I've heard today that if the driver or guard of a train has been informed that someone is smoking and fails to do anything about it, he/she is liable to a fine of up to £2500. Seems a bit harsh for him or her, rather than the company to be liable.
-
Our new ticketing site is now live! Using either this or the original site (both powered by TrainSplit) helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchase! Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread!
Smoking Ban
- Thread starter Gizmogle
- Start date
- Status
Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; click here to register, or click here to log in
R
RailUK Forums
First ScotRail
Member
- Joined
- 27 Jan 2006
- Messages
- 565
Better not tell First ScotRail staff that, lol.
NSEFAN
Established Member
Rather than just banning cigarette use in enclosed spaces, why not just completely ban tobacco altogether? Second-hand smoke is still dangerous in other enclosed spaces like houses and other non-public places, and I don't think that the smokers themselves are any better or worse off because of the ban.
I personally don't smoke, and I have nothing against people who do smoke, however, it's clearly so dangerous and such a drain on the NHS that it would be more sensible to ban it altogether. From what I can see, this ban is another excuse to get money out of people and saying it is for their benefit, because the government is too scared to do anything that could possibly mean loosing money rather than making money
ad:.
True, people talk about the losses and finanicial damage a complete ban would do, but then if the government really cared, it would put everyones health before the taxes it will get from the cigarettes.
I personally don't smoke, and I have nothing against people who do smoke, however, it's clearly so dangerous and such a drain on the NHS that it would be more sensible to ban it altogether. From what I can see, this ban is another excuse to get money out of people and saying it is for their benefit, because the government is too scared to do anything that could possibly mean loosing money rather than making money
ad:. True, people talk about the losses and finanicial damage a complete ban would do, but then if the government really cared, it would put everyones health before the taxes it will get from the cigarettes.
Yes, I agree. But if you were a smoker, you'd be annoyed if you were told you could smoke in your own home - your own personal space. I don't think banning it would work at all. Plus, who is going to stop you smoking in your house?
Drugs are illegal, and that hasn't stopped people.
Besides, the government really are making too much money from cigarettes to care.
Drugs are illegal, and that hasn't stopped people.
Besides, the government really are making too much money from cigarettes to care.
Beaker
Established Member
my school is now plastered in no-smoking stickers:
"it is illegal to smoke in this building"
regardless of the fact its a school
I don't really give a toss about the whole ban thing, if people light up near me I really don't mind, I probably do just as much damage to myself when driving steam locos, seeing as I'm in the direct path of the exhaust smoke, at least its not addictive :?
what I find amusing is all the hype about the ban, when the air around us is still polluted heavily in places. Ironically, Egham Sports Centre has the dirtiest air in the whole of Surrey. This is due to it being sited right next to a motorway. Ummm yes....clever. I also live next to the M25, so the air around my neighbourhood is probably pretty poor. Of course its not so much of a social issue, so the government don't make such a big a deal over it as smoking in public. I'd rather the majority of the air around me was clean, rather than the 10 square foot or so surrounding a smoker.
Got to have non smoking stickers on the footplate of Standard gauge steam locos now....
Donny Dave
Established Member
As there is a nationwide smoking ban, I have decided to give up myself. So far, I haven't had a cigarette for 8 hours and counting....
I am starting to feel very cranky now, so please don't upset me....
I am starting to feel very cranky now, so please don't upset me....
Tom B
Established Member
- Joined
- 27 Jul 2005
- Messages
- 4,681
Not really. If there wasn't a safeguard like that, then guards wouldn't do anything about it. It is the same for anybody in authority IIRC - so people like bus drivers, security guards etc, if they fail to act on a report that someone is smoking they can be fined. Maybe it will cause the ban to be enforced properly.
devon_metro
Established Member
To ban smoking would mean the government would lose a collosal amount of tax.
Where do you think they might get it from?
Where do you think they might get it from?
kettlefan
Member
yes well mine aren't standard gauge, so there!!!
I learnt today that as an employer it is your responsibly to report to the council any employee you know of smoking on the premises.
But heres the stupid bit, the council will fine the employee, but won't stop there.
They will fine YOU the employer too!
So how many employers are reporting there employees smoking?
16CSVT2700
Established Member
*runs*
Firstly, local authorities don't have the power to fine, the only people who do are Magistrates & Judges. Local authorities issue fixed penalty notices.
Secondly, the owner or person in charge of the premises will only be fined if they fail to prevent smoking on their premises. So the employer will not be fined if they have taken appropriate action to stop smoking.
Secondly, the owner or person in charge of the premises will only be fined if they fail to prevent smoking on their premises. So the employer will not be fined if they have taken appropriate action to stop smoking.
Tom B
Established Member
- Joined
- 27 Jul 2005
- Messages
- 4,681
No, they will only fine the employer if they have failed to prevent smoking. By reporting them to the council, they've done something about it. Hence no fine.
TheSlash
Established Member
Yep, and yellow warning panels on the front
kettlefan
Member
ah ha right yes that makes sense.
So does that mean they'd be fined if, having reported smoking, they unknowingly still had employees smoking on premises? (you know, quick fag behing the sheds
) well assuming the authorities discovered it
kettlefan
Member
you've read what I said wrongly. I obviously didn't make it clear who was who in my little scenario. Its the council who's had it reported to, NOT the employer, therefore, the employer unknowingly has smoking on premises still. I've completely re-written it as clearly as I can below, to show you what I mean.
Beforehand the employer has already reported smoking to the council people and preventative measures have been taken. But smoking still takes place UNKNOWN to the employer (don't be picky and say how could the employer not know, lets just say they don't find out somehow for sake of argument)...council finds out before employer (through some squealing so and so, or otherwise)...council fines employer...employer gets a sharp rise in bloody pressure.
I hope that solves that little misunderstanding.
Well so far the ban seems to be working very well. I've been into a few cafes and restuarants since 1st July and not seen one person flouting the ban yet. Also, was amazed to see people at Hull station stood outside the entrance smoking as opposed to on the platform! I expected people to just ignore it due to the lack of signage but at the moment this isn't the case.
AlexS
Established Member
It's unenforcable in Stoke on Trent at the minute if anyone fancies a quick puff in a pub
Seen various people in various places flouting it. I didn't really care before and I still don't, it's not my job to stop people doing it unless it falls within a narrow 8 or 9 hour window of time on a Saturday anyway.
Seen various people in various places flouting it. I didn't really care before and I still don't, it's not my job to stop people doing it unless it falls within a narrow 8 or 9 hour window of time on a Saturday anyway.
It's unenforcable in Stoke on Trent at the minute if anyone fancies a quick puff in a pub
Seen various people in various places flouting it. I didn't really care before and I still don't, it's not my job to stop people doing it unless it falls within a narrow 8 or 9 hour window of time on a Saturday anyway.
Yes, but the premises manager can still be charged for letting people smoke (different rules), and of course the council can still give a FPN to individuals retrospectively.
Nym
Established Member
unless iligal under railway bylaws, so long as you're not under the shed, then it's legal, and under the shed is quetionable, depending on the hight on the shed, so I'll go with a tape measure and tell you
Not sure entirely on exemptions. Some places are exempt (eg: smoking hotel rooms.) If you report any incidents to the premises manager and he fails to take action then you may want to report the School to the Smokefree compliance line.
You get somking hotel rooms?!?!? We don't have even them in Scotland!
The only places I've seen exempt in Scotland are long term residencial care facilities, which can provide a smoking room for residents and staff cannot be forced to the enter the room except in an emergency.
Tom B
Established Member
- Joined
- 27 Jul 2005
- Messages
- 4,681
The facilities manager (in English, that's take-no-care-taker) put up "No Smoking" signs on-site that he printed off the internet! High quality eh. Then one of the lab technicians was reported for smoking on site...
Tom B
Established Member
- Joined
- 27 Jul 2005
- Messages
- 4,681
Nope, in the car park!
Mind you that reminds me if you should go down to the Doncaster Interchange, you will see a large sign at one end "NO SMOKING GAS MAIN". Under which there are a large number of smokers, including the security guards!
Mind you that reminds me if you should go down to the Doncaster Interchange, you will see a large sign at one end "NO SMOKING GAS MAIN". Under which there are a large number of smokers, including the security guards!
- Status