SWR Class 458 to be retained

[Western Sunset]

Are 458 moves to BM jinxed? The one on Tuesday got stuck at plat 3 in Soton for hours; today's move has been stuck on the down slow outside Woking for three hours...

 

[Dr_Intoxicated]

It looks like the second 458/4 is planned to be delivered to Bournemouth tomorrow and then returning with 458523 to Widnes

5Q65 0903 Wembley Receptions 1-7 to Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D

Realtime Trains | 5Q65 0903 Wembley Receptions 1-7 to Woking | 21/07/2023

Real-time train running information for 5Q65 0903 departure from Wembley Receptions 1-7 to Woking on 21/07/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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5Q66 1750½ Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D to Widnes Transport Tech

Realtime Trains | 5Q66 1750½ Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D to Widnes Transport Tech | 21/07/2023

Real-time train running information for 5Q66 1750½ departure from Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D to Widnes Transport Tech on 21/07/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Saw this between Feltham and Ashford this morning whist out walking

 

[Western Sunset]

Saw this between Feltham and Ashford this morning whist out walking

What was the formation; should be 56081 on the front..
I see the headcode has now been changed to 5X65, so wonder if it's been caped.

 

[CR165022]

What was the formation; should be 56081 on the front..
I see the headcode has now been changed to 5X65, so wonder if it's been caped.

The original working was cancelled at woking but the new headcode 5X65 is still going to take it to Bournemouth

 

[SouthernOne]

At Basingstoke

 

[Ytfc117]

I can’t answer that I’m afraid, I’ve not signed either

 

[The_Train]

Which 458 has ventured south today then?

 

[swt_passenger]

Which 458 has ventured south today then?

458407. Info from post #1648

 

[The_Train]

458407. Info from post #1648

I did look but I'm getting on now so seeing things is becoming more difficult - good job I'm not a train driver

Thanks for confirming

 

[moley]

If the press release was accurate then the purpose of 12 car testing and acceptance is to put them in the shop window. SWR have agreed to be that shop window for one 12 car set hence why SWR cancelling would have big penalties.

Once accepted, SWR has done its job and can choose not to progress the rest of the order. There may even be the option to give the 12 car set back. Or it could keep them and progress the project.

At that point, the owner can say I’ve got these refurbed trains which are ready to go.

It’s likely that the release of unit 4 for refurbishment was contractually linked to receiving unit 1 or 2. I read someone else that it was SWR delaying in receiving these as it didn’t want to release anymore 458s. The cost risk in starting unit 4 is with the owner.

 

[The_Train]

Seen it suggested on Twitter (from a SWR staff member at Bournemouth) that the loco's and barriers are due to depart without any unit this evening so it appears that the unit drag to Widnes is off for today

 

[Benno]

What was the formation; should be 56081 on the front..
I see the headcode has now been changed to 5X65, so wonder if it's been caped.

Network Rail insisting that it should run as a 5Xxx head code rather than a 5Qxx head code.

 

[Western Sunset]

Think there were some gauging paperwork issues with the 458/4 again today. Is this refurbished variant on the "system".

As noted above, the locos left BM with just the barrier vehicles - no other unit.

 

[Rogersbmx]

458417 sat outside Bournemouth maintenance shed alongside a 455.

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I hope they've fitted carpets. Lino floors will make it feel like a commuter train. Those on the 334 are particularly bad, actually.

They have indeed fitted carpets

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

458417 sat outside Bournemouth maintenance shed alongside a 455.

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They have indeed fitted carpets

That’s a great picture, thanks so much for sharing. It looks so smart. I can’t wait to see the inside.

 

[Rogersbmx]

They have indeed fitted carpets

As well as a fully enclosed and partitioned first class

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That’s a great picture, thanks so much for sharing. It looks so smart. I can’t wait to see the inside.

View attachment 139523I’ll try and get some more when I’m back on depot.View attachment 139521

 

[spark001uk]

Thankyou very much for the photos @Rogersbmx , much appreciated. Also keen for a ride on these to Pompey, I was lucky enough to have several trips on the same line in the refurb 442s, before they got withdrawn.

 

[Western Sunset]

Think these are the new dampers that have been causing possible gauging issues. More a case of paperwork issues, than actual size problems though.

PS Anyone know the 455 unit numbers either side of 458417?

 

[spark001uk]

PS Anyone know the 455 unit numbers either side of 458417?

From above photos looks like one of them is 5902

 

[WarrenTManager]

Think these are the new dampers that have been causing possible gauging issues. More a case of paperwork issues, than actual size problems though.

PS Anyone know the 455 unit numbers either side of 458417?

458/0 had these yaw dampers fitted, used to be the bane of my life. Heavy, filthy and covered in oil when I had to deal with them.

The 455 in the shot is 5902. 5721, 5730, 5863 and 5920 are the others on site.

 

[Western Sunset]

458/0 had these yaw dampers fitted, used to be the bane of my life. Heavy, filthy and covered in oil when I had to deal with them.

The 455 in the shot is 5902. 5721, 5730, 5863 and 5920 are the others on site.

Cheers, thanks. So was the gauging issue something else?

 

[DelW]

That’s a great picture, thanks so much for sharing. It looks so smart. I can’t wait to see the inside.

Thankyou very much for the photos @Rogersbmx , much appreciated. Also keen for a ride on these to Pompey, I was lucky enough to have several trips on the same line in the refurb 442s, before they got withdrawn.

That's making the optimistic assumption that they'll ever carry any passengers. Personally I'm not particularly confident that'll ever happen.

I was similarly looking forward to trips on the rebuilt 442s and 769s. Twice bitten, third time shy.

We may be lumbered with 450s on the Direct for a couple more decades.

 

[RealTrains07]

Iam interested to know if the interior refurbishment went to the extent that it included re painting the hand rails in the vestibule areas or are they still SWT orange like the desiros?

Are the seat hand grips light blue too?

 

[Mzzzs]

Are their interior photos yet?
And are they compatible to run with 450s or was that a rumour?

 

[VWRO2]

Are their interior photos yet?
And are they compatible to run with 450s or was that a rumour?

Electrical connections don't look compatible...

 

[spark001uk]

And are they compatible to run with 450s or was that a rumour?

Mentioned here in post #1,524.

 

[swt_passenger]

Mentioned here in post #1,524.

It would be an odd rumour to surface now, I’m sure if we were to go back to the original conversion it was immediately stated that the coupling change only allowed for emergency rescue. To the best of my knowledge it was only ever tested within Wimbledon depot.
I just searched and found my own post from a 2010 thread on the 458/5s, Modern Railways had just run an article which included that the coupler and gangway changes were for emergency purposes.

 

[43096]

And are they compatible to run with 450s or was that a rumour?

Not even a rumour. At least not for anyone who knows anything about trains from different manufacturers.

 

[py_megapixel]

Not even a rumour. At least not for anyone who knows anything about trains from different manufacturers.

To be fair, Sprinters from three separate manufacturers are all compatible with each other and with Turbostars from a fourth - though clearly that's a bit different as it pre-dates computer systems that wouldn't talk to each other.

 

[Rogersbmx]

Iam interested to know if the interior refurbishment went to the extent that it included re painting the hand rails in the vestibule areas or are they still SWT orange like the desiros?

Are the seat hand grips light blue too?

No more orange inside the unit. Grab rails are blue, so is the carpet, so are the seats!