Southern Class 455 Withdrawal

[physics34]

Working from Vic to Stew Lane. Not selhurst!

Yep shouldve read it properly oops

 

[43095john]

Farewell posters starting to appear on the 455s. Noticed 5808 and 5829 both adorned with them

 

[brad465]

The paths are now in for 377163 & 164 to return to Southern tomorrow. Whilst not strictly related to 455s retiring (more to do with the next withdrawal).

5P46 11+40 Ramsgate EMUD to Victoria

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5Y47 14+13 Victoria to Selhurst T&RSMD

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Do we know what will replace their operations in SE territory (if anything, as I wouldn't be surprised if this just means short forming a couple of sets)?

 

[Jturner98]

Do we know what will replace their operations in SE territory (if anything, as I wouldn't be surprised if this just means short forming a couple of sets)?

Possibly 465s. Saw a post on a group on Facebook (forget which one) of a 465 at Ashford sidings a few weeks back for either driver training or familiarisation

 

[brad465]

Possibly 465s. Saw a post on a group on Facebook (forget which one) of a 465 at Ashford sidings a few weeks back for either driver training or familiarisation

There have been a few of those yes, so it's possible they might bring a couple of passenger workings back in to increase the familiarisation before a larger cascade once more 377s are expected to go back to Southern. However, as only 2x 377s are leaving Southeastern right now, that's not a big ask to just reduce some formations, especially considering the larger reduction in train lengths on key Southern services with the 455 departure.

 

[YSTrains]

Can someone post the timetable for tomorrow please. I'm not up to date with the posts.

 

[Class 466]

There have been a few of those yes, so it's possible they might bring a couple of passenger workings back in to increase the familiarisation before a larger cascade once more 377s are expected to go back to Southern. However, as only 2x 377s are leaving Southeastern right now, that's not a big ask to just reduce some formations, especially considering the larger reduction in train lengths on key Southern services with the 455 departure.

the number of available 377s to diagram drops from 22 to 20 in May and they’re being taken off of the 2K Vic - GLM and replaced by available 465s.

No 465 work on the Maidstone East line for a couple of months yet. Southeastern will keep 11 of the 377/5s in the end.

 

[brad465]

the number of available 377s to diagram drops from 22 to 20 in May and they’re being taken off of the 2K Vic - GLM and replaced by available 465s.

No 465 work on the Maidstone East line for a couple of months yet. Southeastern will keep 11 of the 377/5s in the end.

Makes sense I suppose. Do you know if 465s are running empty stock down the Maidstone East line? I know they've been to Ashford from Grove Park via the SEML.

 

[AY1975]

Does anyone have any gen about what diagrams the Southern 455s are on today? And what normal service diagrams they will be on tomorrow, their last day?

 

[LA50041]

Does anyone have any gen about what diagrams the Southern 455s are on today? And what normal service diagrams they will be on tomorrow, their last day?

Diagrams for tomorrow are in message 747 in this thread.

 

[AY1975]

Diagrams for tomorrow are in message 747 in this thread.

Unfortunately I don't seem to be able to open the attachment on my phone and I haven't got a laptop with me. My smartphone is two and a half years old and it's not an iPhone so probably not sophisticated enough to be able to open Microsoft Excel files.

In particular, I was wondering if the 17.21, 17.26, 17.51 or 17.56 West Croydon-Victoria or anything going from East Croydon to either Victoria or London Bridge (or West Croydon to London Bridge) between about 16.45 and 18.00 were going to be 455s.

 

[Dhansak]

Plenty of 455s out and about today. Just clocked my last two of the day (5808 and 5844) on the 2J44 Caterham to London Bridge. Out of interest, does anyone know the identity of the lone 455 sitting at Selhurst Depot?

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Incidentally there are also a number of sets (3 I think) parked in the down sidings at Horsham. 455812 is the end unit, I did not catch the others.

 

[YSTrains]

I would like to take the service stopping at Crystal Palace after seeing the tour service depart. The diagram is confusing to me.

 

[Class455]

Plenty of 455s out and about today. Just clocked my last two of the day (5808 and 5844) on the 2J44 Caterham to London Bridge. Out of interest, does anyone know the identity of the lone 455 sitting at Selhurst Depot?

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Incidentally there are also a number of sets (3 I think) parked in the down sidings at Horsham. 455812 is the end unit, I did not catch the others.

The lone 455 at Selhurst depot is 455814. It was meant to go out paired with 455801 today but unfortunately 5801 had a minor brake defect so is not out today and may not return to service.

455812 was in service this morning but returned to Stewart’s Lane after the morning peak. 455837 was paired with it so I assume that’s one of the other units with it.

 

[JonathanH]

I would like to take the service stopping at Crystal Palace after seeing the tour service depart. The diagram is confusing to me.

From the diagrams 2K14 is the 0906 London Victoria to West Croydon via Crystal Palace which is part of diagram SL512 on the plan in message 747, and therefore booked for a 455 tomorrow.

The next train from Victoria via Crystal Palace is 2F18 0920 London Victoria to London Bridge which is not listed so won't be a 455, neither is
2K16 0936 London Victoria to West Croydon, but 2F20 0950 London Victoria to London Bridge is part of diagram SL504

 

[Dhansak]

The lone 455 at Selhurst depot is 455814. It was meant to go out paired with 455801 today but unfortunately 5801 had a minor brake defect so is not out today and may not return to service.

455812 was in service this morning but returned to Stewart’s Lane after the morning peak. 455837 was paired with it so I assume that’s one of the other units with it.

Thanks

 

[YSTrains]

From the diagrams 2K14 is the 0906 London Victoria to West Croydon via Crystal Palace which is part of diagram SL512 on the plan in message 747, and therefore booked for a 455 tomorrow.

The next train from Victoria via Crystal Palace is 2F18 0920 London Victoria to London Bridge which is not listed so won't be a 455, neither is
2K16 0936 London Victoria to West Croydon, but 2F20 0950 London Victoria to London Bridge is part of diagram SL504

Thanks. Looks like I will have to stand at platform 9 then to see the tour train go out.

 

[73128]

No you’re not being thick. It hasn’t been uploaded onto NR systems yet and I don’t think they will until the day of the tour.

Some timings were there last night and all are now.

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Anyone who was hoping to catch a 455 to Tattenham Corner but missed out, you’re in luck tonight. According to a reliable source, 5832 and 5818 are set to work an an additional return service from London Victoria to Tattenham Corner. Reason is currently unknown.
2P55 20:03 London Victoria to Tattenham Corner (all stations up to Coulsdon Town)
2P56 21:45 Tattenham Corner to London Victoria (stopping pattern currently unknown)

One pair went to Coulsdon Town (vice Caterham) owing to late running this morning.

 

[m4tt]

Hi, is this a storage move tommorow? Thanks

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[Surreytraveller]

Hi, is this a storage move tommorow? Thanks

Realtime Trains | 3U11 0900 Stewarts Lane T&R.S.M.D to Horsham Carriage Sidings | 14/05/2022

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Maybe its a back-up in case the tour train fails

 

[fgwrich]

The lone 455 at Selhurst depot is 455814. It was meant to go out paired with 455801 today but unfortunately 5801 had a minor brake defect so is not out today and may not return to service.

455812 was in service this morning but returned to Stewart’s Lane after the morning peak. 455837 was paired with it so I assume that’s one of the other units with it.

That’s a shame, I had 5801 last night and it certainly was a fine unit. Though 5817 was just that little bit better!

(5805s compressor was equally impressive last night, not being able to make its mind up)

 

[3973EXL]

STP 17/05 5Q55 1038 Stewarts Lane - Newport Docks
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K00728/2022-05-17/detailed

STP 19/05 5Q55 1038 Stewarts Lane - Newport Docks
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K00728/2022-05-19/detailed

 

[phantomphish]

On my Mini Marauder tour today and I got 5834&5836 on 2H38 CYP-SBM , 5844&5808 on 2J39 SBM-SRC , 5833&5822 on 2B76/2B87 SRC-EPD-WSW, 2xUnknown on 2B02 WSW-SRC, 5802&5845 on 2J48 SRC-TUH, 5811&5840 on 2H49/2H54 TUH-BKJ-CYP. Not a bad day out

 

[Islineclear3_1]

5829 + 5811 have broken down at Wandsworth Common working 2B04 06.02 VIV-EPD (I think) so stopping services are using FL. Hope tour isn't delayed too much

 

[Dren Ahmeti]

5829 + 5811 have broken down at Wandsworth Common working 2B04 06.02 VIV-EPD (I think) so stopping services are using FL. Hope tour isn't delayed too much

Just 455811 on the 2B04!
Unit decided to lose power; no line light or main res, so all fun and games when 1Z99 comes into play!

8 coaches are being platformed at VIC until they take them to Stewarts Lane.

They don’t want to go quietly, seemingly.

 

[PGAT]

Haven’t been able to travel too much recently, but here are some 455s on the few different days i could travel.

 

[trainmania100]

Is there a spare 455 available incase the tour breaks down as well?

 

[Ant1966]

If anyone sees/knows where they've dragged 5811 off to in disgrace, please let me know!

 

[Dren Ahmeti]

If anyone sees/knows where they've dragged 5811 off to in disgrace, please let me know!

Platform 10 earlier.

 

[Southern Dvr]

Platform 10 earlier.

Will go into Stew Lane and probably be expedited for departure to Newport. Gather the units with the most mileage left on them will go to Horsham and other undisclosed locations prior to scrap runs.