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freetoview33 said:
I doubt it, as it works from Stroud down to Tetbury and on to bath quite well.
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That's the so-called "extra bus" Monday to Friday and the Saturday working.

Monday to Friday there's another vehicle that starts in service at Old Sodbury and does 4 and a half round trips to Bath before returning direct to Stroud.

Possibly one for the Bristol outstation unless there's a wish to keep both 620s at Stroud?

Of course there may be timetable changes to come for the 84, 85, 86 and 620 to coincide with the opening of the Bristol outstation which will negate any guessing at what may happen in September.
 
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g4mby said:
That's the so-called "extra bus" Monday to Friday and the Saturday working.

Monday to Friday there's another vehicle that starts in service at Old Sodbury and does 4 and a half round trips to Bath before returning direct to Stroud.

Possibly one for the Bristol outstation unless there's a wish to keep both 620s at Stroud?

Of course there may be timetable changes to come for the 84, 85, 86 and 620 to coincide with the opening of the Bristol outstation which will negate any guessing at what may happen in September.
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I don't think it will be moved to begin with, but if things go well then it might well be. A possible idea could be to work with councils and have the 69 being Stroud - Yate and the 620 Yate - Bath. It's possible to work it like that.
 
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freetoview33 said:
I don't think it will be moved to begin with, but if things go well then it might well be. A possible idea could be to work with councils and have the 69 being Stroud - Yate and the 620 Yate - Bath. It's possible to work it like that.
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the current 620 situation could actually be a handy way to get buses between the main depot and outstation
 
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matt_splat said:
the current 620 situation could actually be a handy way to get buses between the main depot and outstation
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Would buses need to go back to Stroud though? As SGBC could do maintenance Mot ect but that leads back to the question of how close the working relationship will be.
 
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Roger might be retiring all selling up to Stagecoach.The tie up was a strategic business by Stagecoach.They will take over a working depot.All will be revealed in July.As most will know Stagevoach and First tend to battle it out wherever they operate.This is just a start
 
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Mwanesh said:
Roger might be retiring all selling up to Stagecoach.The tie up was a strategic business by Stagecoach.They will take over a working depot.All will be revealed in July.As most will know Stagevoach and First tend to battle it out wherever they operate.This is just a start
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That is why imo First will be very closely following all this. You didn't say it, but Stagecoach have had a tendency to win such battles, if anyone can be declared a winner. I might just add that I don't necessarily believe Stagecoach would win here if it came to a battle if First kept their nerve.
 
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Busaholic said:
That is why imo First will be very closely following all this. You didn't say it, but Stagecoach have had a tendency to win such battles, if anyone can be declared a winner. I might just add that I don't necessarily believe Stagecoach would win here if it came to a battle if First kept their nerve.
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The 'battle' in Manchester has had a significant detrimental effect on the profit margins of both operations, so I'm not sure they'll be too keen to start another one!
 
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Mwanesh said:
Roger might be retiring all selling up to Stagecoach.The tie up was a strategic business by Stagecoach.They will take over a working depot.All will be revealed in July.As most will know Stagevoach and First tend to battle it out wherever they operate.This is just a start
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Interesting. Give Stagecoach an inch and they take a mile!
 
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Why? Stagecoach now has a base for Megabus work and council tenders. I think First will be rather pleased its managed to replace Wessex with Stagecoach.
 
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overthewater said:
Why? Stagecoach now has a base for Megabus work and council tenders. I think First will be rather pleased its managed to replace Wessex with Stagecoach.
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Think about it.... Stagecoach won't be happy with tendered routes for long. First will be on the receiving end of high uality competition and will find it a lot harder to fight off compared to Wessex.
 
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Think about it.... Stagecoach won't be happy with tendered routes for long. First will be on the receiving end of high uality competition and will find it a lot harder to fight off compared to Wessex.
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Are you sure? If the depot was for Megabus work, then maybe there just wanted something else to balance the books.
 
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Think about it.... Stagecoach won't be happy with tendered routes for long. First will be on the receiving end of high uality competition and will find it a lot harder to fight off compared to Wessex.
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C&G's approach to high quality competition in Swindon is some 13 year old darts!
 
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Mwanesh said:
Roger might be retiring all selling up to Stagecoach.The tie up was a strategic business by Stagecoach.They will take over a working depot.All will be revealed in July.As most will know Stagevoach and First tend to battle it out wherever they operate.This is just a start
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This could be interesting if Stagecoach do take on more work in Bristol. I unfortunately can't see First lasting much longer nationwide let alone in Bristol. Stagecoach will be welcome. Depending on where they're based I might even take up a job with them.
 
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THarris123 said:
This could be interesting if Stagecoach do take on more work in Bristol. I unfortunately can't see First lasting much longer nationwide let alone in Bristol. Stagecoach will be welcome. Depending on where they're based I might even take up a job with them.
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They're going to be based at the SG bus and coach depot next to Patchway railway station.
 
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THarris123 said:
But would they look to move closer to centre at some point if things go well and they feel like competing more?
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Where?
Theres no point in having centrally located depots (even if there was any space to locate one). Buses take people into town in the morning and out in the evening. Patchway is about as good as you can get, especially when the services you run arnt actually from Bristol anyway.
 
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THarris123 said:
This could be interesting if Stagecoach do take on more work in Bristol. I unfortunately can't see First lasting much longer nationwide let alone in Bristol. Stagecoach will be welcome. Depending on where they're based I might even take up a job with them.
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You change with the wind :roll:

14th June - "I think we are digging into this a little too much. Stagecoach will probably operate 77, the Yate services and a couple of 62s from Sgbc, plus maybe 18. First won't be overly worried - they've given up 18 to let someone else take it on knowing full well Stagecoach could get it. They have bigger fish to fry with Metrobus and the ongoing staff shortages to sort out. Any work that can't be easily operated from depots will likely go, which luckily won't leave much more to go."

Six days to go from "nothing to see here" to full First implosion.....
 
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freetoview33 said:
It could be interesting as Stagecoach tend to be able to make longer distance services work, where First tend not to!
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Stagecoach tend to have some longer distance services but only because it suits them operationally. Not certain many do Gloucester to Bristol or Swindon to Andover; I might note that the 62 in the morning seemingly has the same 5/6 passengers with Stagecoach as it was when the the 88 and previously the 224.

Stagecoach aren't immune to the same issues of congestion destroying reliability or that some bits just don't justify their retention - see the 700 Coastliner in Sussex/Hants or the former 73 Gloucester to Newport.

The 21 from Weston to Taunton was bedevilled by poor reliability so it does make sense to split services sometimes.
 
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TheGrandWazoo said:
You change with the wind :roll:

14th June - "I think we are digging into this a little too much. Stagecoach will probably operate 77, the Yate services and a couple of 62s from Sgbc, plus maybe 18. First won't be overly worried - they've given up 18 to let someone else take it on knowing full well Stagecoach could get it. They have bigger fish to fry with Metrobus and the ongoing staff shortages to sort out. Any work that can't be easily operated from depots will likely go, which luckily won't leave much more to go."

Six days to go from "nothing to see here" to full First implosion.....
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Yeah ok fine I'll accept that one.

I think First will be fine for the time being and Stagecoach will run the Yate services and 77 from Sgbc currently.

After a while if First don't improve profits, then I think there will be questions on whether they will last. Stagecoach could move into Bristol more at any time, but for the time being they'll play it safe and see how First pan out with Metrobus.
 
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