Shouldnt East midlands be operating these trains?

[Techniquest]

I'd still rather send a 150 out than a 142! And I suspect most people would prefer a 150 than a 142, unless you're a Pacer enthusiast of course!

 

[Starmill]

I'd still rather send a 150 out than a 142! And I suspect most people would prefer a 150 than a 142, unless you're a Pacer enthusiast of course!

Of course :P But by exactly the same token I expect most people would prefer a 158 to a 150!

 

[Wolf]

While Pacers aren't cleared for Nottingham, I'm sure this is because they have never needed to be rather than any intrinsic incompatibility with the local infrastructure. If someone wanted to do it they could almost certainly be cleared without difficulty.

You have been warned.

No it's because of axle counters between Chesterfield and Nottingham down the ere wash valley. 142s and 144s arnt cleared for routes with axle counters because they don't operate them correctly due to the single axles, basically axle counters don't register a train in the section and hence don't often revert signals to danger. 14x s very occasionally end up starting out from Leeds on a Nottingham service but get swapped of at Sheffield. Not sure what other routes round Nottingham have axle counters as we only sign into Nottingham west end from leeds

 

[Tomnick]

Not sure where that info's come from originally, but I'm not convinced. Why are the single axles on 14x units any different to the single axles on some of the variety of wagons that happily work through axle counter sections every day? An axle counter head counts the number of axles that pass over it, whether they come in pairs or otherwise.

 

[RichmondCommu]

Getting closer all the time, as Matt Taylor
evidences in his Flickr stream:

Class 150's are not new to the East Midlands! Back in the mid 1980's they were first introduced on the Matlock branch to replace the class 120's.

 

[Philip Elliott]

There is also a 0710 Gloucester to Stansted on Weekdays formed by one set detached off the 0537 Birmingham - Cardiff.
But as a general rule on arrival at Birmingham trains from Stansted go back to Leicester and trains from Leicester go back to Stansted. The Nottingham terminators go back to Nottingham. Obviously occasionally sets maybe swopped around but as a rule thats what happens

On top of the quoted examples, the interworking between the routes is also as follows:

0515 Cambridge to Birmingham forms the 08.19 to Nottingham
0724 Leicester to Birmingham goes ECS via Lifford and then works 09.19 to Nottingham
The 08.54 arrival at Birmingham from Nottingham is formed of 2x170/5 which goes ECS to Tyesley where they split and formed the 16.09 & 17.09 to Leicester in the evening.

 

[Qwerty133]

On top of the quoted examples, the interworking between the routes is also as follows:

0515 Cambridge to Birmingham forms the 08.19 to Nottingham
0724 Leicester to Birmingham goes ECS via Lifford and then works 09.19 to Nottingham
The 08.54 arrival at Birmingham from Nottingham is formed of 2x170/5 which goes ECS to Tyesley where they split and formed the 16.09 & 17.09 to Leicester in the evening.

16:09 is more often than not a /1 (2 car), however /5 do show up about twice a week, also not that unusual for it to be a /1 (3 car) and a /3 made an appearance a couple of weeks ago (on a day the 15:52 was a 2 coach).

 

[Llama]

No it's because of axle counters between Chesterfield and Nottingham down the ere wash valley. 142s and 144s arnt cleared for routes with axle counters because they don't operate them correctly due to the single axles, basically axle counters don't register a train in the section and hence don't often revert signals to danger. 14x s very occasionally end up starting out from Leeds on a Nottingham service but get swapped of at Sheffield. Not sure what other routes round Nottingham have axle counters as we only sign into Nottingham west end from leeds

That is very wide of the mark, 142s work on plenty of routes with axle counters every day and have done for many years.

 

[swt_passenger]

Problems with EMT getting the route would include; stock as EMT don't operate 170s, crew as most services are worked by New Street crews which is not currently on the EMT network, and Leicester XC crews working other services off the line, and with XC no longer serving Leicester they wouldn't want a depot there...

All of those points are really only valid because of the last change. If the decision had been to give this part of Central Trains to EMT they would operate 170s, would have their own crew depot at New St, and XC wouldn't have a crew depot at Leiciester; so they aren't really good reasons why the service couldn't be with EMT now, they'd just be reversions to the previous situation.

 

[Philip Elliott]

16:09 is more often than not a /1 (2 car), however /5 do show up about twice a week, also not that unusual for it to be a /1 (3 car) and a /3 made an appearance a couple of weeks ago (on a day the 15:52 was a 2 coach).

I should have written '2 car 170'. I very well know the typical stock allocation of the 16.09 as it is my usual train home!

Prior to the SDO fitment to the /1s, it had to be a 170/5 else the return 5-car working off Leicester would only have 2 coaches in use.