewe C.S. to Holyhead Car. M.D. on 06/10/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Is this 014 heading to Holyhead tomorrow ?

Has 029 had a problem over the weekend ?

Thank you

Dave

 

[37052 xb mr]

@sd0733
@37052 xb mr
@MP393
@BillStampy

Afternoon

Realtime Trains | 0T14 0730 Crewe C.S. to Holyhead Car. M.D. | 06/10/2025

Real-time train running information for 0T14 0730 departure from Crewe C.S. to Holyhead Car. M.D. on 06/10/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Is this 014 heading to Holyhead tomorrow ?

Has 029 had a problem over the weekend ?

Thank you

Dave

Yes failed A exam with wheel flats

 

[Welshguy1048]

Yes failed A exam with wheel flats

@37052 xb mr

Thank you

So 1V91 will be a unit in the morning ?

Dave

 

[FrodshamJnct]

@37052 xb mr

Thank you

So 1V91 will be a unit in the morning ?

Dave

Yes, between Holyhead and Chester. Possibly 67008 going on 1V91 from Chester.

 

[Welshguy1048]

Yes, between Holyhead and Chester. Possibly 67008 going on 1V91 from Chester.

@FrodshamJnct

Thank you

Appreciate all your help

Dave

 

[sd0733]

Yes, between Holyhead and Chester. Possibly 67008 going on 1V91 from Chester.

Won't be out at all now as no crew to prep the extra set.

 

[Jez]

Won't be out at all now as no crew to prep the extra set.

Will the rest of that diagram tomorrow also be a unit?

Are the other 4 diagrams (2 from Crewe, 2 from Canton) expected to run?

 

[sd0733]

Will the rest of that diagram tomorrow also be a unit?

Are the other 4 diagrams (2 from Crewe, 2 from Canton) expected to run?

Yes, expected to be a unit all day now.

All the others are planned out tomorrow.

 

[Topological]

Yes, expected to be a unit all day now.

All the others are planned out tomorrow.

Thanks as always

RTT still does not know what is forming the 04:32 from Cardiff (or 1W13 and my 1W12 for that matter). It is like the old days of not finding out until the train arrived

 

[Topological]

Answer was a 2-car, though the display at Pontypool was obviously seeing double:



ALT TEXT: Display from Pontypool and New Inn station showing the 06:18 to Manchester as being 4 carriages. It was 2.

Points failure at Shrewsbury means 1W13 will be the first train to make it to Manchester this morning. Good that the Mk4 sets are able to make the shunt across from the bays at Shrewsbury though. Presumably passengers have to get off those too. We had to get off 1W12 then hope to be able to get back onto the train again with all the others who joined at Shrewsbury. A bit better on a 5 carriage than a 2.

Hopefully they get the points fixed.

 

[craigybagel]

Answer was a 2-car, though the display at Pontypool was obviously seeing double:

View attachment 189761

ALT TEXT: Display from Pontypool and New Inn station showing the 06:18 to Manchester as being 4 carriages. It was 2.

Points failure at Shrewsbury means 1W13 will be the first train to make it to Manchester this morning. Good that the Mk4 sets are able to make the shunt across from the bays at Shrewsbury though. Presumably passengers have to get off those too. We had to get off 1W12 then hope to be able to get back onto the train again with all the others who joined at Shrewsbury. A bit better on a 5 carriage than a 2.

Hopefully they get the points fixed.

The MKIVs can't go in the bays, they won't fit. Also not cleared. Coming from Cardiff they can only go in 4 or down the through road.

 

[Topological]

The MKIVs can't go in the bays, they won't fit. Also not cleared. Coming from Cardiff they can only go in 4 or down the through road.

Do you know how they are getting the Mk4 through, or is platform 4 back open? It was not clear which point was impacted, since 1W12 did use the bay, and the local to Crewe was still being announced on 4.

RTT suggests 1W13 used 4, but was sat in Shrewsbury for long enough to have done the shunt.

 

[craigybagel]

Do you know how they are getting the Mk4 through, or is platform 4 back open? It was not clear which point was impacted, since 1W12 did use the bay, and the local to Crewe was still being announced on 4.

RTT suggests 1W13 used 4, but was sat in Shrewsbury for long enough to have done the shunt.

I've no idea I'm afraid, I wasn't around. But it's hard to see how it can have been anything other than 4.

 

[Aaron24]

I've no idea I'm afraid, I wasn't around. But it's hard to see how it can have been anything other than 4.

It didn't call Salop and used the through road but sat there for 15 minutes for some reason.

 

[MP393]

RTT suggests 1W13 used 4, but was sat in Shrewsbury for long enough to have done the shunt.

1W13 went through the middle at Shrewsbury. Couldn’t call there unfortunately, as the shunt can’t take place with a Mk4, partly as they aren’t cleared for the bays, and the other shunts weren’t available as line blockages would be required to changing ends. W13 changes both driver and guard at Shrewsbury so I imagine they were sorting arrangements for that.

 

[Aaron24]

Delete.

 

[craigybagel]

It didn't call Salop and used the through road but sat there for 15 minutes for some reason.

1W13 went through the middle at Shrewsbury. Couldn’t call there unfortunately, as the shunt can’t take place with a Mk4, partly as they aren’t cleared for the bays, and the other shunts weren’t available as line blockages would be required to changing ends. W13 changes both driver and guard at Shrewsbury so I imagine they were sorting arrangements for that.

Thanks, that would explain it. You can change crews on the through road if necessary but it's a bit of a faff, especially on the MKIVs.

 

[Topological]

Thanks for the explanation @MP393

Two weeks ago there were problems at Shrewsbury with the points, hopefully not off-topic to say that I hope the issues are fixable and wont be recurring regularly.

 

[Welshguy1048]

Afternoon

@sd0733
@37052 xb mr
@MP393
@BillStampy

Will 1W96 tonight be loco or DVT leading from Chester please ?

Thank you

Dave

 

[FrodshamJnct]

Afternoon

@sd0733
@37052 xb mr
@MP393
@BillStampy

Will 1W96 tonight be loco or DVT leading from Chester please ?

Thank you

Dave

Loco 67022 leading from Chester

 

[Aaron24]

Loco 67017 leading from Chester

67022

 

[Welshguy1048]

Loco 67022 leading from Chester

@FrodshamJnct

Thank you

Dave

 

[Jez]

RTT and live departures boards are showing the 1630 Manchester as going to Swansea. However it is showing the service divides at Cardiff Central which implies its being run by a pair of units. I assume this is an error and it is formed of a MK4 going to Cardiff as usual?

I checked RTT for tomorrow and its listed as Swansea again - normally its been amended by now.

 

[BillStampy]

RTT and live departures boards are showing the 1630 Manchester as going to Swansea. However it is showing the service divides at Cardiff Central which implies its being run by a pair of units. I assume this is an error and it is formed of a MK4 going to Cardiff as usual?

I checked RTT for tomorrow and its listed as Swansea again - normally its been amended by now.

Not great considering it's still listed as Swansea on stuff such as National Rail when it clearly isn't! TfW JourneyCheck doesn't have anything to say either!

 

[Jez]

Not great considering it's still listed as Swansea on stuff such as National Rail when it clearly isn't! TfW JourneyCheck doesn't have anything to say either!

Hopefully on board it is showing as the correct destination!

 

[37052 xb mr]

1V50 is 67013 Set HD07
RTT has an ECS path in from
Cardiff to Canton & not from Swansea, because it’s only going to Cardiff

 

[Amaranthe]

Afternoon

@sd0733
@37052 xb mr
@MP393
@BillStampy

Will 1W96 tonight be loco or DVT leading from Chester please ?

Thank you

Dave

Just joined it at Shrewsbury and chef no longer on board which is disappointing
I did get a coffee though.

 

[BillStampy]

1V50 is 67013 Set HD07
RTT has an ECS path in from
Cardiff to Canton & not from Swansea, because it’s only going to Cardiff

"This is due to a short-notice change to the timetable"
Someone's done a bit of a whoopsy then! Probably will be rectified for the future schedules.