smoking ban

[Andrew Nelson]

Do folks think the Smoking Ban is being properly enforced?

I have seen People Smoking on major Stations, like Leeds, without being challenged.

And Staff at Halifax, West Kirby and New Brighton, indulging in the habit themselves.

 

[imagination]

I think most people enforce themselves.

One situation I can think of where people lit up was a large group of drunks (about 15 of them) that had been on the train with me making the journey as unpleasant as possible who, after leaving the train, all lit up and started smoking. I think people were scared of interrupting them, just as the guard on the train seemed to have been scared of walking down the train with them in it.

 

[merlodlliw]

self enforcement is the best way,the authorities know the difficulties, it is only obvious continuous blatant non compliance that is not tolerated, the signs should be sufficient, just point to them, not worth an argument in my opinion.

Anyhow one station owned by Stena & worked by ATW is exempt from the smoking ban, Fishguard.

 

[AlterEgo]

Anyhow one station owned by Stena & worked by ATW is exempt from the smoking ban, Fishguard.

Really? That's quite interesting. Why's that?

 

[Andrew Nelson]

self enforcement is the best way,the authorities know the difficulties, it is only obvious continuous blatant non compliance that is not tolerated, the signs should be sufficient, just point to them, not worth an argument in my opinion.

Anyhow one station owned by Stena & worked by ATW is exempt from the smoking ban, Fishguard.

Exempt?

How?

 

[umontu]

At Kirkham & Wesham the platform is so long that people just go down the end of the platform and think they're hidden. Don't know why because that's down wind so people can smell it and know they're there.

 

[AlterEgo]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7032642.stm

I've just found it here. Strange, but sensible.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

I am unsure whether on rail stations, the matter could be addressed by the Railway Police or by members of the local police force, but I think it is now a criminal offence to smoke in certain public places, such as rail and bus stations.

In bus stations in Greater Manchester, there are various pre-recorded messages that are randomly transmitted on various matters, including smoking, which has a very specific warning incorporated in that one.

I was recently on Wythenshawe bus station when such a "smoking" message was announced. There were five people all together as a family group...all smoking. It made not the slightest difference to them. I am not stupid enough to have pointed out any matters of how their behaviour would affect other passengers with "Passive Smoking", let alone the damage they were doing to their own health, as they could have well been taken as members of a "Tag Wrestling" team, such was their build (and girth!!).

There is another message transmitted to the effect that "Greater Manchester Police" patrol the bus station, but this is something that I have yet to see in real life.

Whether on train stations or bus stations, these health warnings are totally ignored by the people to whom they are intended. I know that your post mentioned rail stations, but this is now a general problem at all transport premises.

 

[Andrew Nelson]

Does anybody know of any convictions?

 

[AlterEgo]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ck-Hogan-given-smoking-ban-jail-sentence.html

 

[Andrew Nelson]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ck-Hogan-given-smoking-ban-jail-sentence.html

I ment for smoking on a Railway Station.

(I'd seen thisone).

 

[DaveNewcastle]

Anyhow one station owned by Stena & worked by ATW is exempt from the smoking ban, Fishguard.

As are all those stations operated by Scotrail with open areas : http://www.scotrail.co.uk/content/stations-az

 

[umontu]

In bus stations in Greater Manchester, there are various pre-recorded messages that are randomly transmitted on various matters, including smoking, which has a very specific warning incorporated in that one.

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There is another message transmitted to the effect that "Greater Manchester Police" patrol the bus station, but this is something that I have yet to see in real life.

Whether on train stations or bus stations, these health warnings are totally ignored by the people to whom they are intended. I know that your post mentioned rail stations, but this is now a general problem at all transport premises.

Everyone ignores them I mentioned somewhere recently a man on a tpe train started smoking in the toilet, the announcement played twice, very close together and he didn't stop. When the driver finally yelled he'd stop the train if the guy didn't stop then he walked out of the toilet.

The Shudehill (I think it's called that) bus station has those, I've never seen the police in it at all.

 

[Andrew Nelson]

Everyone ignores them I mentioned somewhere recently a man on a tpe train started smoking in the toilet, the announcement played twice, very close together and he didn't stop. When the driver finally yelled he'd stop the train if the guy didn't stop then he walked out of the toilet.

The Shudehill (I think it's called that) bus station has those, I've never seen the police in it at all.

If nobody enforces the Ban, then People will stop taking any notice.

No Law will work, without proper enforcement.

 

[DaveNewcastle]

If nobody enforces the Ban, then People will stop taking any notice.

which is pretty much how the equivalent law in France, la Loi Evin (1991) was received.

 

[Andrew Nelson]

which is pretty much how the equivalent law in France, la Loi Evin (1991) was received.

Indeed.

 

[hairyhandedfool]

The ban on smoking in enclosed areas brought in by the Government does not cover the vast majority of station platforms, because most are not enclosed. I think most of those that are considered enclosed already had smoking bans in place under the Fire Precautions Act 1971 (Section 12, subsurface stations 1989). The 'smoking ban' that includes open platforms is Railway Byelaw 3, which requires the presence of no smoking signs.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

If nobody enforces the Ban, then People will stop taking any notice.

No Law will work, without proper enforcement.

Enforcement....yes, but by the proper authorities who are traned correctly in the method of law enforement.

Unfortunately, the recent public sector cuts have led to less of the Police, with the authority in law, to be able to fulfil all these demands. Many Chief Constables have spoken either in print or on the media of what the budgetry cuts actually mean in terms of front-line policing and of the reduced numbers of officers available to carry out such duties. They will just concentrate on certain types of crimes.....with less emphasis on lower-grade crime.

Remember, Police Community Support Officers and SIA accredited security staff do NOT have the full powers of a police officer.

Unfortunately, we, the travelling public have got about as much chance of seeing smoking stopped at rail stations or on trains as we have as seeing "morons" travelling without putting their feet on seats. It is not a case of expecting the law of the land to be enforced....it is the lack of officers to ensure adherrance is carried out.

Gone are the days when you could transport all such miscreants to the other side of the world.....more's the pity

 

[Andrew Nelson]

Enforcement....yes, but by the proper authorities who are traned correctly in the method of law enforement.

Unfortunately, the recent public sector cuts have led to less of the Police, with the authority in law, to be able to fulfil all these demands. Many Chief Constables have spoken either in print or on the media of what the budgetry cuts actually mean in terms of front-line policing and of the reduced numbers of officers available to carry out such duties. They will just concentrate on certain types of crimes.....with less emphasis on lower-grade crime.

Remember, Police Community Support Officers and SIA accredited security staff do NOT have the full powers of a police officer.

Unfortunately, we, the travelling public have got about as much chance of seeing smoking stopped at rail stations or on trains as we have as seeing "morons" travelling without putting their feet on seats. It is not a case of expecting the law of the land to be enforced....it is the lack of officers to ensure adherrance is carried out.

Gone are the days when you could transport all such miscreants to the other side of the world.....more's the pity

Unfortunately, it's not the "Proper Authorities" who are responsible for enforcement.

A Publican, or Bar Person is responsible in a Public House.
Station Staff at a Station, an Me, or My Staff at My Premises.

The Council, or Police then Prosecute the Publican, Staff or Me, for not enforcing it, or in Legal Speak, for allowing it to happen.

 

[FLHH East Anglia]

If nobody enforces the Ban, then People will stop taking any notice.

No Law will work, without proper enforcement.

Which is why people blatantly STILL smoke in works vehicles,perhaps the plastic,sorry community officers could do something????????:-x

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Unfortunately, it's not the "Proper Authorities" who are responsible for enforcement.

A Publican, or Bar Person is responsible in a Public House.
Station Staff at a Station, an Me, or My Staff at My Premises.

The Council, or Police then Prosecute the Publican, Staff or Me, for not enforcing it, or in Legal Speak, for allowing it to happen.

My wording causing havoc again. I was saying that only the Police have the power of law vested in them in which to be responsible to enforce the law.

I do not think that Publicans, their staff and visitors come into that category, as I also quoted the examples of Police Community Support Officers and SIA trained Security Officers as not having the power of the Police in terms of what their remit allows in actual terms of law enforcement.

Your point concerning the possibility of prosecution of Publicans (et al) for "allowing the offence to happen" is well taken and understood, but I cannot expand on that aspect as I am not legally trained. Perhaps there are contributors on this thread who could you a legalistic definition with regard to that very specific point.

 

[Bomber]

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Unfortunately, the recent public sector cuts have led to less of the Police, with the authority in law, to be able to fulfil all these demands.

Don't make me laugh, there were never any police in our area before the so called cuts, so how can zero presence be reduced.???

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Don't make me laugh, there were never any police in our area before the so called cuts, so how can zero presence be reduced.???

Your logic is unquestionable Your area of Preston must be a special test zone....do the local homewatch schemes run their own method of law enforcement?

Do you remember the films "THE SEVEN SAMURAI" and "THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN"...the locals brought in special forces to help them.

You must have received a lower council tax in your area, with no Police Authority budgetry costs to be added on to your bill, since there are no Police to pay for.......unlike most of us who get this added onto our bills.

Never mind, we'll see Preston North End play Oldham Athletic at Boundary Park next season.

 

[Andrew Nelson]

My wording causing havoc again. I was saying that only the Police have the power of law vested in them in which to be responsible to enforce the law.

I do not think that Publicans, their staff and visitors come into that category, as I also quoted the examples of Police Community Support Officers and SIA trained Security Officers as not having the power of the Police in terms of what their remit allows in actual terms of law enforcement.

Your point concerning the possibility of prosecution of Publicans (et al) for "allowing the offence to happen" is well taken and understood, but I cannot expand on that aspect as I am not legally trained. Perhaps there are contributors on this thread who could you a legalistic definition with regard to that very specific point.

This explains it quite well:

http://www.thepublican.com/story.asp?storyCode=54248

 

[CaptainHaddock]

Seems a strange topic to get worked up about. I'm not a smoker myself but it doesn't bother me in the slightest if someone's having a crafty fag on the other end of the platform. Live and let live.

 

[Andrew Nelson]

Seems a strange topic to get worked up about. I'm not a smoker myself but it doesn't bother me in the slightest if someone's having a crafty fag on the other end of the platform. Live and let live.

But staff, in the enclosed part of a Platform, or the Entrance to the Station, where all must pass through, surly does?

 

[HugePilchard]

Seems a strange topic to get worked up about. I'm not a smoker myself but it doesn't bother me in the slightest if someone's having a crafty fag on the other end of the platform. Live and let live.

On an open platform, I really can't see the problem. Frankly, I'd rather have a few smokers scattered about a large platform than what you find as you walk into Darlington most days - a crowd of smokers with a dense haze surrounding them, which you've got to walk through.

 

[route101]

seen an old lady smoke in Edinburgh Waverley last week ! ive been on plenty First Glasgow buses over the years where people have lit up. i remember going on the GNER coach B smoking carriage in 2004 !

 

[HST Power]

seen an old lady smoke in Edinburgh Waverley last week ! ive been on plenty First Glasgow buses over the years where people have lit up. i remember going on the GNER coach B smoking carriage in 2004 !

If I see somebody smoking at a station or on a train I tell them to put it out. If they want to get lung cancer and heart disease they can get it in their own space. The Government have clearly said that smoking is not to be carried out in public places as it seriously harms the health of the people around them. There is a true story about a famous guitar player (I can't remember his name) who went around pubs and clubs to do his performances. He never smoked a cigarette in his life. But he died from smoking. Why? Because of the smoke he had inhaled in the pubs.
You've got to credit both the previous Governments and the NHS, as I feel that they've done a great job in hammering home the message that smoking kills and that there are plenty of opportunities for people who want to quit.

 

[First class]

All Merseyrail stations permit smoking so long as they are above ground, (bar Chester). (Where would the staff go?)

It is not against the Smoking Ban law to smoke at a railway station, just not in an enclosed shelter/building etc. It could be a byelaw offence though if there was a sign indicating it was not permitted.