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NotATrainspott

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A fantastic example for Glasgow and all the many tourists that sturgen says will fund an independant Scotland. A station that looks and feels like a wrecking machine paid a visit the night before, not a coffee or booking office to be had with such facilities located off site.

For goodness' sake. Other countries have stations that need to be and/or are currently in the process of being rebuilt. So long as people can catch the train safely and efficiently it doesn't really matter.

What would you rather do? Should the entire 8 car lengthening not have gone ahead just for the sake of being able to have a coffee shop between the buffers and West George Street? The new station will be a fairly typical example of modern railway architecture with its deliberately oversized open areas. I'm sure that someone will get to set up a little coffee stand or two if nothing else happens.
 
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I think the point being made was that we have a bleak half made station, but neither has any work been done on it since August. We know the reasons, but others don't, and it is an exceptionally long time for a major project to be at a standstill.
 

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I think the point being made was that we have a bleak half made station, but neither has any work been done on it since August. We know the reasons, but others don't, and it is an exceptionally long time for a major project to be at a standstill.

Correct. I havnt used GLQ since last May but was of the impression there were no on site facilities what so ever just now. The news that at coffee at least is available is good news and my appologies.
 

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Correct. I havnt used GLQ since last May but was of the impression there were no on site facilities what so ever just now. The news that at coffee at least is available is good news and my appologies.

Given the fact the the redevelopment plans have fallen through (which maybe be the case for years to come) why can't they reopen the retail units?

The station looks terrible, does anybody know why the tiles were painted over with black and cream paint? What was the point in that?
 
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My understanding is that work *is* about to begin, they wouldn't be relocating the ticket office and Boots wouldn't have moved out otherwise, so there'd be no point in reopening any retail units now. Going by that piece in The Herald last month, I'd be more concerned about the lack of facilities when the new building opens minus the BG development.

The black paint I think was to protect the flooring when tunnel work was happening last summer. However bad it looks, knackered tiles would probably look even worse.
 

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My understanding is that work *is* about to begin, they wouldn't be relocating the ticket office and Boots wouldn't have moved out otherwise, so there'd be no point in reopening any retail units now. Going by that piece in The Herald last month, I'd be more concerned about the lack of facilities when the new building opens minus the BG development.

The black paint I think was to protect the flooring when tunnel work was happening last summer. However bad it looks, knackered tiles would probably look even worse.

As long as there's some movement and not stagnation that will take the sting out of it a bit. I wasn't aware that was to protect the tiles, I was under the impression that this was one of the many "improvements"
 

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My understanding is that work *is* about to begin, they wouldn't be relocating the ticket office and Boots wouldn't have moved out otherwise, so there'd be no point in reopening any retail units now. Going by that piece in The Herald last month, I'd be more concerned about the lack of facilities when the new building opens minus the BG development.

The black paint I think was to protect the flooring when tunnel work was happening last summer. However bad it looks, knackered tiles would probably look even worse.

Shame on me but despite many visits to QS over the years I cannot remember exactly how the tiles were.

If they were what I think then it could be to provide a non-slip surface while there is an increased risk of getting wet. For those that have used the footbridge at Carlisle within the last 6 months the 'grass' is there for precisely that reason according to a member of station staff, the immediately previous black bitumen-like surface having proved rather slippery.
 

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Leaving the questions of coffee shops and floor tiles in Queen Street to one side, is there any news on actual electrification?
The Shotts line twitter feed is quite good with updates. They appear to be at the structure clearance and piling stages, no wiring yet but on programme.
The EGIP twitter feed seems to rely on cutting and pasting 'work ongoing' without any actual updates. There was mention some time back of possibly running electric trains in May but no recent news. Have the extra four car 321s arrived to free up 380s for this? Is testing of the 385s proving successful? What's happening with Stirling and Alloa?

There must be some news!!
 

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Press release

https://www.networkrail.co.uk/feeds/linlithgow-wall-work-builds-on-railway-heritage/

Network Rail has completed work to raise the height of walls bordering the railway at Royal Terrace and Union Road, Linlithgow, as part of the Edinburgh Glasgow Improvement Programme (EGIP).

The £650k investment is to ensure the railway boundary is compliant with safety standards for an electrified railway and to protect the public from overhead cables, has already been commended by railway heritage groups and the local community alike.

The six month programme to raise the height of the listed Victorian boundary saw specialist stone masons use 160 tonnes of locally sourced Scotch Buff sandstone to maintain the visual integrity with existing coping stones being removed then replaced to further preserve the historic appeal of the raised walls.

Gradually moving along the walls section by section, the experienced team of stone masons over the course of more than 4200 man hours, used their knowledge of heritage projects to sympathetically construct the equivalent of 360m of new walls.

Road and pedestrian access was maintained throughout the duration of the works and the challenge of working within a confined location required bespoke, 2.5m free-standing access scaffold bays. Each was designed to remain detached from the walls, while at the same time affording a safety exclusion zone next to a live railway meaning the majority of the work could be undertaken during the day.

Kevin McClelland, Network Rail route delivery director for infrastructure projects, said: “Our focus in raising the height of the walls is to safeguard the public as we transform the infrastructure to an electrified network. However, it is important to ensure that every effort is made to protect the integrity of listed structures and conserve the character of historic railway environments. Initial feedback so far has been positive and indicates that what we have delivered what we set out to do.

“This element of the project provided us with a number of challenges given the location and the existing footprint of the railway. I have to commend the team in the way that they worked to innovate and overcome these challenges to deliver a sympathetic enhancement of the railway boundary in a conservation setting with the minimum of disruption to the local community.”

Andy Savage, Executive Director of the Railway Heritage Trust said, “The project to raise the height of the railway boundary walls at Linlithgow for electrification clearance has been an excellent piece of work by Network Rail. It shows what can be done where the approach is to conserve and build upon the historic railway environment and is sympathetic to the surrounding community.”

“The work is impressive in both concept and execution and it’s great to see such respect for the railway’s heritage while investing in its electric future.”

EGIP is a Scottish Government funded investment to deliver a rolling programme of electrification across the central belt – reducing journey times and increasing capacity on routes by improving the infrastructure to enable faster, greener and more energy efficient trains.

The Linlithgow walls project is part of a programme of work that has seen parapet heights raised on more than 100 structures in addition to the 60 bridges that have been raised in preparation for the electrification of central Scotland’s railway.

To date, EGIP has successfully completed the £80m electrification of the Cumbernauld line, the £25m redevelopment of Edinburgh’s Haymarket station and the completion of the new, £41m Edinburgh Gateway train-tram interchange.
 

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Given the fact the the redevelopment plans have fallen through (which maybe be the case for years to come) why can't they reopen the retail units?

The station looks terrible, does anybody know why the tiles were painted over with black and cream paint? What was the point in that?

The redevelopment hasn't fallen through; it's the connected Buchanan Galleries extension that has. The NR side must go ahead as planned because the platforms are to be extended into the current concourse area for the 8-car Edinburgh services. The platforms can't be extended without the entire front of the station being replaced, and without those extensions there's no way that the trains ordered from Hitachi would fit in the station.
 

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The floor has been painted over as there were two huge holes dug for the platforms extensions which were covered over, so it was in a bit of a mess post closure.
 
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Leaving the questions of coffee shops and floor tiles in Queen Street to one side, is there any news on actual electrification?
The Shotts line twitter feed is quite good with updates. They appear to be at the structure clearance and piling stages, no wiring yet but on programme.
The EGIP twitter feed seems to rely on cutting and pasting 'work ongoing' without any actual updates. There was mention some time back of possibly running electric trains in May but no recent news. Have the extra four car 321s arrived to free up 380s for this? Is testing of the 385s proving successful? What's happening with Stirling and Alloa?

There must be some news!!

I e-mailed the EGIP address almost 2 weeks ago asking many of the same questions you've just asked, they've not bothered to reply.
 

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Not sure if it's been reported on the forum already, but the energisation date for the E&G line is 9th April.
 

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Given that the line is close to energisation - it's about time too. I was wondering on a couple of aspects regarding the electrification, as most of the wires have only been half constructed (top wire constructed, live wire missing) between Greenhill and Larbert [3&4].

Came across what looked to be a section that still needs sorting out at Lenzie last weekend as it looks like the wires are temporarily supported by further metal wires which obstruct the bottom of the contact wire. Wouldn't fancy going under that at 100mph on an EMU that's for sure [1&2];
 

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Similar photos were published in late 2013 shortly before energisation of Manchester to Newton-le-Willows.
 

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I notice there are two types of registration arm in use - the tubular variety and another sort, with parallel bars and spacers. Haven't seen any obvious pattern in how and where they are used. Any info welcome!

Thanks.
 

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A splendid choice by Scotrail. If a colleague and myself had been working late we often used to go in The Vale for a carry out before catching the train back to Edinburgh - in the days before the 9pm booze ban of course.

Time was there was the Berlins Bar which had dumplings protruding from the wall. :oops:
 

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Did we ever get a definitive answer to whether or not insulators still need to be installed on the headspan wires at Glasgow QS?
 

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Did we ever get a definitive answer to whether or not insulators still need to be installed on the headspan wires at Glasgow QS?

Insulators were installed in the contact and catenary wires (which is what I think you mean) at the buffer stop ends of each platform about two weeks ago.
 

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Insulators were installed in the contact and catenary wires (which is what I think you mean) at the buffer stop ends of each platform about two weeks ago.

There was also the question as to whether additional insulators were required between conductors/masts in the headspan wires.
 

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Not great...

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...nt_facing_indefinite_delays__warns_rail_body/

Network Rail says it is in the dark over timetable for Glasgow Queen Street overhaul


THE body in charge of the UK's railways has said it cannot give a date for when the delayed redevelopment of one of Scotland's busiest stations will be completed.

Network Rail has told MSPs that the major contractual and legal wranglings holding up the overhaul of Glasgow's Queen Street station are ongoing, pushing the timetable back indefinitely.

Work, originally expected to begin in late 2016, had been rescheduled to the second quarter of 2017. But the required Government authorisations, knows as TAWS orders, are currently eight months delayed.

It is understood a key factor has been objections to the scheme from parties affected by it.

The Herald revealed the lag in the £120million scheme in January and again last month amid concerns for the impact on the redevelopment of the neighbouring Buchanan Galleries shopping centre.

In its letter to MSPs on Holyrood's Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee, Network Rail said: "At the time of writing there is no confirmed date for finalisation of the TAWS Order, or for formal decision by the Scottish Ministers.

"As we advised Transport Scotland on 8th November 2016, the impact upon overall completion date will depend upon the date at which the TAWS Order is granted, the terms of the Order and implementation of the order.

"The TAWS programme has taken longer than originally estimated by Network Rail. This is always a risk with such a statutory powers application and it is one of the reasons why this is a Transport Scotland retained risk. "

Network Rail, which is carrying out the Queen Street work for Transport Scotland, added that a 'programme review' was also ongoing "to consider delivery of the project and to examine what are opportunities are available to reduce the impact of the continuing delay".

The letter concludes: "We cannot provide a revised programme for the redevelopment of Glasgow Queen Street, until the programme review is concluded, and we have received a positive decision on the TAWS Order application and have considered the impact of any conditions which may be attached to the TAWS Order."

The redevelopment will replace the current 1960s main entrance at George Square, Millennium Hotel’s 1970s extension above the station, Scotland's third busiest, and Consort House will be demolished, and the canopy over the footway on Dundas Street will be removed.

The station platforms will be expanded to accommodate eight-car trains, and the overhead line on the high-level platforms of the station will be electrified. The waiting areas, entrances, and catering and retail spaces will also be extended, and new lighting and public address systems will be installed.

One source recently told The herald that due to the knock-on to the Buchanan Galleries scheme there is unlikely to be any major retail offering within the completed Queen Street for several further years, adding: “Queen Street will probably be a big empty glass box until about 2025.”

Scottish Labour transport spokesman Neil Bibby, referring also to the delays impacting on the new Forth Road Bridge, said: “Both projects will make a huge difference to the travelling public, and will become an important part of Scotland’s infrastructure.

“We need the SNP government to get on with the job of governing, which involves improving our transport network, rather than obsessing about independence.”
 

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One line caught my eye:
The Herald revealed the lag in the £120million scheme in January and again last month amid concerns for the impact on the redevelopment of the neighbouring Buchanan Galleries shopping centre.
I thought it was the other way around - the Buchanan Galleries was delaying the station work?
 
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