Station location from the 80s

[Mike99]

What about one of those question and answer situations, there are a lot of posts by people trying to help. Some of the questions are just to clarify details. Might I suggest a yes or no answer if appropriate so as not to re-muddy any waters. You seem to remember a lot so we just need to dig a bit deeper to help you.
So Question 1, You travelled from a station into Paddington Main Line?
Question 2, you then boarded a London Underground train?
Question 3, which took you to a station which directly linked you from London Underground service back onto to a conventional train service?
Question 4, This train and/or station were branded Network South East? and you alighted at a two track station?
Question 5, The station you alighted at was on a steep embankment but for road traffic there was not a bridge under the lines.?
Question 6, Passengers therefore had to leave the station on the 'correct' side for there onward travel or use a footbridge to the opposite platform? There was then a road running alongside. which you presumably used to get to the factory?

 

[AY1975]

Parsons Green, Putney Bridge or East Putney possible. All of them are surrounded by terrace housing and possibly there were more small industrial units around in the 1980s.

Or Wandsworth Town or Queenstown Road? Both of these stations are elevated and surrounded by residential areas and industrial units, although some of the area around Wandsworth Town station has recently been extensively redeveloped with large new high rise housing developments.

 

[Sun Chariot]

Or Wandsworth Town or Queenstown Road? Both of these stations are elevated.

Those are on bricked arched viaducts, aren't they? Rather than being situated on the OP's stated (post #1) grassed embankment.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

A thought.... there used to be a Simplex rubber factory in the Park Royal / Willesden area didn't there?

...so what about Willedsen Junction?

 

[parcel]

What about one of those question and answer situations, there are a lot of posts by people trying to help. Some of the questions are just to clarify details. Might I suggest a yes or no answer if appropriate so as not to re-muddy any waters. You seem to remember a lot so we just need to dig a bit deeper to help you.
So Question 1, You travelled from a station into Paddington Main Line?
Question 2, you then boarded a London Underground train?
Question 3, which took you to a station which directly linked you from London Underground service back onto to a conventional train service?
Question 4, This train and/or station were branded Network South East? and you alighted at a two track station?
Question 5, The station you alighted at was on a steep embankment but for road traffic there was not a bridge under the lines.?
Question 6, Passengers therefore had to leave the station on the 'correct' side for there onward travel or use a footbridge to the opposite platform? There was then a road running alongside. which you presumably used to get to the factory?

1 yes, Wales, 2 yes, 3 not sure, 4 not sure, 5 yes, 6, I can only presume so. I collected the case on castors, an push it back to the station an back on the train, to Paddington then back home.

Finally 7 yes, There was then a road running alongside. which I used to get to the factory?
It didnt seem to be far out of Paddington, so not sure if it was just one tube from Paddington, then got off at the high elevated station.
The factory was just off the rd from the station, from what I can remember. It was the 80s, after all.
I really thought if I could find the station (easier said than done) I could find out out where the factory was. But it doesn't look like I will...

Thanks everyone for trying to help...

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Finally 7 yes, There was then a road running alongside. which I used to get to the factory?
It didnt seem to be far out of Paddington, so not sure if it was just one tube from Paddington, then got off at the high elevated station.
The factory was just off the rd from the station, from what I can remember. It was the 80s, after all.

This sounds like we might be back to looking at the Ladbroke Grove White City / Goldhawk Road area of the Hammersmith and City Line...?

I really thought if I could find the station (easier said than done) I could find out out where the factory was. But it doesn't look like I will...

Don't give up - we like a challenge on this forum...




What about this?

Hytex Rubber Factory, Latimer Road...? Does that ring any bells? ( Although I realise the H&C is on a viaduct, nit an embankment, it does have a lot of trees hiding that in places... )

Snarsgate Street and the Hytex Rubber Factory

Running off the northern end of Latimer Road is Snarsgate Street, a short cul de sac of formerly two up, two down terraced cottages. David Walker has sent has sent in some photos and memories of th…

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Running off the northern end of Latimer Road is Snarsgate Street, a short cul de sac of formerly two up, two down terraced cottages. David Walker has sent has sent in some photos and memories of the street in the post war years and its relationship with Hytex a rubber factory, close by on Latimer Road.

 

[MarlowDonkey]

A thought.... there used to be a Simplex rubber factory in the Park Royal / Willesden area didn't there?

...so what about Willedsen Junction?

That makes a certain amount of sense. It's Bakerloo Line north heading out of London which is in tunnel to Queens Park. It may be necessary to change to a BR train at Queens Park, then up the DC Lines towards Watford. They mostly run parallel to the West Coast Main Line, but do wander a bit in places. In any event they are segregated tracks so can look in places like a two track railway. There are or were lots of factories in the area around where the North Circular goes underneath the railway. Stonebridge Park is the area I'm thinking of.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

That makes a certain amount of sense. It's Bakerloo Line north heading out of London which is in tunnel to Queens Park. It may be necessary to change to a BR train at Queens Park, then up the DC Lines towards Watford. They mostly run parallel to the West Coast Main Line, but do wander a bit in places. In any event they are segregated tracks so can look in places like a two track railway. There are or were lots of factories in the area around where the North Circular goes underneath the railway. Stonebridge Park is the area I'm thinking of.

Bakerloo, direct from Paddington, surely? It ran through to Watford at the time didn't it? Certainly as far as Stonebridge park because that's where the depot is...

 

[MarlowDonkey]

Bakerloo, direct from Paddington, surely? It ran through to Watford at the time didn't it? Certainly as far as Stonebridge park because that's where the depot is...

I think some trains terminated at Queens Park. I believe Watford left the tube map many years ago, possibly as early as the 1970s.

 

[parcel]

This sounds like we might be back to looking at the Ladbroke Grove White City / Goldhawk Road area of the Hammersmith and City Line...?


Don't give up - we like a challenge on this forum...




What about this?

Hytex Rubber Factory, Latimer Road...? Does that ring any bells? ( Although I realise the H&C is on a viaduct, nit an embankment, it does have a lot of trees hiding that in places... )

Snarsgate Street and the Hytex Rubber Factory

Running off the northern end of Latimer Road is Snarsgate Street, a short cul de sac of formerly two up, two down terraced cottages. David Walker has sent has sent in some photos and memories of th…

northkensingtonhistories.wordpress.com

Ok I won't:
Latimer isn't high up, this station was. That's part I dont get. There can't be many that are on a steep embankment, with a road along the bottom.

 

[W-on-Sea]

I think some trains terminated at Queens Park. I believe Watford left the tube map many years ago, possibly as early as the 1970s.

Limited peak hour services on the Bakerloo through to Watford Junction lasted until late 1982. The rest of the time Queens Park was the usual terminus (Stonebridge Park and then Harrow & Wealdstone came subsequently)

 

[norbitonflyer]

As there was no road under the railway, you must have crossed the railway within the station either on arrival (to reach the exit and the road) or on return to the station with your case. Can you remember which? (I imagine if the case was bulky then getting it up and down the steps would have been memorable had it been the latter)
And was it a subway or a footbridge?

 

[parcel]

As there was no road under the railway, you must have crossed the railway within the station either on arrival (to reach the exit and the road) or on return to the station with your case. Can you remember which? (I imagine if the case was bulky then getting it up and down the steps would have been memorable had it been the latter)
And was it a subway or a footbridge?

Sorry its so long ago. I know I managed it quite easily, it was lightweight, being made of Vulcanised fibre. I had a few strange looks tho, getting it back home. Perhaps some people thought there was a body in it.lol Took no notice of them. Wish I could tell u more.

 

[OverSpeed]

@parcel Just out of interest can you remember if you crossed the river thames at all or remember seeing any landmarks or even the type of train it was you went on? I know it's like a needle in haystack, especially when trying to find somewhere 30-40 years later which would look totally different to now to what it used to (Like many london places)

Like many i hope you actually find the location as i'd love to know what station it is, i usually find trying the "alphabet Game" when looking for a place (or even a person!) starting off with A and obviously in Z helps.

 

[Western Sunset]

Are you sure there are no hidden maker's ID marks on the case itself? Just askin' the obvious but you never know...

 

[MarlowDonkey]

Bakerloo, direct from Paddington, surely? It ran through to Watford at the time didn't it? Certainly as far as Stonebridge park because that's where the depot is...

I think Stonebridge Park is a possible location. The DC lines are well separated from the WCML at this point so it would look like a two track railway. Even if using the Bakerloo, there will be "Overground" trains between Euston and Watford going back and forth. on the same lines. Depending on the era, there would be Network South East or other national rail branding on the station. The line is on an embankment and in an industrial area. It's not that many stops from Paddington, so could feel like a short journey.

 

[Peter Sarf]

I think Stonebridge Park is a possible location. The DC lines are well separated from the WCML at this point so it would look like a two track railway. Even if using the Bakerloo, there will be "Overground" trains between Euston and Watford going back and forth. on the same lines. Depending on the era, there would be Network South East or other national rail branding on the station. The line is on an embankment and in an industrial area. It's not that many stops from Paddington, so could feel like a short journey.

Furthermore I seem to recall Stonebridge Park station has a road running along side it (up to the depot ?). I think the platforms are on stilts upon the embankment, at least the ends would be. Possible the OP changed off the Bakerloo line at Queens Park. In the 80s would the Overground train have been a 313 ?.

Clutching at straws maybe but changing from the Bakerloo line train onto a 313 would have seemed like a step into a lighter brighter world !.

Now a question for @parcel - at Paddington did you have to go down an escalator to reach the tube ?.
I can imagine taking a large case on the deep level tube would have been a memorable ordeal.

Another idea - How about contacting people in the music industry or fellow musicians ?.
They might have used the same factory/supplier back then.

 

[parcel]

Are you sure there are no hidden maker's ID marks on the case itself? Just askin' the obvious but you never know...

If I had it still:
The pk an roll case was sold in 1986...

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I think Stonebridge Park is a possible location. The DC lines are well separated from the WCML at this point so it would look like a two track railway. Even if using the Bakerloo, there will be "Overground" trains between Euston and Watford going back and forth. on the same lines. Depending on the era, there would be Network South East or other national rail branding on the station. The line is on an embankment and in an industrial area. It's not that many stops from Paddington, so could feel like a short journey.

It's not high enuff of the ground, nor is it on a steep embankment.

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Furthermore I seem to recall Stonebridge Park station has a road running along side it (up to the depot ?). I think the platforms are on stilts upon the embankment, at least the ends would be. Possible the OP changed off the Bakerloo line at Queens Park. In the 80s would the Overground train have been a 313 ?.

Clutching at straws maybe but changing from the Bakerloo line train onto a 313 would have seemed like a step into a lighter brighter world !.

Now a question for @parcel - at Paddington did you have to go down an escalator to reach the tube ?.
I can imagine taking a large case on the deep level tube would have been a memorable ordeal.

Another idea - How about contacting people in the music industry or fellow musicians ?.
They might have used the same factory/supplier back then.

I think I took it up or down steps/escalator. it was the 80s, tho.

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Furthermore I seem to recall Stonebridge Park station has a road running along side it (up to the depot ?). I think the platforms are on stilts upon the embankment, at least the ends would be. Possible the OP changed off the Bakerloo line at Queens Park. In the 80s would the Overground train have been a 313 ?.

Clutching at straws maybe but changing from the Bakerloo line train onto a 313 would have seemed like a step into a lighter brighter world !.

Now a question for @parcel - at Paddington did you have to go down an escalator to reach the tube ?.
I can imagine taking a large case on the deep level tube would have been a memorable ordeal.

Another idea - How about contacting people in the music industry or fellow musicians ?.
They might have used the same factory/supplier back then.

Already contacted some music companies an others in the V/F trade. Nothing so far.

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Furthermore I seem to recall Stonebridge Park station has a road running along side it (up to the depot ?). I think the platforms are on stilts upon the embankment, at least the ends would be. Possible the OP changed off the Bakerloo line at Queens Park. In the 80s would the Overground train have been a 313 ?.

Clutching at straws maybe but changing from the Bakerloo line train onto a 313 would have seemed like a step into a lighter brighter world !.

Now a question for @parcel - at Paddington did you have to go down an escalator to reach the tube ?.
I can imagine taking a large case on the deep level tube would have been a memorable ordeal.

Another idea - How about contacting people in the music industry or fellow musicians ?.
They might have used the same factory/supplier back then.

The trip there an back was interesting (but not memorable) if only.
I had a few strange looks coming back with it on London transport an back home.

 

[satisnek]

Stonebridge Park is unlikely because the road alongside just leads to railway facilities and the rest is pre-1980s housing. Unless Argenta House, directly opposite the station, used to be a factory.

How about trying some memory association? So you had an electronic drum kit, what make was it? Were you playing in a band at the time and if so were you gigging, hence the need for a sturdy case? Was this case recommended to you by a fellow band member or did you see an advert? Any memories of contacting the company before you made your trip? Think about your life at the time, where you were living, what you were doing etc. Think around this particular event and maybe something will click into place

 

[parcel]

Stonebridge Park is unlikely because the road alongside just leads to railway facilities and the rest is pre-1980s housing. Unless Argenta House, directly opposite the station, used to be a factory.

How about trying some memory association? So you had an electronic drum kit, what make was it? Were you playing in a band at the time and if so were you gigging, hence the need for a sturdy case? Was this case recommended to you by a fellow band member or did you see an advert? Any memories of contacting the company before you made your trip? Think about your life at the time, where you were living, what you were doing etc. Think around this particular event and maybe something will click into place

I'll try.
I remember I needed a protective case at the time for the newly purchased Pearl Drum X e kit (similar to a Simmons kit).
I was living on my own in a local city.

I was a gigging drummer with a cabaret band. My mate said (recently) as he remembers the kit, I got some cases from a local drum warehouse) I don't remember getting any cases from them).
He's not well at present, so cant tell me anymore.
Its possible I had the address from them. But when I contacted them, they couldnt help me.

So somehow I got an address (blank) an contacted a company in London, who would make one to my specs.
I remember (vaguely) going there to pick it up an took it back on the train back home.
It was perfect for my needs.

That's as far as I've got. No real leads..

 

[satisnek]

Ah well, it was worth a try. I did a search for Pearl Drum X to see if I could find the year it was introduced (pre- or post-Network SouthEast) but could only find '1980s'. It's apparently quite rare!

Having had a (virtual) look around London, my best guess would be Hackney Wick. This station opened in 1980 and was served by DMUs prior to electrification in 1985 when SR 2 EPB units took over (from memory). Both station and surroundings have been extensively redeveloped so it's difficult to determine what it used to look like, but it's certainly on an embankment in an industrial area.

 

[parcel]

Ah well, it was worth a try. I did a search for Pearl Drum X to see if I could find the year it was introduced (pre- or post-Network SouthEast) but could only find '1980s'. It's apparently quite rare!

Having had a (virtual) look around London, my best guess would be Hackney Wick. This station opened in 1980 and was served by DMUs prior to electrification in 1985 when SR 2 EPB units took over (from memory). Both station and surroundings have been extensively redeveloped so it's difficult to determine what it used to look like, but it's certainly on an embankment in an industrial area.

Thanks for ur research Satisnek. Yeh the Pearl e kit is rare indeed, there are a few around.
I have moved on since their introduction, to an acoustic kit then on to drum pad machine like this: Works for me.

Thats why I wanted to try find the location of the factory roughly, for memories:

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Ah well, it was worth a try. I did a search for Pearl Drum X to see if I could find the year it was introduced (pre- or post-Network SouthEast) but could only find '1980s'. It's apparently quite rare!

Having had a (virtual) look around London, my best guess would be Hackney Wick. This station opened in 1980 and was served by DMUs prior to electrification in 1985 when SR 2 EPB units took over (from memory). Both station and surroundings have been extensively redeveloped so it's difficult to determine what it used to look like, but it's certainly on an embankment in an industrial area.

The London India Rubber Works was at Hackney Wick...

 

[parcel]

The London India Rubber Works was at Hackney Wick...

It was definitely a vulcanized Fibre factory. Can't remember what else they did.
Don't recognise that station, seems to b a bit lower than the one I was lookin for.

 

[norbitonflyer]

Hackney Wick would have been a convoluted journey from Paddington.

 

[BrianW]

This relates to the site at Shalford, near Guildford that I related to earlier; https://www.surreyarchives.org.uk/collections/getrecord/SHCOL_F_4
It refers to a Stonebridge Works, so may be relevant.
Perhaps an expanding business might move out?
I don't know if this is easy for you to follow up on?

I note that, generally, 'birds of a feather flock together', like shoe shops in the High Street, or shoe-makers in Leicester, or jewellers in the Jewellery quarter, etc.

I found a listing for 'vulcanised fibre suitcases' in Hackney here: https://www.uktradeinfo.com/traders...3202?senderQueryString=commodities=420219&p=0

As has been observed, many of the 'above ground' lines in reasonable proximity to Paddington are on brick viaducts, green embankments are relatively few, and generally further out. Google earth is a great resource for exploring.

 

[Recessio]

The London India Rubber Works was at Hackney Wick...

Hackney Wick has been rebuilt and the area around massively redeveloped. Does anybody have any era appropriate images or footage?

 

[stuving]

This relates to the site at Shalford, near Guildford that I related to earlier; https://www.surreyarchives.org.uk/collections/getrecord/SHCOL_F_4
It refers to a Stonebridge Works, so may be relevant.
Perhaps an expanding business might move out?
I don't know if this is easy for you to follow up on?

The "Stonebridge site" in that document is also in Shalford, literally next door to Broadford Mills along the River Wey.

 

[BrianW]

Hackney Wick has been rebuilt and the area around massively redeveloped. Does anybody have any era appropriate images or footage?

Perhaps looking at old maps online via the FREE national Library of Scotland site might help, searching on <Hackney> or < Stonebridge>. It is a wonderful resource, and you can view today side-by-side with the past.

 

[norbitonflyer]

The "Stonebridge site" in that document is also in Shalford, literally next door to Broadford Mills along the River Wey.

Shalford has a direct train service from Reading (but not from London), so it is unlikely you would have gone into London and out again if going there from the west.