SWR Class 458 to be retained

[Mollman]

But they were turned round by Wimbledon to become the most reliable

Maybe Wimbledon will manage to do the same with the 701s when they eventually enter service

 

[Goldfish62]

But they were turned round by Wimbledon to become the most reliable

That didn't last long. The 5-car conversion put them firmly back as SWT/SWR's most unreliable train. It's been at lease 10 years since they were decently reliable.

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Maybe Wimbledon will manage to do the same with the 701s when they eventually enter service

I'm sure they will. Compare the 707s with when they were at SWR and now at SE.

 

[Flange Squeal]

There shouldn’t be a conversion course, the cabs haven’t changed and neither have any of the traction systems, when the change from 458/0 to 458/5 occured there was no conversion course, simply a reminder that the units could only be run up to 75mph

There was a conversion course for all the different equipment on the ex 460 coaches that wasn't quite the same as the 458/0

This apparently non-existent /5 conversion course also covered the coupling of units due to the new couplers and gangway doors fitted to the units.

 

[185143]

Are any 458/4s out and about at weekends or is it just weekdays for now? Apologies if it's already been covered, I've not been keeping up to date with this thread.

 

[TEW]

Are any 458/4s out and about at weekends or is it just weekdays for now? Apologies if it's already been covered, I've not been keeping up to date with this thread.

Just weekdays for now.

 

[deepeetw]

Were you around when the 458s were first introduced 24 years ago? "Interesting" times.

I’m sure someone once told me a story about brake issues coinciding with use of the windscreen wiper back in the late 90s…… Interesting electrical issues as they came off the production line.

 

[OneTrackMinded]

I’m sure someone once told me a story about brake issues coinciding with use of the windscreen wiper back in the late 90s…… Interesting electrical issues as they came off the production line.

Remember reading somewhere they had an issue where they'd start to suddenly roll away...

 

[gabrielhj07]

Remember reading somewhere they had an issue where they'd start to suddenly roll away...

Was that 334s?

 

[Goldfish62]

I’m sure someone once told me a story about brake issues coinciding with use of the windscreen wiper back in the late 90s…… Interesting electrical issues as they came off the production line.

As a passenger in the early days I remember the TMS having to be reset on nearly every trip, plus the occasional ceiling or side panel falling off. Plus sealant had to be retrospectively applied around the panelling to stop all the rattling.

 

[Siemens Staines]

Some of the paths for this weeks transfer from/to Widnes are now on RTT. I think that this should be 458410 from Widnes and 458518 to Widnes.

Monday 29th July 2024
5Z53 0732 Leicester L.I.P. to Widnes Transport Tech

Realtime Trains | 5Z53 0732 Leicester L.I.P. to Widnes Transport Tech | 29/07/2024

Real-time train running information for 5Z53 0732 departure from Leicester L.I.P. to Widnes Transport Tech on 29/07/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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5Q62 1311 Widnes Transport Tech to Wembley Receptions 1-7

Realtime Trains | 5Q62 1311 Widnes Transport Tech to Wembley Receptions 1-7 | 29/07/2024

Real-time train running information for 5Q62 1311 departure from Widnes Transport Tech to Wembley Receptions 1-7 on 29/07/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Tuesday 30th July 2024
5X64 1139 Wembley Receptions 1-7 to Southampton Central

Realtime Trains | 5X64 1139 Wembley Receptions 1-7 to Southampton Central | 30/07/2024

Real-time train running information for 5X64 1139 departure from Wembley Receptions 1-7 to Southampton Central on 30/07/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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5Q64 1531 Southampton Central to Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D

Realtime Trains | 5Q64 1531 Southampton Central to Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D | 30/07/2024

Real-time train running information for 5Q64 1531 departure from Southampton Central to Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D on 30/07/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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5Z66 2018 Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D to Eastleigh East Yard

Realtime Trains | 5Z66 2018 Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D to Eastleigh East Yard | 30/07/2024

Real-time train running information for 5Z66 2018 departure from Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D to Eastleigh East Yard on 30/07/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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[mansonlo49]

Some of the paths for this weeks transfer from/to Widnes are now on RTT. I think that this should be 458410 from Widnes and 458518 to Widnes.

Monday 29th July 2024
5Z53 0732 Leicester L.I.P. to Widnes Transport Tech

Realtime Trains | 5Z53 0732 Leicester L.I.P. to Widnes Transport Tech | 29/07/2024

Real-time train running information for 5Z53 0732 departure from Leicester L.I.P. to Widnes Transport Tech on 29/07/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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5Q62 1311 Widnes Transport Tech to Wembley Receptions 1-7

Realtime Trains | 5Q62 1311 Widnes Transport Tech to Wembley Receptions 1-7 | 29/07/2024

Real-time train running information for 5Q62 1311 departure from Widnes Transport Tech to Wembley Receptions 1-7 on 29/07/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Tuesday 30th July 2024
5X64 1139 Wembley Receptions 1-7 to Southampton Central

Realtime Trains | 5X64 1139 Wembley Receptions 1-7 to Southampton Central | 30/07/2024

Real-time train running information for 5X64 1139 departure from Wembley Receptions 1-7 to Southampton Central on 30/07/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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5Q64 1531 Southampton Central to Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D

Realtime Trains | 5Q64 1531 Southampton Central to Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D | 30/07/2024

Real-time train running information for 5Q64 1531 departure from Southampton Central to Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D on 30/07/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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5Z66 2018 Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D to Eastleigh East Yard

Realtime Trains | 5Z66 2018 Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D to Eastleigh East Yard | 30/07/2024

Real-time train running information for 5Z66 2018 departure from Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D to Eastleigh East Yard on 30/07/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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May I please ask is this 5 diagrams only down from Widnes? The diagrams up to Widnes is it not yet published by RTT? Thank you

 

[Siemens Staines]

May I please ask is this 5 diagrams only down from Widnes? The diagrams up to Widnes is it not yet published by RTT? Thank you

The last transfer from Bournemouth to Eastleigh should be the first leg of 458518 heading to Widnes. It is usually the case that subsequent transfer from Eastleigh to Widnes will appear on RTT at a later date

 

[spark001uk]

Saw two pairs of /4 on Feltham last night as I passed.
Assume they'll still be out this week despite the Barnes Bridge block?

 

[Goldfish62]

Saw two pairs of /4 on Feltham last night as I passed.
Assume they'll still be out this week despite the Barnes Bridge block?

Confirmed in post #3240.

 

[mansonlo49]

The last transfer from Bournemouth to Eastleigh should be the first leg of 458518 heading to Widnes. It is usually the case that subsequent transfer from Eastleigh to Widnes will appear on RTT at a later date

ok thank you，the progress seems quite fast of the 458 conversion

 

[WarrenTManager]

Remember reading somewhere they had an issue where they'd start to suddenly roll away...

Probably the hill start on the PBC playing up

 

[spark001uk]

Confirmed in post #3240.

Ah sorry missed that, right at bottom of previous page!

 

[mansonlo49]

The last transfer from Bournemouth to Eastleigh should be the first leg of 458518 heading to Widnes. It is usually the case that subsequent transfer from Eastleigh to Widnes will appear on RTT at a later date

the part for widnes got onto rtt just now 5Q95 1831 Eastleigh East Yard to Widnes Transport Tech Departing on 31st July 2024

Realtime Trains | 5Q95 1831 Eastleigh East Yard to Widnes Transport Tech | 31/07/2024

Real-time train running information for 5Q95 1831 departure from Eastleigh East Yard to Widnes Transport Tech on 31/07/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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[Siemens Staines]

Tuesdays 5Z66 from Bournemouth TMD to Eastleigh was cancelled. This may be because 5Q64 did not arrive at Bournemouth TMD until after 5Z66 should have departed. 5Z66 has been rescheduled to run today

5Z66 1530 Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D to Eastleigh East Yard

Realtime Trains | 5Z66 1530 Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D to Eastleigh East Yard | 31/07/2024

Real-time train running information for 5Z66 1530 departure from Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D to Eastleigh East Yard on 31/07/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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[Goldfish62]

Yesterday I did a short journey on a 458/4.

Overall very nice, despite the bits left untouched. However, what really stood out to me was just how comfy the seats were. Well contoured, a soft base cushion and nicely raked back rather than that bolt-upright nonsense we've had to put with on new trains for far too long. Also I'd say the seats are better than the mushy, unsupportive affairs they've replaced

So, and I don't often say it, well done to SWR. Very nice job indeed.

 

[mansonlo49]

Tuesdays 5Z66 from Bournemouth TMD to Eastleigh was cancelled. This may be because 5Q64 did not arrive at Bournemouth TMD until after 5Z66 should have departed. 5Z66 has been rescheduled to run today

5Z66 1530 Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D to Eastleigh East Yard

Realtime Trains | 5Z66 1530 Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D to Eastleigh East Yard | 31/07/2024

Real-time train running information for 5Z66 1530 departure from Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D to Eastleigh East Yard on 31/07/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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so would the Widnes part operate today? Thanks

 

[Siemens Staines]

so would the Widnes part operate today? Thanks

I do not see any reason why not, 5Z66 should still be at Eastleigh in time to form 5Q95 but there could be other reasons that I am not aware of, to affect it

 

[mansonlo49]

I do not see any reason why not, 5Z66 should still be at Eastleigh in time to form 5Q95 but there could be other reasons that I am not aware of, to affect it

Okay I see thanks

 

[Siemens Staines]

It looks like 458426 is the seventh 458/4 to enter passenger service this afternoon

Realtime Trains | 2R41 1515 London Waterloo to London Waterloo | 31/07/2024

Real-time train running information for 2R41 1515 departure from London Waterloo to London Waterloo on 31/07/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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[TEW]

3rd diagram starts next week:

2R05 0647 Twickenham to Waterloo
2S15 0752 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S24 0933 Weybridge to Waterloo
2S29 1122 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S38 1303 Weybridge to Waterloo
2S43 1452 Waterloo to Weybridge
2S52 1633 Weybridge to Waterloo
2V53 1807 Waterloo to Twickenham

 

[Siemens Staines]

Thank you for this information. Do you know whether the 2*450 liberated by this will replace 2*458/5 or 2*455? I presume another 458/5 will be stood down by the middle of next week leaving just 10 units, so a reduction in their number of diagrams from 5 pairs would seem likely, but I was wrong about that before.

 

[TEW]

Just 4 458/5 pairs diagrammed next week.

 

[norbitonflyer]

It looks like 458426 is the seventh 458/4 to enter passenger service this afternoon

Realtime Trains | 2R41 1515 London Waterloo to London Waterloo | 31/07/2024

Real-time train running information for 2R41 1515 departure from London Waterloo to London Waterloo on 31/07/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Seventh? When and what were Nos 5 and 6?

 

[CR165022]

Seventh? When and what were Nos 5 and 6?

Pretty sure it was 413/427

 

[Siemens Staines]

Just 4 458/5 pairs diagrammed next week.

Thank You for this information.

Seventh? When and what were Nos 5 and 6?

The seven in passenger service so far are

458/4 In service (7)
458413,415,420,421,422,426,427