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Services That Really Should Exist...

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MidnightFlyer

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I'd like to see (I'm probably repeating ideas already mentioned)...
1) Cumbernauld, Coatbridge, Stirling and Perth with direct services to the WCML. They could extend as 2 seperate daily services to Inverness and Aberdeen (the latter via Dundee and NOT Edinburgh)
2) re-introduction of XC services to Brighton (3 a day), Portsmouth (3 a day) and Paddington (again, 3 a day)
3) passengerisation (pardon?) of the line from Wichnor Junction, via Lichfield and Brownhills to Walsall. This would give an alternative route in & out of Birmingham and stop reversing for Derby - Bristol/Oxford services.
4) Liverpool - Carlisle - Scotland services.
5) Liverpool - Birmingham - beyond, and (controversially)...
6) Stoke - Crewe - Hartford - Warrington - Earlestown - Newton-le-Willows - Wigan - Preston - Blackpool

Sorry mate I've got to do calling points for these... :D What were you intending for 2)'s services, and aren't 2) and 5) near enough the same thing, or did you mean to Worcester or Coventry etc ? :D
 
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To quote Scrappy Doo,

"Lemme at 'em!" :D

I still don't see why there is no 22:12 on Saturdays. Even the Sunday timetable includes that service.

Because Saturdays are dead.
 

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Are we allowed to relay trackbed, or do we have to stick to existing p/way? If not the can I suggest Newcastle-Durham-Sunderland? Open the sealed off section at Sunderland Station, and reinstate the platform there, or, lay a track to loop the station and use Park Lane Metro on this route, with the Metro services shuttling between the 2.
 

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Are we allowed to relay trackbed, or do we have to stick to existing p/way? If not the can I suggest Newcastle-Durham-Sunderland? Open the sealed off section at Sunderland Station, and reinstate the platform there, or, lay a track to loop the station and use Park Lane Metro on this route, with the Metro services shuttling between the 2.

Erm... I'd like to keep it with our existing layouts... What's that about the sealed off bit at Sunderland?

Suppose this could work:
Newcastle
Heworth
Sunderland
Hartlepool
Eaglescliffe
Darlington
Durham
Newcastle

A bit like those Sunday only trains. :D
 

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I've said this before, I know, but is there any chance of a "fantasy" section for all of these "I think there should be a direct train from Llanfairpwllgwyngyll to Mallaig run by Deltics with a reversal at Middlesbrough" threads?

(I suspect, having asked this before, that I know what the answer will be, but...)
 

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I've said this before, I know, but is there any chance of a "fantasy" section for all of these "I think there should be a direct train from Llanfairpwllgwyngyll to Mallaig run by Deltics with a reversal at Middlesbrough" threads?

(I suspect, having asked this before, that I know what the answer will be, but...)

The problem you would get is that such an area would be dominated by myself and MattE2010, with the occasional chipping in from characters such as Greenback and TheWalrus. Still, could be a good laugh :D

Please Mojo?
 

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I've said this before, I know, but is there any chance of a "fantasy" section for all of these "I think there should be a direct train from Llanfairpwllgwyngyll to Mallaig run by Deltics with a reversal at Middlesbrough" threads?

(I suspect, having asked this before, that I know what the answer will be, but...)

Probs best starting your own Thread... I wouldn't mind Langho to Calais Frethun on 150s via Carshalton... most suggestions on here tend to be serious :D
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The problem you would get is that such an area would be dominated by myself and MattE2010, with the occasional chipping in from characters such as Greenback and TheWalrus. Still, could be a good laugh :D

Please Mojo?

Yeah. I could certainly come up with loads all day, I suspect you could too! :D I'd have to do calling point for all mine though :D Reckon if we made a Thread in the General Discussion they would remove it :D Someone apart from me do it first though :D
 
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3) passengerisation (pardon?) of the line from Wichnor Junction, via Lichfield and Brownhills to Walsall. This would give an alternative route in & out of Birmingham and stop reversing for Derby - Bristol/Oxford services.
I wouldn't have thought that they would need to reverse? Bristol trains certainly don't need to reverse as the route goes straight though birmingham, plus the camp hill line must be of some use for oxford bound trains?
 

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I wouldn't have thought that they would need to reverse? Bristol trains certainly don't need to reverse as the route goes straight though birmingham, plus the camp hill line must be of some use for oxford bound trains?

Isn't the Camp Hill line the alternative way to get to Kings Norton & Bristol?

Think Reading-Newcastle trains have to reverse, bu they would still spend the same amount of time stopped, reversing or not :D
 

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I think we need to reinvent the 'random' routing nature of XC, as well as bossting service frequencies on poorly served routes as well as providing valuable (!) connections:

Ipswich
Stowmarket
Diss
Ely
Peterborough
Granthan
Wakefield Westgate
Leeds (Reverse)
Keighley
Skipton
Carlisle
Motherwell
Cumbernauld
Larbert
Stirling
Dunblane
Perth
Dunkeld & Birnam
Pitlochry
Blair Atholl
Kingussie
Aviemore
Inverness (Reverse)
Beauly (x)
Muir of Ord
Dingwall
Garve - for coach connections (to be established/funded by the TOC) to Ullapool for the ferry to Stornoway.

Traction: Class 37 (RETB equipped), 6xMk3a coaches (1x 1st, 1x buffet, 4x Std) and one Mk2e w/Guard's van, Class 37 (RETB equipped)
 

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Reckon if we made a Thread in the General Discussion they would remove it :D Someone apart from me do it first though :D

£20 to the wackiest reasonable idea generated in July 2010 :lol:

I'll start the bidding with a London - Southampton express :D

(jk)
 

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I think we need to reinvent the 'random' routing nature of XC, as well as bossting service frequencies on poorly served routes as well as providing valuable (!) connections:

Ipswich
Stowmarket
Diss
Ely
Peterborough
Granthan
Wakefield Westgate
Leeds (Reverse)
Keighley
Skipton
Carlisle
Motherwell
Cumbernauld
Larbert
Stirling
Dunblane
Perth
Dunkeld & Birnam
Pitlochry
Blair Atholl
Kingussie
Aviemore
Inverness (Reverse)
Beauly (x)
Muir of Ord
Dingwall
Garve - for coach connections (to be established/funded by the TOC) to Ullapool for the ferry to Stornoway.

Traction: Class 37 (RETB equipped), 6xMk3a coaches (1x 1st, 1x buffet, 4x Std) and one Mk2e w/Guard's van, Class 37 (RETB equipped)

My version of the above - using the Ely West Curve and from Norwich-Inverness only, but with good connections for Dingwall/Kyle/Garve/Wick :D...
Norwich
Peterborough
Grantham
Wakefield Westgate
Leeds (Reverse) - is there capacity for this?
Keighley
Skipton
Settle
Appleby
Carlisle
Motherwell
Stirling
Dunblane
Perth
Pitlochry
Kingussie
Aviemore
Inverness
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£20 to the wackiest reasonable idea generated in July 2010 :lol:

I'll start the bidding with a London - Southampton express :D

(jk)

A Waterloo East-Charing Cross Express :D
 

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Plymouth-Dover
Brighton-Holyhead
Fishguard H-Harwich Port
Paignton-Skegness

Calling points and routing to follow :D
 

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Plymouth-Dover:
Plymouth
Totnes
Newton Abbot
Exeter St davids (reverse)
Exeter Central
Yeovil Jn
Salisbury
Eastleigh
Fareham
Chichester
Worthing
Hove
Brighton (reverse)
Lewes
Eastbourne (reverse)
Hastings
Ashford Intl (reverse)
Folkestone West
Folkestone Central
Dover
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Brighton-Holyhead:
Brighton
Gatwick Airport
East Croydon
Clapham Junction
Kensington Olympia
Harrow & Wealdstone
Watford Junction
Northampton
Tamworth
Crewe
Chester
Rhyl
Llandudno Junction
Bangor
Holyhead
 
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Plymouth-Dover:
Plymouth
Totnes
Newton Abbot
Exeter St davids (reverse)
Exeter Central
Yeovil Jn
Salisbury
Eastleigh
Fareham
Chichester
Worthing
Hove
Brighton (reverse)
Lewes
Eastbourne (reverse)
Hastings
Ashford Intl (reverse)
Folkestone West
Folkestone Central
Dover
why not extend that service to Penzance?
 

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£20 to the wackiest reasonable idea generated in July 2010 :lol:

I'll start the bidding with a London - Southampton express :D

(jk)

How about...
Alloa
Birmingham
Cardiff
Doncaster
Exeter St Davids
Falkirk
Grantham
Holyhead
Inverness
Jarrow
Kettering
Leeds
Margate
Newark
Oldham
Paignton
Queenborough
Redcar
Selby
Twickenham
Ulverston
Verwood
Woking
Kings X
Yeovil
Dudley Zoo

(I think XC do this service on the third thursday ofthe month!)
 

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Fishguard H-Harwich Intl:
Fishguard Harbour
Carmarthen
Llanelli
Swansea
Neath
Port Talbot Parkway
Bridgend
Cardiff Central
Newport
Bristol Parkway
Swindon
Reading
(to Acton ML, Willesden Jn and NLL)
Stratford Domestic
Shenfield
Chelmsford
Colchester North
Manningtree
Harwich Intl

Paignton-Skegness:
Paignton
Torquay
Exeter St Davids
Taunton
Bristol TM
Bristol Parkway
Cheltenham Spa
Birmingham New St
Burton
Derby
Nottingham
Grantham
Sleaford
Boston
Segness
 

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XC services should be reinstated from Portsmouth, Brighton and Dover to various destinations (the first two destinations had regular services, and the latter seasonal services, prior to the failure of Operation Princess). Since demand for North-South travel exists it is imperative to transfer such traffic onto rail.

So, I'd propose running the following service:

Brighton
Haywards Heath
Three Bridges
Gatwick Airport
Redhill
Guildford
Reading
Oxford
Banbury
Leamington Spa
Coventry
Birmingham International
Birmingham New Street
Stafford
Crewe
Wigan
Preston
Lancaster
Carlisle
Glasgow Central.

In an ideal world a pair of 73s would haul the train from Brighton to Birmingham NS (assuming they were capable of hauling the train all the way from Reading on diesel power alone) while an 87 would haul the train up the WCML to Glasgow.

In fact, two 73s hauled an XC train from Brighton to Reading back in 1996 to cover for a failed 47!
 

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I think pathing through Birmingham New Street is building up as a major problem to all of this! Time to build a chord between the Snow Hill lines and WCML around about Smethwick Galton Bridge I think!

Even then is there that much platform and tunnel capacity left, or even room for more platforms at Snow Hill now?

Maybe we should route all these new services into Birmingham Fazeley Street! Its more likely to be built than many of these services are to run!!
 
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More insanity

"The North Highland Exectuive"

Brighton
London Bridge
Blackfriars
Luton Airport
Leicester
Derby
Sheffield
Manchester Piccadilly
Perth
Pitlochry
Aviemore
Inverness
Kyle of Lochalsh

Obviously, you're going to need a long section token for the last leg.
 
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