Scotrail Class 385 Discussion

[SpacePhoenix]

They won't. As others have said, TS have a contract for them to run in Scotland for years to come.

Any contract can be bought out for enough money. For all we know there might be some sort of get-out clause in the contract that would allow ScotRail to end their use early.

 

[Carntyne]

Any contract can be bought out for enough money. For all we know there might be some sort of get-out clause in the contract that would allow ScotRail to end their use early.

Why though?

 

[Domh245]

Any contract can be bought out for enough money. For all we know there might be some sort of get-out clause in the contract that would allow ScotRail to end their use early.

With the get out clause probably being something in the region of £several billion, why would the 385s be a more attractive option, let alone one that claws back the price difference.

 

[NotATrainspott]

The 380s will be just fine operating routes heading west out of Glasgow Central, where they'll pass by their home depot. The 385s will be just fine heading east out of Glasgow Central and Queen Street in the general direction of Edinburgh, where they'll have their depot at Millerhill. Until a cross-city tunnel is built there's no clear reason why the western and eastern Glasgow fleets should be merged together. They'll never need to work together in service but they will be capable of rescuing one another when the need arises, while there's no clear benefit to using one type over another. I wouldn't be surprised if most passengers simply assumed that they were in fact the same type of train.

 

[deltic08]

380 goes on the Circle nearly every morning during peak times.

I travelled on 380s from Central around the Cathcart circle to and from the Commonwealth Games on three consecutive days in 2014.

 

[route101]

I travelled on 380s from Central around the Cathcart circle to and from the Commonwealth Games on three consecutive days in 2014.

Surprised they werent cleared for Neilston and Newton lines . Not seen a 380 on the circle for a wee while .

 

[SC318250]

Am sure they are cleared for Newton lines

Not sure about Neilston, but I am
Also sure they have operated Neilston and Newton services. Not planned but stepped up services

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Surprised they werent cleared for Neilston and Newton lines . Not seen a 380 on the circle for a wee while .

I saw one on the Cathcart Circle three weeks ago.

 

[route101]

Am sure they are cleared for Newton lines

Not sure about Neilston, but I am
Also sure they have operated Neilston and Newton services. Not planned but stepped up services

I was under the impression they were just cleared on the Cathcart Circle .

 

[Southsider]

I was under the impression they were just cleared on the Cathcart Circle .

According to this they are cleared for Neilston

http://www.scot-rail.co.uk/page/Class+380+Route+Clearance

 

[route101]

According to this they are cleared for Neilston

http://www.scot-rail.co.uk/page/Class+380+Route+Clearance

Ok thanks , never seen or heard of 380 up Neilston however .
Some clearances are funny , East Kilbride class 158 ECS only!

 

[SC318250]

1718 Glasgow Central to Neilston last night was 380106

Thanks to Scot-rail group

 

[kkong]

I was under the impression they were just cleared on the Cathcart Circle .

We got a 380 footex from Mount Florida to Glasgow Central after a match at Hampden on Saturday 22nd October.

 

[Clansman]

We got a 380 footex from Mount Florida to Glasgow Central after a match at Hampden on Saturday 22nd October.

You're lucky it wasn't the game the day after otherwise the whole fleet would've needed new toilets

 

[Photohunter71]

They should be due testing on tracks up here soon! When exactly though?

 

[route101]

1718 Glasgow Central to Neilston last night was 380106

Thanks to Scot-rail group

Interesting . Them Neilston line commuters will like the change from the basic 314s

 

[380101]

Interesting . Them Neilston line commuters will like the change from the basic 314s

only if they realise that the doors don't open automatically like the 314 doors! it's always funny seeing passengers standing staring at train doors expecting them to just open without pressing the door open button.

 

[SpacePhoenix]

Will the doors on a 385 auto close after a time like Desiros to maintain the air con temperature?

 

[asylumxl]

Will the doors on a 385 auto close after a time like Desiros to maintain the air con temperature?

Is there any modern air-conditioned stock that doesn't do this? I'm 99.999% sure they will do so.

 

[ld0595]

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Stumbled across this video earlier of 385001 on test at the Hitachi test track today.

 

[Class377/5]

Is there any modern air-conditioned stock that doesn't do this? I'm 99.999% sure they will do so.

Nope. All air con units do it otherwise they'd be no way to keep the temperature level especially all terminal stations.

 

[SpacePhoenix]

Nope. All air con units do it otherwise they'd be no way to keep the temperature level especially all terminal stations.

I've never ridden on an Electrostar so wasn't sure if they did but suspected that they might

It must also help with dwell times at less busy stations as for some stations, when it comes to the time for the guard to start the door closing procedure, the only door open might be their local door

 

[Goldfish62]

Nope. All air con units do it otherwise they'd be no way to keep the temperature level especially all terminal stations.

Until their recent conversion, Class 458s didn't.

 

[fgwrich]

Does anybody else besides me find those bodyside/window layouts and sizes a little odd. It's as if they've tried to copy the Desiro windows then ran out of space. That said, I'm still not made up on the design of the unit - The Chin and narrow cab windscreens still make it look odd.

 

[Class377/5]

Until their recent conversion, Class 458s didn't.

Did the 458 have air con tho?

 

[Clansman]

Does anybody else besides me find those bodyside/window layouts and sizes a little odd. It's as if they've tried to copy the Desiro windows then ran out of space. That said, I'm still not made up on the design of the unit - The Chin and narrow cab windscreens still make it look odd.

I think the front face is smart looking, but having seen it from the side I'm having second thoughts about the unit in it's entirety. Makes me wonder why Transport Scotland didn't go for British built Electrostars that are coming into fashion down south just now. Worried at the gap between windows would result in poor window|seat alignment which is becoming the norm over the national rail network, and not to mention the god damned ironing boards invading most trains left right and centre.

A British built class 387 with similar seats to class 379 would've been less hassle I'd of thought than importing new trains from Japan. As long as the seats are aligned with the windows then they'll remain on my good books; although I never understand why TOCs don't maximise comfort where possible. For example they could of used class 395 seats in standard class and have the first class seats the same as that on the 800s - pointless in my opinion how they've laid out the interior.

Never the less I'm still a fan of the 385s, I just hope they live up to what Scotrail said they would do and hopefully prove us wrong.

Last thing I want come electrification is mediocre stock coming up my way.

 

[MCR247]

Bombardier no longer offer the 387, therefore it wasn't offered to ScotRail

 

[Carntyne]

. As long as the seats are aligned with the windows then they'll remain on my good books; although I never understand why TOCs don't maximise comfort where possible. For example they could of used class 395 seats in standard class and have the first class seats the same as that on the 800s - pointless in my opinion how they've laid out the interior.

Cause it'd cost Transport Scotland more money to do that.

 

[Domh245]

I think the front face is smart looking, but having seen it from the side I'm having second thoughts about the unit in it's entirety. Makes me wonder why Transport Scotland didn't go for British built Electrostars that are coming into fashion down south just now. Worried at the gap between windows would result in poor window|seat alignment which is becoming the norm over the national rail network, and not to mention the god damned ironing boards invading most trains left right and centre.

A British built class 387 with similar seats to class 379 would've been less hassle I'd of thought than importing new trains from Japan. As long as the seats are aligned with the windows then they'll remain on my good books; although I never understand why TOCs don't maximise comfort where possible. For example they could of used class 395 seats in standard class and have the first class seats the same as that on the 800s - pointless in my opinion how they've laid out the interior.

Never the less I'm still a fan of the 385s, I just hope they live up to what Scotrail said they would do and hopefully prove us wrong.

Last thing I want come electrification is mediocre stock coming up my way.

As others have said, Bombardier weren't offering the 387 anymore (although they made some exceptions for GWR) so it'd have had to have been an Aventra, which has a fair bit of a back order to chew through first

And don't forget that these units are being mostly assembled at Newton Aycliffe. As per the 800/801s, the bodyshells are imported from Japan and then fitted out in the UK

 

[Clansman]

Apologies, was unaware that the 387s weren't available for order by the time the 385s were. My bad.

Cause it'd cost Transport Scotland more money to do that.

They could've used the £1million average monthly profit made from Abellio Scotr-.......oh wait

Still, it would've been a whole lot better from a passenger perspective.