TfGM Bee Network - fleet discussion

[TT-ONR-NRN]

2118 also shows on the V1 currently

A mistake, surely? AIUI the chassis on Wright Streetdecks is too large.

 

[pokemonsuper9]

A mistake, surely? AIUI the chassis on Wright Streetdecks is too large.

It is not running on the busway and was doing the diversion route.

 

[Leyland Bus]

A mistake, surely? AIUI the chassis on Wright Streetdecks is too large.

That's a myth as debunked earlier in the thread.

A spate of broken windows amongst other defects over the weekend left Bolton short this morning. Any non guided vehicle with be on the diversion route avoiding the busway as mentioned above.

 

[darylyates17]

Correct but having driven similar small Solos that are older they have taken a lot of space out of the cab. I couldn’t drive one all day.

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Yeah there’s some comments today that Diamond are running some of these services short today because they haven’t got the Fiat bread vans available - I believe they are waiting to get the 4 Mellors off Stagecoach so they can have enough suitable vehicles for the services.

E100EVs have arrived at Oldham to free up Solo SRs to Queens Road which will take over the Mellors due to go to Rotala.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

That's a myth as debunked earlier in the thread.

A spate of broken windows amongst other defects over the weekend left Bolton short this morning. Any non guided vehicle with be on the diversion route avoiding the busway as mentioned above.

How interesting. My bus to work (1035 off Leigh V1) was a Vantage B5LH via the busway as usual.

 

[Bovverboy]

It is not running on the busway and was doing the diversion route.

Did you actually see it doing the diversion route? According to bustimes, 2107, 2118, and 4039 have all worked Vantage journeys today, but for the most part they are shown as tracking on other routes at the same time.

 

[pokemonsuper9]

Did you actually see it doing the diversion route? According to bustimes, 2107, 2118, and 4039 have all worked Vantage journeys today, but for the most part they are shown as tracking on other routes at the same time.

No, I have not confirmed it by sight.
Bustimes.org shows 2118 as having used the diverison route, and it didn't have any conflicting info.

2107 now does appear to have two overlapping reports, but the bus reporting as it on the V1 this morning used the diversion path.
4039 is very likely a machine swap duplication, the bus reporting as it used the busway this morning, with the other running normal routes.

 

[MCRTransitYT]

Did you actually see it doing the diversion route? According to bustimes, 2107, 2118, and 4039 have all worked Vantage journeys today, but for the most part they are shown as tracking on other routes at the same time.

4039 hasn't been on the busway. It's double tracking on busways and Traffords, and I've seen it today on a 21.
You can also see by the tracking that these non standard busway buses (like electroliners) are not going via the busway. Just look at Astley street P&R. It's going along the road near the busway, and then turns into the bus stand and turns around like the non busway buses that serve that stop

 

[Leyland Bus]

Did you actually see it doing the diversion route? According to bustimes, 2107, 2118, and 4039 have all worked Vantage journeys today, but for the most part they are shown as tracking on other routes at the same time.

Sight is not required, these vehicles do not have guide arms or wheels fitted.

 

[py_megapixel]

Sight is not required, these vehicles do not have guide arms or wheels fitted.

I don't think the question is whether or not they ran on the guideway (because of course they didn't), it's whether they ran the V1/V2 at all or whether it was just some ticket machines programmed with the wrong fleetnunbers

 

[mattyharding]

I hope we see more new buses come soon to replace some of the older fleet

 

[Leyland Bus]

I don't think the question is whether or not they ran on the guideway (because of course they didn't), it's whether they ran the V1/V2 at all or whether it was just some ticket machines programmed with the wrong fleetnunbers

No, the question was literally "Did you actually see it doing the diversion route?" and it was this I was answering.

 

[Mollman]

I hope we see more new buses come soon to replace some of the older fleet

Well uncle Andy has been given more money from Westminster to buy a lot of electric buses so no doubt an order will be placed soon.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Horror on the V1 today

I missed the 1150 from Leigh, which was a Vantage B5LH, and then noticed on bustimes.org, the next FIVE departures were all non Vantage buses.

1205 B5TL (not the worst, admittedly)
1220 Evoseti
1235 Evoseti
1250 Evoseti
1305 B9TL

Three Evosetis in a row is rough, especially with other non Vantage buses each side

I decided to do my food shop early and I’m now on the 1320 Vantage B5LH instead

 

[mattyharding]

Well uncle Andy has been given more money from Westminster to buy a lot of electric buses so no doubt an order will be placed soon.

I think there has already been orders made but just awaiting approval

 

[MCRTransitYT]

Just looking at the tracking now, and it seems that 21253 was doing the 280 and managing to go under the bridge. Surely it would've been better to let the sprinter under the bridge and make the e200mmc turn around in Dunham (halving the frequency) instead of turning them both at Dunham. There's probably a good reason for it though

 

[Class 466]

Horror on the V1 today

I missed the 1150 from Leigh, which was a Vantage B5LH, and then noticed on bustimes.org, the next FIVE departures were all non Vantage buses.

1205 B5TL (not the worst, admittedly)
1220 Evoseti
1235 Evoseti
1250 Evoseti
1305 B9TL

Three Evosetis in a row is rough, especially with other non Vantage buses each side

I decided to do my food shop early and I’m now on the 1320 Vantage B5LH instead

Look away…

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Look away…

It’ll be the same three. Horrible things.

 

[M60lad]

Odd workings from Oldham Depot this morning see Solo SR 48107 on 181 and 48105 on 348.

 

[mattyharding]

Odd workings from Oldham Depot this morning see Solo SR 48107 on 181 and 48105 on 348.

I saw 48105 passing me probably a couple of broken B5s

 

[mayneway]

I saw 48105 passing me probably a couple of broken B5s

Majority of schools went back today so I’d imagine they were stretched.
The diesel E400’s at Oldham were meant to boost the schools fleet but most have been out every day over the last 6 weeks suggesting Oldham is tight on buses.

 

[mattyharding]

Majority of schools went back today so I’d imagine they were stretched.
The diesel E400’s at Oldham were meant to boost the schools fleet but most have been out every day over the last 6 weeks suggesting Oldham is tight on buses.

Yeah because some buses are away getting refurbed or some that have gone elsewhere like 10613 went to Middleton

 

[Bovverboy]

Queens Road Enviros 27957/8 haven't been around recently - are they withdrawn?

 

[mattyharding]

Another bad day for Oldham depot and the 348 with some buses being 10-20 minutes late or even cancelled

 

[WWH44L]

Queens Road Enviros 27957/8 haven't been around recently - are they withdrawn?

I very much doubt it! Only not tracked for a few weeks.

 

[W176 XMA]

Queens Road Enviros 27957/8 haven't been around recently - are they withdrawn?

No, having work done in the depot

 

[mattyharding]

Why does Oldham and QR have B5LHs because I think it's because of First having B9TLs but I'm not 100% sure

 

[Leyland Bus]

Why does Oldham and QR have B5LHs because I think it's because of First having B9TLs but I'm not 100% sure

What has First running B9s got to do with Stagecoach running B5s?

Some of the B5s are ex Go Ahead Oxford and had nothing to do with First...



On a separate note, the two E200MMCs I mentioned up thread have now migrated to Wigan ex Metroline.

 

[Bovverboy]

Queens Road Enviros 27957/8 haven't been around recently - are they withdrawn?

27958 returned to service on Saturday, but 27957 has been out of use for over a month now.

 

[mattyharding]

What has First running B9s got to do with Stagecoach running B5s?

Some of the B5s are ex Go Ahead Oxford and had nothing to do with First...

Well B9s and B5s are both made by Volvo so maybe they needed an upgrade but they could've got Streetdecks instead if that was the case