Southeastern metro fleet replacement/improvement

[Geogregor]

Today is one of those days, multiple train failures meaning that service is atrocious. Especially as one unit blocked platforms 1-4 at Victoria. SE really needs fleet replacement ASAP.

 

[ScotGG]

Are the 465/9s easier to clean or just get more attention?

Have a look at the fittings such as window seals, grills, plastic edges etc and the /9s seem cleaned at least regularly. The rest seem to go without cleaning for months if not years. I'm not talking about left over crisp packets for example but grot that gets in corners, nooks and crannies and stays forever on most of the fleet. The /9s though avoid much of this. Can panels be removed this easier to clean beneath and around?

Today typifies it. The 465/1 had no window seal left pretty much and grime stuck along the base of the window where a seal should be plus some suspicious stuff (looked like yoghurt or even vomit) all around the vents. Appeared to be there for a long time. Loads of hairs stuck around it. The 465/9 after was spotless around the vents at foot level where the heating is located and panels generally clean all over. Massive contrast but common to see.

 

[NSEWonderer]

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I'm very excited to see this in person again, shame about the doors remaining grey but that's for accessibility reasons which is fair.

Looks like the stickers are on(Just seen this being sent about)

 

[Bikeman78]

Are the 465/9s easier to clean or just get more attention?

Have a look at the fittings such as window seals, grills, plastic edges etc and the /9s seem cleaned at least regularly. The rest seem to go without cleaning for months if not years. I'm not talking about left over crisp packets for example but grot that gets in corners, nooks and crannies and stays forever on most of the fleet. The /9s though avoid much of this. Can panels be removed this easier to clean beneath and around?

Today typifies it. The 465/1 had no window seal left pretty much and grime stuck along the base of the window where a seal should be plus some suspicious stuff (looked like yoghurt or even vomit) all around the vents. Appeared to be there for a long time. Loads of hairs stuck around it. The 465/9 after was spotless around the vents at foot level where the heating is located and panels generally clean all over. Massive contrast but common to see.

Some things don't change. I remember those window seals being missing 25 years ago. I recall when the 465s started running to Maidstone replacing the slam doors. They were already looking tatty.

 

[Doomotron]

I think the grey doors look quite good. If NSE continued using the toothpaste livery into the 2000s (if BR wasn't privatised) I think that's what it would probably look like.

 

[gmaguire]

Looks like the stickers are on(Just seen this being sent about)

Very nice. Looks like a decal is being applied under one of the windows?

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I just noticed the shade of grey on the doors seems to match that in the NSE logo. That would make sense. Previously I thought they just needed a colour to contrast with the body and went with a neutral grey.

 

[XCTurbostar]

It also now has Southeastern branding in the usual place. It looks excellent.

 

[gmaguire]

It also now has Southeastern branding in the usual place. It looks excellent.

Is it the standard Southeastern logo?

 

[XCTurbostar]

It appears so

 

[Class15]

It appears so

I don’t know if it’s just me but I don’t see any text there?

 

[Fincra5]

I don’t know if it’s just me but I don’t see any text there?

I just see a reflection of something on the wall tbh...

 

[XCTurbostar]

I can see it on the far left of the reflection
@NSEWonderer Would you be able to confirm the presence of SE branding?

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Does anyone know if the cant line is required?
The original never had this.

 

[NSEWonderer]

I can see it on the far left of the reflection
@NSEWonderer Would you be able to confirm the presence of SE branding?

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Does anyone know if the cant line is required?
The original never had this.

It's non reflectance scrubbing i believe for a decal later on

 

[XCTurbostar]

Path in for 37 to return to Derby. No scrap moves this week. https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:R55785/2025-02-21/detailed

 

[wls1]

is it the old logo as applied to 377121/122 or have they put the new logo on?

 

[XCTurbostar]

Path in for a Loco on Monday, expect a scrap move on Tuesday and maybe Thursday.

Realtime Trains | 0L46 0523 Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail) to Ely Mlf Papworth Sidings | 24/02/2025

Real-time train running information for 0L46 0523 departure from Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail) to Ely Mlf Papworth Sidings on 24/02/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[Chiltern006]

is it the old logo as applied to 377121/122 or have they put the new logo on?

Old logo, presumably what they had lying spare. Will be re-done into a full SE livery in due course

 

[Cowley]

Just a reminder to keep things on topic please. Discussion of these units acceleration speeds isn’t really what the thread is for!

Obviously you’re welcome to start a new thread on the subject if you want.

 

[brad465]

Path in for a Loco on Monday, expect a scrap move on Tuesday and maybe Thursday.

Realtime Trains | 0L46 0523 Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail) to Ely Mlf Papworth Sidings | 24/02/2025

Real-time train running information for 0L46 0523 departure from Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail) to Ely Mlf Papworth Sidings on 24/02/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

No scrap moves have shown up, while the Leicester and Laira-related 175 drags have, so it looks like no scrap moves are planned this week.

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Tomorrow apparently is the media event for 465908, taking place at Charing X after the morning peak. Given that the RTT diagrams give the unit only 12 minutes at Charing X (before running empty to Grove Park), this won't be a lengthy display:

Realtime Trains | 5Z00 0900 Gillingham E.M.U.D. to London Charing Cross | 25/02/2025

Real-time train running information for 5Z00 0900 departure from Gillingham E.M.U.D. to London Charing Cross on 25/02/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Realtime Trains | 5Z02 1050 London Charing Cross to Grove Park Down C.H.S. | 25/02/2025

Real-time train running information for 5Z02 1050 departure from London Charing Cross to Grove Park Down C.H.S. on 25/02/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[Wheelnut]

The is going up to Charing cross as an eight car. It detaches, leaving 465908 at Charing cross for the event. The other part then leaves for Grove Park.

 

[NSEWonderer]

Tuesday 25th Feb is the planned date for the event. Last i heard.

 

[Class15]

Tuesday 25th Feb is the planned date for the event. Last i heard.

Link doesn’t work.

 

[NSEWonderer]

Link doesn’t work.

Updated

 

[Horizon22]

It's on X/Twitter too: https://x.com/Se_Railway/status/1894071351096361277

 

[MrB]

The is going up to Charing cross as an eight car. It detaches, leaving 465908 at Charing cross for the event. The other part then leaves for Grove Park.

There is another path in leaving CHX at 12:27, which is presumably the unit in question returning to depot (given the Z headcode)

Realtime Trains | 5Z04 1227 London Charing Cross to Grove Park Down C.H.S. | 25/02/2025

Real-time train running information for 5Z04 1227 departure from London Charing Cross to Grove Park Down C.H.S. on 25/02/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[Wheelspinz]

Are the 465/9s easier to clean or just get more attention?

Have a look at the fittings such as window seals, grills, plastic edges etc and the /9s seem cleaned at least regularly. The rest seem to go without cleaning for months if not years. I'm not talking about left over crisp packets for example but grot that gets in corners, nooks and crannies and stays forever on most of the fleet. The /9s though avoid much of this. Can panels be removed this easier to clean beneath and around?

Today typifies it. The 465/1 had no window seal left pretty much and grime stuck along the base of the window where a seal should be plus some suspicious stuff (looked like yoghurt or even vomit) all around the vents. Appeared to be there for a long time. Loads of hairs stuck around it. The 465/9 after was spotless around the vents at foot level where the heating is located and panels generally clean all over. Massive contrast but common to see.

The 465/9's & 466's in service have had a C6 overhaul at Wabtec Doncaster that includes removing and cleaning of these.

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Old logo, presumably what they had lying spare. Will be re-done into a full SE livery in due course

The new Southeastern logo has 'South' in white so wouldn't work on white bodyside. The 'old' one has 'South' in blue on white bodyside.

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So annoying that they’ve gone for a /9 though! The one subclass that didn’t exist in NSE days! I’m assuming that they picked a /9 because they’re being overhauled at the minute?

Yes the last C6 overhaul

 

[Doomotron]

The new Southeastern logo has 'South' in white so wouldn't work on white bodyside. The 'old' one has 'South' in blue on white bodyside.

There are multiple versions of the updated SE logo with different colours. The Southeastern website has version intended for use on a white background.

 

[brad465]

Having had a look at some of the images of 465908 on its way to Charing X circulating, the unit appears to have "Celebrating Railway 200" in red next to the Southeastern logos, and also has the old "Kent Link Networker" inscription on the side too. The red squares look like a pair of red curtains, so I'm wondering if there's something underneath them being unveiled at the media event?

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Tuesday 25th Feb is the planned date for the event. Last i heard.

So, "tomorrow"

 

[XCTurbostar]

So it was SE branded, my eyes weren't deceiving me last week!
Really glad it received 'Kent Link Networker' stickers,
I still can't get used to the cant line, I don't understand why it is needed.