gka472l
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Slight correction, it's 82451 (following the Liverpool 'METRO' ones which are 82401-50), and I believe there's 55 due
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mattyharding
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Nevermind I found it
978wta
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With GNW getting more electrics will they be phasing out the B9s? I guess they could be displaced by the 20/70 reg street decks.
mattyharding
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I wonder if Oldham will be all Streetdecks or will another fleet come as well (Most likely E400 EVs or BZLs)
MCRTransitYT
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I think these new Stagecoach Electroliners are due for Stockport and Oldham has never had Streetdecks unlike Stockport (330) so it does make sense for Oldham to get its own fleet eventually
They’ve got plenty of BYDs now as well.
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No electric buses at Stockport and not likely any time soon.
MCRTransitYT
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I think it'll be Evosetis and/or B5LH Gemini 3s off the busway so when the busway Electroliners enter service, then thats when the 163 will get upgraded (downgraded if you dont like evoseti seats)
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Theyll go to Oldham for the 3-4 years i presume then when Oldham gets new fleet, they'll move to Stockport
mattyharding
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How many are Oldham getting
MCRTransitYT
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Not a clue sorry, I would presume an amount necessary to replace Stockports older fleet (involving cascading)
aswilliamsuk
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Stockport need a new depot before they can electrify, and unless things have changed in the last month only the temporary bases have been identified, not the permanent one that will be electrified.
GMCA confirmed funding for 220 additional electric buses in November:https://www.facebook.com/sharer.php...g-for-220-further-bee-network-electric-buses/
TfGM approves funding for 220 further Bee Network electric buses
GMCA has approved £59.1 million that will enable procurement of around 220 further battery-electric buses for the region’s Bee Network.
www.route-one.net
The only orders confirmed so far from that 220 is the 55 StreetDeck Electroliners announced in March, it appears (they are clearly following on from the 76 going to Go North West at the moment), and as noted, the batch begins at 82451 and fairly clearly at least some of them will be at Oldham, if not all.
TfGM announces order of 55 battery-electric buses from Wrightbus
Transport for Greater Manchester (TfGM) has confirmed an order for 55 battery-electric buses for the Bee Network from Wrightbus.
www.route-one.net
Bearing in mind that GMCA have been fairly clear that they want to buy British, I'd be surprised if ADL don't benefit from this current round of procurement too.
Can someone remind me what large contracts Oldham Depot have got that will use these new electrics? Mind you looking at Oldham Depot's output recently it does seem that its a case of if it moves its allocated looking at some of the allocations recently, it does seem the days of vehicle compliance on various routes doesn't seem to happen much these days.
Once Oldham get these electrics what will happen to the older deckers that Oldham have got at the moment especially some of the E400s and the B5s, also what's planned (if anything) for the E200s & E300s that are at Oldham Depot in the future?
Once Oldham get these electrics what will happen to the older deckers that Oldham have got at the moment especially some of the E400s and the B5s, also what's planned (if anything) for the E200s & E300s that are at Oldham Depot in the future?
mattyharding
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I bet the 08 plates will end up in Cumbria but I'm not sure where the B5s will go as not many companies like hybrids anymore
Cavendish1
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It was on fb, on road test near wrights factory
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Oops, thanks
mayneway
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There very much is compliance but as the chargers were installed by TFGM and the electric vehicles are owned by TFGM any issues will mean that stagecoach get dispensation while the issues are ongoing.
Likewise while Hyde road runs the B9’s there will be dispensation on compliance, apart from on the 38 and 76 as these should always now be electric.
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The B5’s are owned by TFGM so they will most likely be sold on.
stan claire
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Hoping they use them to put more deckers on routes that need them as well, since the 8/10 electrics have arrived at Bolton they’ve put way more deckers on the 575/576 (finally, they REALLY were needed) so maybe they’ll displace the G3s and evosetis to busy routes like 524 and 501 and frequency improvements on busier corridors (and maybe 20/21/22/520 diagrams but I do know they don’t like using deckers on these because of low-hanging trees on the 520 route)
toms
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The 524 has around 3 deckers out through the day but at peak times it can be a nightmare with singles although I assume that’s what the deckers are for
mattyharding
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I'm still not 100% sure why TFGM own them as they were originally meant to be just a "stock-gap" until newer buses arrived
MCRTransitYT
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TFGM bought them (along with the ex oxfords) for the use of being a stock gap as you have mentioned. These could've been used elsewhere, such as Stockport, if they had been more reliable.
Have Stagecoach got problems with some of their fleet meaning that there isn't an easy fix for various vehicles?
For example for quite a number of months and probably spreading back into last year E300 27947 has got a problem whereby the gearbox snatches pretty badly when changing from 1st into 2nd Gear.
E400 19326 has had a problem for months now whereby it changes from 1st into 2nd but won't change up after 2nd gear leading it to high revving.
From what I've been told the problem with 27947 might be a difficult fix hence why its still doing it months and months after it will probably reported.
For example for quite a number of months and probably spreading back into last year E300 27947 has got a problem whereby the gearbox snatches pretty badly when changing from 1st into 2nd Gear.
E400 19326 has had a problem for months now whereby it changes from 1st into 2nd but won't change up after 2nd gear leading it to high revving.
From what I've been told the problem with 27947 might be a difficult fix hence why its still doing it months and months after it will probably reported.
mattyharding
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Exactly, they do suffer from poor reliability but to be fair they haven't failed on me in almost a year (hopefully I haven't jinxed it), but i'm sure the Electroliners will be a decent upgrade for the routes the B5s serve
mayneway
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Because First didn’t want to include any double deckers In the sale to TFGM, stagecoach were in no position to fill the stop gap as they still had half of Manchester operating commercially, so the only answer was to acquire buses they assumed could fill the gap.
These buses have operated for over two years now so as long as they get a good return on them they haven’t done too badly.
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27956 at Queens road has similar issues last year and was constantly on/off the pits with gearbox issues, sure they put it down to fuelling issues.
They are basically cheap awful buses.
19326 is probably on borrowed time hence why it’s not being fixed.
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mattyharding
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19326 will probably be gone once the Electroliners arrive
Cavendish1
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4026 has appeared at Denton depot, just passed me on a 345
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The Electroliner Fleet Number range at Oldham *should* be 82451 to 82514
Leyland Bus
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Are you sure? Pretty sure it was that one withdrawn at Bolton after its engine ate its own oil and blew up! It was towed to Wigan as it was deemed uneconomical to repair...
pokemonsuper9
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Bustimes is showing 4025 on that today so it's a very understandable mis-read.
Leyland Bus
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Yeah, I'd agree. It would be very strange to repair such a demic with plenty others laid up that are somewhat more mobile
MCRTransitYT
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Random question - are TfGM planning another frequency upgrade the the busway hence why 43 buses were ordered for it? I've done a bit of research, and it appears 19 buses are used on the V1 at one time and 11 on the V2 (V4 uses approx 10 but mostly from other duties).
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Also I know this thread is primarily about fleet discussion, but as other topics have been discussed, does anybody have a sort of list which shows either the number of buses used on each route, or the minimum number of deckers/single decks a depot needs to run all its routes. It would be greatly appreciated, thanks
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Also I know this thread is primarily about fleet discussion, but as other topics have been discussed, does anybody have a sort of list which shows either the number of buses used on each route, or the minimum number of deckers/single decks a depot needs to run all its routes. It would be greatly appreciated, thanks
jeffery9098
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With Busway, It's allegedly the frequency is moving up to every 3 or 4 minutes. Not surprised considered it's vantage so :/
MCRTransitYT
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The V1 timetable in the middle of the day was for Monday to Friday was already 3 to 4 minutes so it might be the V2
Edit: It seems to be peak time only where the V1 is every 4 minutes, so it does actually make a lot of sense if they made it all day
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