TfW 175 shortages

[Andrew*Debbie]

175111 is in pieces there now, apparently has no engines.

Do you know if it is being cannibalised for parts?
Seems unlikely a 175 needing both engines out would go back in service with TfW

 

[978wta]

Do you know if it is being cannibalised for parts?
Seems unlikely a 175 needing both engines out would go back in service with TfW

111 is a parts donor at Longsight and has been there a while. From what I could see it’s missing 2 out of 3 engines, braking systems, coupling at one end and various other bits and pieces. Alstom Longsight are over hauling them in readiness for their return to the leasing company. There are currently 2 others in the maintenance shed.

 

[Jez]

judging by the review of the 197s in the current Modern Railways that may be about to become a more common experience.

I have read the review now in Modern Railways. Doesnt sound like the writer was overly impressed with the class 197! I look forward to trying one myself.

There is also an interesting article in Modern Railways about the marches line. It says that TFW are hoping by Spring to stop class 150s and 153s substitutions on the Marches. I assume by Spring they will be more confident of all MK4 diagrams running as well as more 197s in the North to have more 175s available for the Marches. Cant imagine it could be because 197s will appear by the Spring apart from perhaps on the Cardiff-Holyhead.

 

[craigybagel]

I have read the review now in Modern Railways. Doesnt sound like the writer was overly impressed with the class 197! I look forward to trying one myself.

There is also an interesting article in Modern Railways about the marches line. It says that TFW are hoping by Spring to stop class 150s and 153s substitutions on the Marches. I assume by Spring they will be more confident of all MK4 diagrams running as well as more 197s in the North to have more 175s available for the Marches. Cant imagine it could be because 197s will appear by the Spring apart from perhaps on the Cardiff-Holyhead.

Hope is for all 6 MKIV diagrams covered from May timetable change, which I assume is what they mean by "Spring".

 

[sd0733]

Hope is for all 6 MKIV diagrams covered from May timetable change, which I assume is what they mean by "Spring".

Looking likely the 6 Mk4 diagrams Will never start with HD08 being so heavily stripped its looking likely it'll be scrapped with the remaining parts being used as spares.
There would then be 5 diagrams from 7 instead of 6 from 8

 

[craigybagel]

Looking likely the 6 Mk4 diagrams Will never start with HD08 being so heavily stripped its looking likely it'll be scrapped with the remaining parts being used as spares.
There would then be 5 diagrams from 7 instead of 6 from 8

I thought they were being optimistic, but I didn't realise it was that optimistic.....

 

[43096]

Looking likely the 6 Mk4 diagrams Will never start with HD08 being so heavily stripped its looking likely it'll be scrapped with the remaining parts being used as spares.
There would then be 5 diagrams from 7 instead of 6 from 8

Don't forget the plan was 6 from 7. HD08 was a much later acquisition.

 

[craigybagel]

Don't forget the plan was 6 from 7. HD08 was a much later acquisition.

Indeed that's what I was going off when I said all 6 in service. But given how reliable they've been so far 5 from 7 might be more prudent.

 

[Jez]

Hope is for all 6 MKIV diagrams covered from May timetable change, which I assume is what they mean by "Spring".

I'd say the May TT change is late Spring. The article suggests stopping using 150/153 on the Marches BY Spring which I would say was MId to Late March.

 

[Express380]

I'd say the May TT change is late Spring. The article suggests stopping using 150/153 on the Marches BY Spring which I would say was MId to Late March.

I really can't see this happening considering how many 175s are out of service, how the Mk4s keep failing / not available for service, how there are not any 197s in use yet on the Marches and the biggest fact being there are booked sprinters daily up and down the route I would imagine this will take longer than March to sort out I reckon it will be at least May TT change if not longer

 

[CardiffKid]

There was a fire on a 3 car 175 this morning near Wrexham resulting in the cancellation of the what would have been the 0635 from Wrexham to Cardiff.

 

[Caaardiff]

It was a fire on one of a pair of 2 cars. Either 008 or 009

 

[SuperLuke2334]

It was a fire on one of a pair of 2 cars. Either 008 or 009

008. More info in the UK rail general section

 

[william.martin]

Today 2 158 booked diagrams have been worked by 175's and 1 158 booked diagram worked by them yesterday, surely this is part of the problem when they have a bunch of spare 158's on Abbey Forgate.

 

[Caaardiff]

Today 2 158 booked diagrams have been worked by 175's and 1 158 booked diagram worked by them yesterday, surely this is part of the problem when they have a bunch of spare 158's on Abbey Forgate.

How do you know they're spare?

 

[william.martin]

How do you know they're spare?

They are not booked any workings and have been sitting around all day.

 

[Jez]

Today 2 158 booked diagrams have been worked by 175's and 1 158 booked diagram worked by them yesterday, surely this is part of the problem when they have a bunch of spare 158's on Abbey Forgate.

Yes 1204 Cardiff to Carmarthen was worked by a 175 today. That's usually a Sprinter.

Haven't seen many 158s in the South recently. Just the odd one covering a Milford to Manchester.

 

[Anonymous10]

They are not booked any workings and have been sitting around all day.

Could be awaiting maintenance

 

[william.martin]

Yes 1204 Cardiff to Carmarthen was worked by a 175 today. That's usually a Sprinter.

Haven't seen many 158s in the South recently. Just the odd one covering a Milford to Manchester.

Yesterday the 175's were on Holyhead to Birmingham and Birmingham to Newton Powys services.
On Saturday it was 175113 spending the entire afternoon top and tailed by 158's making a stupid long 7 car train on the Cambrian as far as Newtown Powys (the 175 portion would of gone to Aberystwyth if it wasn't for engineering works.)

 

[Caaardiff]

They are not booked any workings and have been sitting around all day.

Broke maybe?

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Yesterday morning there were 4 x 175 in the sidings at Chester, three of which were 175/1. 197010 and 197002 were on MIA-LLD and 158826 on CTR-LIV.

Funny, that was the exact position on 175s on Feb 16 last week.
One had vanished by 1400, so not all broken.

 

[Andrew*Debbie]

Haven't seen many 158s in the South recently. Just the odd one covering a Milford to Manchester.

They must be 'up north'.


I started casual trainspotting in October, ticking off the numbers I see on my short daily comute. As of today I've seen all the Transport for Wales class 158s either at Bangor or Llanfairpwll.

I've got 21 of the 27 class 175s. Doubt I'm going to see all 27, even if I go to Holyhead to visit 175108.

Not seen by me:

002
104 in service -- Cardif Central(CDF) to Camarthen(CMN) today.
105 in service also CDF to CMN
108 Reported in this thread as parked at Holyhead, unlikely to return to service with TfW
111 parts donor, unlikely to return to service
113 in service. Chester to Llandudno this morning.

 

[L401CJF]

Not seen by me:

002
104 in service -- Cardif Central(CDF) to Camarthen(CMN) today.
105 in service also CDF to CMN
108 Reported in this thread as parked at Holyhead, unlikely to return to service with TfW
111 parts donor, unlikely to return to service
113 in service. Chester to Llandudno this morning.

There was one visible at the Stockport end of Longsight depot when I passed the other week - didnt see the number or whether it was a 2 or 3 car. Not sure if it was one of the donor units or whether it was just visiting for work/exam.

 

[Philip]

They must be 'up north'.


I started casual trainspotting in October, ticking off the numbers I see on my short daily comute. As of today I've seen all the Transport for Wales class 158s either at Bangor or Llanfairpwll.

I've got 21 of the 27 class 175s. Doubt I'm going to see all 27, even if I go to Holyhead to visit 175108.

Not seen by me:

002
104 in service -- Cardif Central(CDF) to Camarthen(CMN) today.
105 in service also CDF to CMN
108 Reported in this thread as parked at Holyhead, unlikely to return to service with TfW
111 parts donor, unlikely to return to service
113 in service. Chester to Llandudno this morning.

108 is in service today on the 09:25 Man Airport to Holyhead.
Also in service today: 001, 006, 007, 009 011, 106, 107, 109, 110, 112, 114, 116.

I think the one at Longsight is 111.

 

[Siemens Staines]

They must be 'up north'.


I started casual trainspotting in October, ticking off the numbers I see on my short daily comute. As of today I've seen all the Transport for Wales class 158s either at Bangor or Llanfairpwll.

I've got 21 of the 27 class 175s. Doubt I'm going to see all 27, even if I go to Holyhead to visit 175108.

Not seen by me:

002
104 in service -- Cardif Central(CDF) to Camarthen(CMN) today.
105 in service also CDF to CMN
108 Reported in this thread as parked at Holyhead, unlikely to return to service with TfW
111 parts donor, unlikely to return to service
113 in service. Chester to Llandudno this morning.

According to RTT 175002 was attached to 1D41 at Chester yesterday evening

Realtime Trains | 1D41 2136 Crewe to Holyhead | 20/02/2023

Real-time train running information for 1D41 2136 departure from Crewe to Holyhead on 20/02/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[Llanigraham]

Yesterday the 175's were on Holyhead to Birmingham and Birmingham to Newton Powys services.
On Saturday it was 175113 spending the entire afternoon top and tailed by 158's making a stupid long 7 car train on the Cambrian as far as Newtown Powys (the 175 portion would of gone to Aberystwyth if it wasn't for engineering works.)

Since no 175s appear to be ERTMS equipped it would not be able to get there on its own.

 

[Jez]

They must be 'up north'.


I started casual trainspotting in October, ticking off the numbers I see on my short daily comute. As of today I've seen all the Transport for Wales class 158s either at Bangor or Llanfairpwll.

I've got 21 of the 27 class 175s. Doubt I'm going to see all 27, even if I go to Holyhead to visit 175108.

Not seen by me:

002
104 in service -- Cardif Central(CDF) to Camarthen(CMN) today.
105 in service also CDF to CMN
108 Reported in this thread as parked at Holyhead, unlikely to return to service with TfW
111 parts donor, unlikely to return to service
113 in service. Chester to Llandudno this morning.

I did see one in the South yesterday operating the 1645 Llanelli to Chester. According to RTT it was 158818.

 

[Western 52]

I did see one in the South yesterday operating the 1645 Llanelli to Chester. According to RTT it was 158818.

Same set is on 1W60 1201 Carmarthen to Manchester today. We do see the class west of Swansea most days, but normally just 1 or 2 of them.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Yesterday the 175's were on Holyhead to Birmingham and Birmingham to Newton Powys services.
On Saturday it was 175113 spending the entire afternoon top and tailed by 158's making a stupid long 7 car train on the Cambrian as far as Newtown Powys (the 175 portion would of gone to Aberystwyth if it wasn't for engineering works.)

158s can't couple to 175s, and 175s can't go on the Cambrian.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Yesterday the 175's were on Holyhead to Birmingham and Birmingham to Newton Powys services.
On Saturday it was 175113 spending the entire afternoon top and tailed by 158's making a stupid long 7 car train on the Cambrian as far as Newtown Powys (the 175 portion would of gone to Aberystwyth if it wasn't for engineering works.)

If you’ll believe RTT when it says a 175 wedged in between two 158s, you’ll believe anything
(Cue the inevitable comment about it being the data feed not RTT)