Leedsbusman
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Five year age limit well and truly junked then!Ahh... the cats out the bag!
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Leyland Bus
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Yes, there are 6 for Vantage as extras (so in addition to the EvoSetis @TT-ONR-NRN) but 4 will be in use with two for 'back up'.
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There's no putting the genie back in the bottle now you knowI mean they have more comfortable seats than an EvoSeti (they’re the same design as stagecoach spec interior Enviro 400s) so I’d rather travel on it
TT-ONR-NRN
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So what’s happening to the existing Vantage buses?Yes, there are 6 for Vantage as extras (so in addition to the EvoSetis @TT-ONR-NRN) but 4 will be in use with two for 'back up'.
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There's no putting the genie back in the bottle now you know
Leyland Bus
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Nothing
Class 466
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There’s a timetable uplift on the V1 & V2 in a couple of weeks I believe
TT-ONR-NRN
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Are there really just not enough then?
To be honest, I’m not going to be pathetic about the situation; if this is purely due to a service increase then I can hardly complain, or if it’s due to limited availability of Volvo B5LH Wright Eclipse Geminis for whatever reason, then it IS better than nothing.
What would have really infuriated me was if these B9s and Evilsetis were coming along just for the nice buses to be sent elsewhere.
I do wonder why it was B9s chosen with that basic interior though. While not as uncomfortable as the Evosettis and ex London E400s, the Wright Streetdecks you see on 35/36/37 etc. for example, are far more advanced inside and would have made for a much more reasonable substitute for the Vantage B5LHs.
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Well that can only be described as a good thing, so unfortunate as the saturation of non-Vantage buses is, I’m grateful for that. It’s already every 5 minutes at peak and 15 during the day, and it’s expected to get better??
From a selfish point of view, why don’t they concentrate the Vantage B5LHs on the V1 and use the Evosettis and B9s on the V2
The new timetable is here
The V1 runs every 4 minutes in the morning peak
Leyland Bus
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Because that's not fun knowing some people on here don't like certain busesAre there really just not enough then?
To be honest, I’m not going to be pathetic about the situation; if this is purely due to a service increase then I can hardly complain, or if it’s due to limited availability of Volvo B5LH Wright Eclipse Geminis for whatever reason, then it IS better than nothing.
What would have really infuriated me was if these B9s and Evilsetis were coming along just for the nice buses to be sent elsewhere.
I do wonder why it was B9s chosen with that basic interior though. While not as uncomfortable as the Evosettis and ex London E400s, the Wright Streetdecks you see on 35/36/37 etc. for example, are far more advanced inside and would have made for a much more reasonable substitute for the Vantage B5LHs.
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Well that can only be described as a good thing, so unfortunate as the saturation of non-Vantage buses is, I’m grateful for that. It’s already every 5 minutes at peak and 15 during the day, and it’s expected to get better??
From a selfish point of view, why don’t they concentrate the Vantage B5LHs on the V1 and use the Evosettis and B9s on the V2
pokemonsuper9
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There's plenty of buses swapping between V1 and V2 throughout the day, so I don't think that's really possible.From a selfish point of view, why don’t they concentrate the Vantage B5LHs on the V1 and use the Evosettis and B9s on the V2
TT-ONR-NRN
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I’ve since found out BZL/E400EV/Streetdecks have two big a chassis to be guided. How interesting!Because that's not fun knowing some people on here don't like certain buses
The B9 is out today, as well as FIVE Evosetis
And a B5TL with the usual refurbished Bee Network seats and interior, which obviously isn’t as nice as a Vantage, but is absolutely fine, perfectly adequate.
15 Vantage B5LH with leather seats and tables
5 Evosetis with the rock hard ex-London seats
2 B5TL with the standard high-back refurbished Bee Betwork seats
1 B9 with the thickly padded Stagecoach style seats
on the V1/V2 today.
Eight non-Vantage buses out must be the most on the route in a while!
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Any full list of Streetdecks and E200's moving to Wigan and there new fleet numbers
Guess if 2 MMCs are coming then 2 of the old E200's are going?
Leyland Bus
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I thought First Leeds run StreetDecks on guided busway and we evaluated a BZL as a potential future order for the busway, so I'm not 100% sure thats correct...I’ve since found out BZL/E400EV/Streetdecks have two big a chassis to be guided. How interesting!
The B9 is out today, as well as FIVE Evosetis
And a B5TL with the usual refurbished Bee Network seats and interior, which obviously isn’t as nice as a Vantage, but is absolutely fine, perfectly adequate.
15 Vantage B5LH with leather seats and tables
5 Evosetis with the rock hard ex-London seats
2 B5TL with the standard high-back refurbished Bee Betwork seats
1 B9 with the thickly padded Stagecoach style seats
on the V1/V2 today.
Eight non-Vantage buses out must be the most on the route in a while!
Class 466
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Leyland Bus
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The two e200mmc are apparently on hold for now but will/should be DE483/4 to be 4153/4.
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All now "GNW'd" as of today.
Electroliners and Kites are Guide Wheel-fitted in Leeds. They trial fitting them to Streetdecks back in 2018 with one of the 355xx batch being used as a guinea pig but it didn’t work out that well.
mattb7tl
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IIRC. I believe the test streetdeck which ran on the guideway ended up with major chassis damage. I don't think you will seeing diesel streetdecks zooming up and down the guideway.
Many thanks for your reply
According to bustimes.org 19 Vantage B5s have been out today, together with all 6 guided evoSetis, the two guided B5TLs, and 3285, i.e. 9 non-Vantage. Of the six missing B5s, one hasn't tracked since late July (3027).The B9 is out today, as well as FIVE Evosetis
And a B5TL with the usual refurbished Bee Network seats and interior, which obviously isn’t as nice as a Vantage, but is absolutely fine, perfectly adequate.
15 Vantage B5LH with leather seats and tables
5 Evosetis with the rock hard ex-London seats
2 B5TL with the standard high-back refurbished Bee Betwork seats
1 B9 with the thickly padded Stagecoach style seats
on the V1/V2 today.
Eight non-Vantage buses out must be the most on the route in a while!
I can't see why Streetdecks can't go on busway sure there lightweight chassis's also same bodywork so guess same width etc as the B5 Geminis
py_megapixel
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The issue isn't the bodywork - the guidewheels aren't attached to the body, they're attached to the steering assembly.
I'm very suprised they not been added to bustimes yet in GNW
I guess bar camera mirrors there practically identical to the Streetdecks they already have? Unless there other differences
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Ah right fair enough but surly this could in theory be done to Streetdecks?
WWH44L
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They won’t be on bustimes until they track in service.
JasonL
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When are these StreetDeck's due to be in service?
Leyland Bus
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When I left yesterday they needed destinations updating and some had afew jobs that wanted doing following inspection. So really anytime between now and the schools going back.
py_megapixel
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Curious whether the drivers will need additional vehicle familiarisation, particularly as Wigan hasn't had buses with rear view cameras before - everything already there has conventional mirrors if I'm not mistaken?
Sure some of Wigan E200MMCs (smaller ones have camera mirrors)
Leyland Bus
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Spoke to the engineer from WrightBus this morning, the entire StreetDeck order that should have gone to First Leeds but ended up with Diamond were all for the busway. Apparently the whole "chassis damage" claim was thrown about as part of the spat the two firms were having at the time. So they are perfectly capable of such work according to the manufacturer.
Class 466
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Distinct lack of ex London E400s out on the 609 - where is it they’re off to next?
TT-ONR-NRN
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Definitely not complaining about that myself.
Are they going to Heywood? 3117 has just gone, and 3101-6 have been there for a while.