• Our new ticketing site is now live! Using either this or the original site (both powered by TrainSplit) helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchase! Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread!

Scotlands 'No holds barred' Rail Plan.

Status
Not open for further replies.

Metroland

Established Member
Joined
20 Jul 2005
Messages
3,212
Location
Midlands
Its actually part of a larger plan, including a £3 billion upgrade of the A9 and a £3 billion guided bus network for Glasgow, but here's the rail part:

Electrification of the strategic rail network

Aim: To work towards creating an electrified rail network across Scotland to reduce journey times, operating costs and emissions. Currently, only 23 per cent of the Scottish rail network is electrified. Electrification of the network would be a long-term package of works, rolling out over sections in phases. There is already a commitment to electrification as part of the Edinburgh to Glasgow rail improvement programme. Other Central Belt routes and routes north to Aberdeen and Inverness would follow. This large-scale project will bring significant environmental benefits, reducing energy consumption and emissions and enabling new routes and services to be introduced.


Reconfiguration of the National Rail Timetable

Aim: To reduce public transport journey times, particularly between Aberdeen / Inverness and the Central Belt. This work involves re-casting the national rail timetable to provide fast, limited-stop trains for longer-distance journeys along with an adequate number of semi-fast services serving intermediate stations. This will have the effect of reducing train journey times between Aberdeen / Inverness and the Central Belt by up to 20 minutes, helping to attract passengers from cars onto rail.

Integrated Ticketing

Aim: To introduce a national, integrated ticketing system which will allow people to travel seamlessly on all modes of transport using one ticket. Measures to incorporate integrated ticketing would include introducing smartcard technology, similar to schemes operating in London and other European cities, and investing in equipment at sales facilities, terminals, on buses and trams and for back-office systems. A ‘one ticket’ system would make public transport more accessible, easier to use and more attractive.

Rail system enhancements

Aim: To improve the current rail system’s overall operational performance by making improvements at points in the network which are operating close to capacity. The project involves rolling out operational and relatively small-scale individual infrastructure measures which will improve efficiency, reduce journey times and allow more trains to use the network. Activities would include replacing and upgrading signalling, improving track layout at junctions and adding new loops of track and double track.

East of Scotland rail improvements.

Aim: To provide more capacity and more rail services in the East of Scotland on some of Scotland’s busiest rail lines. This project will consist of a wide range of works and new initiatives, including new, more frequent or faster train services between West Calder and Haymarket, Edinburgh and Newcraighall, Edinburgh and Dunbar, Edinburgh and Cowdenbeath and Haymarket and Kirkcaldy. Additional rolling stock and new facilities to support these services would be introduced and parts of the network remodelled to include new signals and new loops of track. This project would help protect the 60-minute commutable area to Edinburgh, opening up employment opportunities, and would be expected to reduce

Edinburgh to Glasgow rail improvements

Aim: To enhance rail services between Edinburgh and Glasgow to improve access to jobs, increase public transport capacity, reduce car journeys and encourage travel by public transport. The Edinburgh to Glasgow rail improvements project will involve a number of elements including electrified railway between Edinburgh and Glasgow, a new station at Gogar to serve Edinburgh Airport and a new curve at Dalmeny to enable access to the new station. This would allow six trains per hour to run between Edinburgh and Glasgow Queen Street and three trains per hour between Edinburgh and Glasgow Central. It would also give access to Edinburgh Park for Edinburgh to Glasgow services.

Highland mainline rail improvements

Aim: To improve rail network capacity for passengers and freight between Inverness and Perth. This package of works would comprise additional loops, double-track sections, line gauge enhancements and new and improved signals, as well as the use of more powerful traction. Together with the removal of freight train speed limits below 75 mph, this is expected to help reduce journey times by around 35 minutes making rail an attractive alternative for passengers and freight.

Rail improvements between Aberdeen and Inverness

Aim: To reduce journey time and increase frequency of service on the train between Aberdeen and Inverness. Improvements to the rail line between Aberdeen and Inverness as part of this proposal would include new loops and line speed improvements, dual track sections and a new station at Dalcross with Park & Ride and an interchange to Inverness Airport. This would allow the introduction of more trains per day between Inverness and Aberdeen (at least one per hour) and additional rail services between Nairn and Inverness (two per hour).

Grangemouth road and rail access upgrades

Aim: To improve rail access to Grangemouth port and the freight hub and road access to and from the motorway network. On the roads, the Grangemouth project will involve an upgrade to Junction 6 on the M9 and the A801 between Grangemouth and the M8. On the rail, it would see electrifi cation of the railway between Coatbridge and Grangemouth, track modifi cations to improve access from the west and east and an increased loading gauge to allow larger containers to be carried by train. This project will help serve existing and developing industrial and distribution facilities along the M8.

Upgrade Edinburgh Haymarket

Aim: To signifi cantly improve the public transport interchange in Edinburgh, improving links to the airport and enhancing rail capacity. The Haymarket upgrade project is about improving platform level access at Edinburgh Haymarket and developing a new concourse on platform level. This will help ensure the interchange is able to cope with the anticipated 50 per cent increase in rail demand forecast for between 2005 and 2022 and create opportunities for passengers to transfer between rail, tram and bus, making it easier to get around the city and to key locations such as the airport.

Rail improvements between Aberdeen and the Central Belt

Aim: To make travelling by rail between Aberdeen and the Central Belt more competitive than road journeys for passengers and freight. This project will entail a number of initiatives being introduced in phases: Phase 1 would include re-working the passenger train timetable on the Aberdeen-Dundee – Edinburgh-Glasgow route to provide: One express train an hour to Glasgow (2¼-hour journey) One express train an hour to Edinburgh (2-hour journey) Separate stopping services for intermediate stations.

West of Scotland strategic rail enhancements

Aim: To increase rail capacity in central Glasgow and increase public transport access to areas of economic activity and to key public services. This project includes a wide range of measures to improve capacity and cross-city travel in Glasgow. The development of this project will build on improvements to be delivered through the Edinburgh to Glasgow Improvements Programme. Significant works could include developing a Metro/Light Rapid Transit network across Glasgow and/or a new city centre station.

Rail enhancements between Inverclyde, Ayrshire and Glasgow

Aim: To increase rail capacity and reduce journey times between Inverclyde, Ayrshire and Glasgow. This project is likely to require the following infrastructure enhancements: Signalling upgrades between Kilwinning and Paisley Reopening the line from Elderslie to Paisley Canal Electrifying existing Paisley Canal branch Increasing track capacity between Glasgow and Paisley Turnback facilities, extended loops and new loops at various points on the lines Additional platform capacity at Glasgow Central and general improvements to stations along the route. This would allow the introduction of four trains per hour between Glasgow and Ayr, Glasgow and Kilmarnock, and Glasgow and Gourock, based on a two semi-fast, two stopping timetable. Four trains per hour could be provided between Glasgow and Johnstone with two trains per hour between Glasgow and Wemyss Bay.

West Coast mainline rail freight improvements

Aim: To provide greater opportunity to move freight by rail rather than road between Scotland and England. This project could interact with any similar proposals developed by the Department for Transport on the West Coast mainline south of Carlisle. Examples of work between the Border and Glasgow would be lengthening of loops of track, removing speed limits below 75mph for freight trains and increasing the loading gauge and freight terminal capacity. A new line would be provided between Mossend and Coatbridge which would involve the construction of an overbridge across the A8 and M8.

Inverkeithing to Halbeath railway line

Aim: To reduce train journey times from Edinburgh to Perth, Aberdeen and Inverness and local Fife services and improve access to the port of Rosyth. This project would involve the construction of a direct, dual-track rail link between Inverkeithing and Halbeath with new rail junctions at each location. A Park & Ride facility would be provided at Halbeath. These works would assist commuters to Edinburgh, long distance train passengers and provide

http://www.transportbriefing.co.uk/story.php?id=5380
 
Last edited:
Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; click here to register, or click here to log in
R

RailUK Forums

PhilipW

Member
Joined
6 Feb 2008
Messages
761
Location
Fareham, Hants
Good for Scotland.

If anyone had any doubt about the benefits of devolution, the vigour in which Scotland is attemting to upgrade its transport system should put them to doubt.

Wales too is being dynamic in its approach to transport (eg. Ebbw Vale re-opening).

As an Englishman I can only say that I am somewhat ashamed by the inactivity and lack of vision and direction that comes from our own transport masters in D(a)fT.
 

DaveNewcastle

Established Member
Joined
21 Dec 2007
Messages
7,387
Location
Newcastle (unless I'm out)
There's going to be a lot of work involved!
Wonder how its going to be funded - Scottish politicians don't seem to be as confident in funding infrastructure as they were.

Didn't see any mention of re-laying the Waverly line (Edinburgh Newcraighall to Galashiels Tweedbank) but perhaps that's part of the current round of funding (not that contracts for construction have been awarded yet).

Also unclear how the proposals for "Inverclyde, Ayrshire and Glasgow" tie in with the GARL (new line to Glasgow Airport with additional platform at Glasgow Central).
 
Last edited:

rail-britain

Established Member
Joined
12 Aug 2007
Messages
4,102
I don't see anything new in there, for Rail, that was already planned or proposed
However, I do note that the Aberdeen CrossRail project does not get a mention!
Even with the improvements on other plans that affect Aberdeen it pretty much means "no localised improvement"
 

Nick W

Established Member
Joined
5 Nov 2005
Messages
1,435
Location
Cambridge
Nothing "big" then, though I will look with interest at the new Forth bridge.
 

me123

Established Member
Joined
9 Jul 2007
Messages
8,510
However, I do note that the Aberdeen CrossRail project does not get a mention!

I see that; I would have thought that it was a useful link. Anyway, they do get an hourly service to Inverness with (presumably) half hourly to Dyce and perhaps Inverurie, which is something I suppose.

As you say, nothing in there's a shock. We knew it was planned, but it's god to see all these ideas in one place; hopefully we'll see benefits soon. And it's all useful; I can see benefits to every single proposal and the cost:benefit ratio looks alright. (of course, I don't have figures for that!)
 

Metroland

Established Member
Joined
20 Jul 2005
Messages
3,212
Location
Midlands
Thought the electrification was the most interesting, lets hope they run some of that off Scotland's bounty of renewable energy!

Won't be many diesels needed on the ECML soon, so I really do think HST 2 is dead.
 

me123

Established Member
Joined
9 Jul 2007
Messages
8,510
Not really. Isn't HST2 (assuming it's the same as ICEP) going to be dual powered or leccy only?
 

Metroland

Established Member
Joined
20 Jul 2005
Messages
3,212
Location
Midlands
But up in the air atm, everyone thinks its going to end up electric only. NR may announce a rolling programme of electrification next spring anyway, starting with Glasgow-Edinburgh.
 
Last edited:

jopsuk

Veteran Member
Joined
13 May 2008
Messages
12,774
Unless the DfT get a shift on soon, ICEP will still be needed in a diesel/hybride form on the Great Western and Midland mainlines
 

rail-britain

Established Member
Joined
12 Aug 2007
Messages
4,102
I see that; I would have thought that it was a useful link. Anyway, they do get an hourly service to Inverness with (presumably) half hourly to Dyce and perhaps Inverurie, which is something I suppose
The extended services to Dyce / Inverurie have been dumped
Instead the main proposal continues
However, this has big risks and impacts for the main Aberdeen - Dundee (southbound) route and northbound, if through services are late

The Aberdeen CrossRail was pretty much a return to the previous arrangement where one train (or unit now) would simply plough between Montrose and Insch all day
This was useful at peak times, but was axed on introduction of the Class 156s on to Aberdeen - Inverness
 

me123

Established Member
Joined
9 Jul 2007
Messages
8,510
I would extend to Peterhead (there should be enough demand) every hour and run a Montrose-Peterhead, with the Peterhead line diverging at Dyce. It would serve all stops to Aberdeen and allow faster services to Aberdeen to run fast from Montrose to Aberdeen. Allowing, of course, for easy connections.
 

djw1981

Established Member
Joined
10 Jul 2007
Messages
2,642
Location
Glasgow
But up in the air atm, everyone thinks its going to end up electric only. NR may announce a rolling programme of electrification next spring anyway, starting with Glasgow-Edinburgh.

Glasgow to Edinburgh is announced. Scottish Exec are funding it, so they tell NR what they will fund. IIRC any bills go through parliament this coming eyar to start in 2011 and complete by 2014.
 

rail-britain

Established Member
Joined
12 Aug 2007
Messages
4,102
I would extend to Peterhead (there should be enough demand) every hour and run a Montrose-Peterhead, with the Peterhead line diverging at Dyce. It would serve all stops to Aberdeen and allow faster services to Aberdeen to run fast from Montrose to Aberdeen. Allowing, of course, for easy connections.
I would agree, a new rail route from Berryden to Ellon and Peterhead would probably be a great investment
However, it would probably cost about £1.5m per mile!
Oh well, here's dreaming
There was a proposal to reinstate the Deeside line, but that too seems to have been dropped
It's a real shame that almost all the rail development is centred on the Central Belt
What's really strange though is that the A9 will be being dualled between Perth and Inverness, and the rail line will be being upgraded at the same time
Is there some major industry expansion in Inverness, or is this simply to make it easier for people to leave!
 

43106

Member
Joined
6 Jul 2008
Messages
384
Location
South-ish Edinburgh
According to the report in tonight's Edinburgh Evening News, they're anticipating 13 trains an hour between Glasgow and Edinburgh. By my estimate, 6 an hour via Falkirk High, 1 via Shotts, 1(?) via Carstairs (NXEC?). Where's the other 5 coming from? I've heard that the line between Bathgate and Airdrie via Slamannan is going to be reopened and electrified - that means another 2. Anyone got any thoughts as to what other services are being upgraded?
 

me123

Established Member
Joined
9 Jul 2007
Messages
8,510
According to the report in tonight's Edinburgh Evening News, they're anticipating 13 trains an hour between Glasgow and Edinburgh. By my estimate, 6 an hour via Falkirk High, 1 via Shotts, 1(?) via Carstairs (NXEC?). Where's the other 5 coming from? I've heard that the line between Bathgate and Airdrie via Slamannan is going to be reopened and electrified - that means another 2. Anyone got any thoughts as to what other services are being upgraded?

6tph Falkirk High (in the peaks only though; 4tph otherwise)
4tph via Airdrie and Bathgate (apparently)
2tph via Shotts (a semi-fast service will be added apparently)
1tph via Carstairs; that's assuming the frequency doubles.
 

jopsuk

Veteran Member
Joined
13 May 2008
Messages
12,774
According to the report in tonight's Edinburgh Evening News, they're anticipating 13 trains an hour between Glasgow and Edinburgh. By my estimate, 6 an hour via Falkirk High, 1 via Shotts, 1(?) via Carstairs (NXEC?). Where's the other 5 coming from? I've heard that the line between Bathgate and Airdrie via Slamannan is going to be reopened and electrified - that means another 2. Anyone got any thoughts as to what other services are being upgraded?
The twin-track electric line via Bathgate and Airdrie is already being done
 

Sir_Clagalot

Member
Joined
9 Aug 2007
Messages
853
Surely HST2/ICEP would benefit from being a hybrid diesel/electric, that way they can keep going via unelectrified diversionary routes, rather than rely on busses
 

rail-britain

Established Member
Joined
12 Aug 2007
Messages
4,102
Surely HST2/ICEP would benefit from being a hybrid diesel/electric, that way they can keep going via unelectrified diversionary routes, rather than rely on busses
Is this in the wrong topic?
I was under the impression that HST2 was already diesel so there shouldn't be any major issues over its use on diversionary, except crew availability and route knowledge
 

tbtc

Veteran Member
Joined
16 Dec 2008
Messages
18,061
Location
Reston City Centre
6tph Falkirk High (in the peaks only though; 4tph otherwise)
4tph via Airdrie and Bathgate (apparently)
2tph via Shotts (a semi-fast service will be added apparently)
1tph via Carstairs; that's assuming the frequency doubles.


I think the Shotts semi fast proposal is long overdue - if you're going to electrify between Edinburgh and Glasgow then at least this has wires for a decent stretch at each end - not too far to fill in the gaps...
 

rail-britain

Established Member
Joined
12 Aug 2007
Messages
4,102
One problem with the Shotts timetable is that the semi-fast needs to be offset, otherwise it almost catches up with the standard service
However, it's some improvement compared to 10 years ago when it had 0.5 trains per hour, where the diagrammed swapped with the Barrhead service, resulting in quite severe delays some times!
 

me123

Established Member
Joined
9 Jul 2007
Messages
8,510
Could you not minimise this by operating "skip-stop" between Shotts and West Calder or something?
 

tbtc

Veteran Member
Joined
16 Dec 2008
Messages
18,061
Location
Reston City Centre
Could you not minimise this by operating "skip-stop" between Shotts and West Calder or something?

...or maybe having one doing all of the West Lothian stops (and running faster through Lanarkshire) and the other doing the Lanarkshire stops (and running faster through West Lothian)?

Shame it's not electrified to tie in with the EMU Bellshill (etc) services.
 

djw1981

Established Member
Joined
10 Jul 2007
Messages
2,642
Location
Glasgow
The reduces the connectivity between west lothian and noth lanarkshire. these are two of the most public transport (i.e. low car ownership) areas in Scotland/UK, and there is a lot of traffic between the two, which rail should be hoping to capture from the (awful) buses.
 

tbtc

Veteran Member
Joined
16 Dec 2008
Messages
18,061
Location
Reston City Centre
The reduces the connectivity between west lothian and noth lanarkshire. these are two of the most public transport (i.e. low car ownership) areas in Scotland/UK, and there is a lot of traffic between the two, which rail should be hoping to capture from the (awful) buses.

True, but surely most passengers are for trips between West Lothian/ North Lanarkshire and Edinburgh/ Glasgow?

If you make sure that both services stop at (say) Livingston South, Shotts and Holytown/ Bellshill (to connect for Motherwell etc), then you've a good compramise between "local" and longer distance (e.g. keeping the "fast" service fast enough to be competative for Ayrshire/ Inverclyde passengers to take it to/from Central, rather than using the "Shuttle" at Queen Street).
 

Tom B

Established Member
Joined
27 Jul 2005
Messages
4,680
You could, though, miss the stops between Slateford and Curriehill (inclusive) - as, really, anyone who wants to go from there is going to travel by bus (far more frequent than an hourly train). However, past Curriehill the 'competition' is Firstbus - which nobody in their right mind would willingly use, so there's more of a chance for companies to gain passengers.

(Though, would First Scotrail want to compete with Firstbus?)
 

djw1981

Established Member
Joined
10 Jul 2007
Messages
2,642
Location
Glasgow
True, but surely most passengers are for trips between West Lothian/ North Lanarkshire and Edinburgh/ Glasgow?

If you make sure that both services stop at (say) Livingston South, Shotts and Holytown/ Bellshill (to connect for Motherwell etc), then you've a good compramise between "local" and longer distance (e.g. keeping the "fast" service fast enough to be competative for Ayrshire/ Inverclyde passengers to take it to/from Central, rather than using the "Shuttle" at Queen Street).

The latter point is the more valid one, especially if FC were ever introduced on Ayrshire routs, and the EMU could then just 'reverse' at Central. i.e. Ayr-Glasgow Central-Edinburgh.

Many trips are between nth Lanarks and West Lothian, hence the decision for more stops on the A-B route improving connectivity between the north of Livingston and North lanarkshire. intra-central belt journeys are now as important as end-end journeys - over 50% of people using the Queen St shuttle are not traveling to the termini, but doing 2 or 3 station journeys.

as ever, headline journey time has to be set in a background of passenger flows and demand, something which IMO will see the VHF timetable rapidly relaxed and mroe station stops added to meet the passenger flows.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Top