overthewater
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Was there really no one using this service even to North Motherwell?
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paisleytrans
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Back in 2021 the route was temporarily changed to terminate just short of North Motherwell due to attacks and vandalism on buses. I suspect that has turned a lot of people away from using the service as it is about a 1 mile walk to the scheme, which as you can guess at that time of night in the dark can be frightening for older people.
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And that contract is also up for renewal this year so we'll see if he even keeps that on
318266
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And before then they are subject to restriction to prevent abstraction of passengers from the Johnstone and Area Community Transport new route 9. Although when I went on the route on Monday (on a legal journey) it didn't seem to be enforced at all...
I understand it to be no travel between Johnstone/Brookfield/and Bridge of Weir on the McGill's services. Hard work for the drivers to enforce and it seems strange to have such an overlap but there you go. Usual grumbles on social media about it and also cost of new buses and changing now.
I know they are not for profit but hard area to make work.
voidwxrranty
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there was a rumour he was retiring. so this might be why.
Stan Drews
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The ‘ban’ is unenforceable without a registration change, so in practice nobody should actually be turned away.
Doesn't seem to match what is happening on the ground at least according to people on social media
Honestly, I'm surprised that they thought the Johnstone - Kilmacolm link was important enough to keep, given that between Kilmacolm and Linwood, the only difference between the 1A and the X7 is that the 1A serves Erskinefauld Road
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The agenda and papers for the latest Operations Committee are now on the SPT website at the following link.
The two most relevant reports are the following pair which provide details of the first round of recommended awards.
Apologies for not being able to copy and paste the tables from these pdfs. I’m not sure if/how that can be done, but if it can I’m sure someone on here will now how!
The two most relevant reports are the following pair which provide details of the first round of recommended awards.
Apologies for not being able to copy and paste the tables from these pdfs. I’m not sure if/how that can be done, but if it can I’m sure someone on here will now how!
voidwxrranty
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it appears SPT has locked them, as I can't either.
A lot of reductions due to low demand, but I see we still have anomalies such as the Sunday service 49 Silverburn to Shawlands (Via South park Village).
A service which does not run during the week or covered by another service, as the 49 runs South Park Village to Govan (via Silverburn) during the week.
A service which does not run during the week or covered by another service, as the 49 runs South Park Village to Govan (via Silverburn) during the week.
markymark2000
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Doing things like that would require common sense. Something that SPT seem to struggle with with their tenders. Tendered network is more of a mess than an toddler with a can of spaghetti.
They do get a lot of political pressure so very often services are a sop to that.
The 49 is a strange one on a Sunday and I can't figure it out either -not sure why it runs to Shawlands when the rest of the time it stops at B&Q in Darnley. Equally - the 153 which on a Sunday during the day covers for the north part of the 49 but runs to Cessnock during the day - why not just run it to Govan as a 49? The evening 153 makes sense as it is covering the X8 stopping early..
markymark2000
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The evening 153s don't make any sense either. It's duplicated for most of the journey by many buses along Paisley Road and from Glasgow all the way to Corkerhill Road it's duplicated by the First 10. For 24 minutes of its 34 minute journey, it's duplicated by a core service. The 153 should be replaced by X8s or 49s. X8s may be more difficult because then taxpayers would be funding the fast bus to kind of compete and remove pax from the commercial routes but would likely be busier. 49 would keep the links from Pollock estates to Paisley Road for other buses to Glasgow and provide evening links up to Govan to connect onto the subway. Either way, significantly better use of resources than the silly 153.
paisleytrans
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This will be going back a bit but I wonder it will use the same route the first bus X86 & 27 used to go years ago. Also if the 72/178 goes to McGills that'll be Craigs cumbernauld lost all his routes.
voidwxrranty
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Yes, it was going to happen eventually that Craigs would finally go under.
Glasgowbusguy
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He has service 310.
AndrewTaylor95
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No he doesn't, Stagecoach have had that since last year
I can see the logic of the 153 - it's trying to be an evening Glasgow service for North Pollok once the X8 is off and cover the 49 to an extent. The Sunday runs to Cessnock are bizarre.
voidwxrranty
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they have been there since the 153 was originated with WCM (at the time Glasgow Citybus), was a bit of a pain.
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no he doesn't. he lost service 310 due to poor performance. Same with the 245 and 117A.
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Sorry I had misread the document
Stan Drews
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An internal update to McGill’s staff today about the recent SPT tendering round, advised that they are also cancelling the 121 service between Govan and Govanhill/Victoria Hospital at the end of March.
paisleytrans
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Is someone else taking over or is the route getting stopped altogether?
voidwxrranty
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That’s quite the shame to be honest. Myself and my auntie use the service often.
I guess in the era of cuts it makes sense. First 90 largely duplicates the route from Govan to Pollokshields West area - it is very slightly different in Ibrox (Copeland Road rather than Broomloan) and missing Maxwell Drive in Pollokshields, but most connections are retained. The east Govanhill section is the only bit that lacks replacement but not exactly cut off.
Timetable for the 121 is increasingly tight being a 1 bus operation - if Rangers are playing forget doing the whole route!
Timetable for the 121 is increasingly tight being a 1 bus operation - if Rangers are playing forget doing the whole route!
A recent update. There are quite a lot of changes for McColl's routes from the 16th February with journey reductions on all of their services if you compare their old timetables to the new ones.
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Looking at them it seems that the main purpose has been to put lunch breaks into the timetable so they don't need to have them be covered by other drivers.
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Stan Drews
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Stopped altogether.
Buzby
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That explains a lot - Canavan’s 447 service has a single ‘hole’ at lunchtime on their usual hourly service….
Stan Drews
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Yes, it’s becoming increasingly common, especially on one bus contracts. Build the timetable so that one driver can do the whole thing with an appropriately timed break and it becomes very efficient in terms of driver costs.
SPT are desperate to find budget savings, so if you can get maybe £10-15k of the annual cost of 10 such contracts you’ve found over £100k of savings.