It most certainly was 170401Something has left Haymarket Depot earlier today, presuming it's the start of the 170 C6 Overhaul as mentioned before...
Realtime Trains | 5Q08 1259 Haymarket Depot to Kilmarnock Bonnyton Depot | 26/10/2025
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I think it's 170401 that's gone across.
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reecestrains
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Thanks for clarifying. It'll be interesting to see once it's overhaul has been completed inside and out.
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What's the C6 overhaul? Presumably recovering the seat cushions!
Davester50
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That would be good - they're a bit minging these days
reecestrains
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It also includes partial internal refresh and external relivery as well as safety overhaul of certain components including doors, batteries, air conditioning, etc.
reecestrains
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One to keep an eye out for, 170401 could be heading back for Haymarket if it does run tomorrow...
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I'm not seeing a run for another unit to go yet, but it'll be interesting to see what they've done both inside and out on 401.
Realtime Trains | 5Q02 1236 Kilmarnock Bonnyton Depot to Haymarket Depot | 05/12/2025
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I'm not seeing a run for another unit to go yet, but it'll be interesting to see what they've done both inside and out on 401.
ScottDarg
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170406 reportedly moved to Doncaster on Wednesday: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K48400/2025-12-03/detailedOne to keep an eye out for, 170401 could be heading back for Haymarket if it does run tomorrow...
Realtime Trains | 5Q02 1236 Kilmarnock Bonnyton Depot to Haymarket Depot | 05/12/2025
Real-time train running information for 5Q02 1236 departure from Kilmarnock Bonnyton Depot to Haymarket Depot on 05/12/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
I'm not seeing a run for another unit to go yet, but it'll be interesting to see what they've done both inside and out on 401.
reecestrains
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Yep, nothing has come out today and those two paths have just come in this morning as well.
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It can't have been, it's been in service today in the central belt.
ScottDarg
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Fair enough - reinforces the fact that you can never fully rely on what others post on social media!
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Nothing special, but it will have an interior repaint, new seat covers and carpet, USB C chargers and the first class removed. Most of the work is on the electrical and mechanical side, but should improve reliability.
reecestrains
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How come is the first class being removed?
scotraildriver
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Not needed. There will still be enough of the later batch units with 1st class to use on long distance services or cover for HSTs These are normally used on routes where 1st class isn't needed. (Borders, Glasgow - Dundee, Fife circle etc).
reecestrains
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If they're only keeping First Class on the later 170's, that'll only be 13 units that will have First Class operation on long distance which are 170425-170434 and 170450-170452.
scotraildriver
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Yup, should be fine. HST availability is fairly consistent these days, very few substitutions and long term the class 222 should be even better. The 170s will be used mainly on suburban routes with no need for first class. Sensible decision.
Davester50
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They're badly needing it. This was on one last week.
The badly worn seat in the picture below wasn't the only one on the set too.
The badly worn seat in the picture below wasn't the only one on the set too.
That's as bad as the S Stock!
First class on most of the 170s is a disgrace anyway with the curtains hanging off or missing, broken table lights, worn out seats that are permanently reclined and filthy walls and carpets. It's embarrassing that customers are actually paying extra for it.
Transilien
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It really is a mess. They need new first class seats on the 13 that are keeping it
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Sounds like the LNR 350/2s before they became declassified.. now everyones rushing for them!!
reecestrains
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Depends if and when they happen to refresh these 170's as well, which I presume will be after the ones currently being refreshed.
aaronspence
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Are they also looking into the WiFi? It seems to be a good 25% chance the WiFi works on a 170 from experience
reecestrains
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401's run back to Haymarket has been cancelled.
GhostManDN91
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Unrelated but does anyone know how long ScotRail are keeping the HSTs for?
John Bishop
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Until the 222s arrive then will be phased out. Suspect gone in 2027.
GhostManDN91
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Ah ok so the 222s are confirmed as replacements? Hadn't heard anything and was curious. Interesting to know.
BorderCollie
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Nothing confirmed. Been a long time 'expectation' - but nothing signed/announced officially. Still.
John Bishop
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It is confirmed but not officially to the outside world. It’s one of the worst kept secrets on the railway.