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If there is a Yes vote on Thursday, the UK Government is bound to accept the outcome and accept Scotland as an independent state once independence is finally sorted out. The rUK cannot legitimately delay independence any longer than is absolutely required as the alternative is an affront to the spirit of British democracy.

It would also not be in the UK's interests to try to extract some form of "revenge" on Scotland. The UK's interests are best served by having a good relationship with our neighbour. There are sound reasons for not agreeing to a currency union, but there's no real valid reason for blocking EU membership.

In any case, if the independence settlement hasn't been finalised by 2017, rUK could find its self with an unwanted EU membership. I that case would it be theoretically possible for Scotland to continue as the EU member with rUK leaving?
 
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If the Scots do vote No, it will despite rather than because of the negative No campaign. Good parody tonight on the "Mock the Week" TV comedy show:

Yes: "I'm leaving"

What "No" might have said: "Dont go, we have had a brilliant relationship"
What "No" did say " You'll be nothing without me"
 

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3 days to go before a part of the UK decides one way or another to leave or stay.

Hard to believe there was once a British Empire.

Looks as though the place is falling apart.
 

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With regard to the seemingly never-ending daily polls conducted by organisations that are spoon-fed ad nauseum to the public at large in all forms of media, it always gives me the greatest of delight to cast my mind back to those totally incorrect polls that preceded the 1992 General Election. I wonder how much current turnover is being generated by these polling companies.
 

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3 days to go before a part of the UK decides one way or another to leave or stay.

Hard to believe there was once a British Empire.

Looks as though the place is falling apart.

I didn't think we were allowed to mention the British Empire any more as it was supposedly responsible for every ist and ism that our soft modern world can think up

Independence for everyone, except for things like NHS and Social Services and benefits of course, how does every independent minded person think the bills are going to be paid ?

I worked for the Post Office when it was split up to make it more profitable, what did we get ?, three main businesses all requiring an independent structure with independent boards and each with an independent hierarchy, maybe someone could explain how independence benefits anyone
 

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One thing's for certain, assuming it's a No vote Scotland is going to be a far more hostile place for the English to work or visit.
 

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One thing's for certain, assuming it's a No vote Scotland is going to be a far more hostile place for the English to work or visit.

Perhaps it will depend on where you visit. I should think people in the hospitality trade will need every rUK pound they can get.
I wonder if Scottish people will still display those silly "ECOSSE" badges on their cars as they pass down the M6. I wonder what would happen to cars displaying a discreet flag of St George parked overnight on a Scottish Street. Or maybe there wil be a dramatic increase in France to Scotland flights and so avoid passing through old enemy territory . ;);)
But one thing I have noticed on my trips to the Inner Hebrides is the high proportion of English settlers and how many new businesses are run by English people. I hope they are OK whatever the poll result as there will be quite a degree of bitterness around.
 

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Perhaps it will depend on where you visit. I should think people in the hospitality trade will need every rUK pound they can get.
I wonder if Scottish people will still display those silly "ECOSSE" badges on their cars as they pass down the M6. I wonder what would happen to cars displaying a discreet flag of St George parked overnight on a Scottish Street. Or maybe there wil be a dramatic increase in France to Scotland flights and so avoid passing through old enemy territory . ;);)
But one thing I have noticed on my trips to the Inner Hebrides is the high proportion of English settlers and how many new businesses are run by English people. I hope they are OK whatever the poll result as there will be quite a degree of bitterness around.

You're right it does depend on where you go, the highlands are pretty safe and probably will continue to be.

I certainly wouldn't park anywhere in Glasgow/Edinburgh and other cities with an identifiable English registered car.

My brother in law lives in Dunoon and he tells me that there is a definite anti-English feeling which has got worse in the last 3 months or so.
 

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The anti English stuff is bonkers.
Where do you get this rubbish.

If Scotland votes YES will i be in danger when i visit England next week?
 

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The anti English stuff is bonkers.
Where do you get this rubbish.

If Scotland votes YES will i be in danger when i visit England next week?

I haven't got the time but just put anti-English Scotland into google if you really think there is no anti English agenda.
 

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Two views from the other side of the Irish Sea.

The article below is from Michael McDowell. I would not be being unkind to say that he was a failure as a Politician. After 2007 his party disbanded and he was the shortest-serving political-party leader in the history of the State. Inept would be a reasonable summary of his Political career.

A Dunkirk moment for British establishment London needs Scotland more than Scotland needs London, so anything will be promised to avoid a vote in favour of Scottish independence. Michael McDowell, Published 14/09/2014.

Thursday's vote in Scotland is a truly amazing historic phenomenon. The people of Scotland are being accorded the right to choose to peaceably secede from the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The people of Northern Ireland already have that right but are unlikely to exercise it in the very near future. The UK has truly become a conditional entity.

More than four million Scots are entitled to vote, and voter registration suggests that there will be a high turnout.Of course, opinion polls are one thing; actual voting is another thing entirely. We only have to remember that the outcome of our Seanad Referendum a week from polling was a foregone conclusion, according to the pollsters, to remind ourselves that there is a world of a difference between indicating "soft" support for or against a proposition on your doorstep and going out to vote for it in a polling station. In the Seanad referendum, opinion polls suggested a very high intended turnout (more than 80pc) but polling day saw half that number actually voting.

In the end, opposition to abolition of the Seanad was a much "harder" vote than the abolitionist vote. The issue in Scotland will be decided by the "hardness" of conviction voters on the day; it will be a tussle between the head and the heart. My personal preference for the Scots is for a "Yes" vote. Why? I think that Scotland, like this part of Ireland, will be immensely more successful and more fulfilled by taking the path of independence. I agree with Garret FitzGerald's view that independence has been hugely positive for Ireland. Economically, socially and culturally, we have prospered in a way that simply would not have happened if we were a province in the United Kingdom. I think the same will be true for Scotland.

Post-industrial Great Britain is increasingly the state of the Great Divide. The metropolitan south-east is breaking away from the rest of the island along a line of tectonic fracture which goes from the Severn to the Wash. On one side of the line is post-industrial decay; on the other is a dynamic financial entrepot. On one side there is hope and confidence; on the other lies a sense of inexorable decline. The High Speed Rail project (HS2) is designed to anchor the process of drift in the midlands. But no-one is proposing to build it to Glasgow. Scotland's national future, I think, needs independence. Of course, the British Establishment is now belatedly offering a promise of Dev Max to buy off independence. Why did Cameron keep it off the ballot paper only to offer it as a desperate game-changer when the postal votes had already been cast? Can that promise be taken seriously? Read Ronan Fanning's work The Fatal Path to judge how sincere or insincere the British Establishment can be when making "Home Rule" promises.

In truth, the referendum is more a crisis for England. Issues such as currency sharing and EU membership are being raised by those in London whose real fear is their own incapacity to believe in a future United Kingdom of England, Wales and Northern Ireland. It looks so wholly improbable that it must send a shudder of fright through Westminster and Whitehall. Such a United Kingdom would stand diminished on the international stage. By irony, London needs Scotland far more than Scotland needs London. That is why the parties at Westminster from the Tories, the Liberals, Labour to UKIP all need a "No" vote. Scotland is indispensable to their self-image internationally. To them, Britain means much more than England with Wales and Northern Ireland tacked on. The British media simply do not want to become the media of England and Wales. Hence their relentless pursuit of a "No" vote. The notion of England, Wales and Northern Ireland exiting the EU, while Scotland and Ireland stay on seems faintly ridiculous.

The much-promised "In-Out" referendum looks like a joke if it takes place in England, Wales and Northern Ireland. It looks like a bluff that would be easily called by the EU. All of this leads me to believe that anything - literally anything - will be said, done, threatened or promised to avoid a "Yes" vote between now and Thursday. This is a "Dunkirk moment" for the British Establishment. Everything is on the line. By the way, the same does not apply to Northern Ireland. Even the Tories would secretly be somewhere between indifference and relief if Northern Ireland opted out of the UKI don't buy the London line that a currency union cannot be negotiated. Scotland's currency cannot be confiscated any more than Sterling could have been removed by London as a currency from post-independence Ireland. Like Pat Cox, I cannot see the EU cutting an independent Scotland adrift. Nor do I take the line that independence is "irreversible"; if Scotland having voted "Yes" were to change its mind, London would welcome them back with open arms. If the vote is "Yes", Scotland simply will have to be accommodated.

Contrary assertions are crude bluffs and nothing more. Ireland - North and South - will be affected by the outcome, either way. The entire "Ulster-Scots" politico-cultural axis would be re-defined by a "Yes" vote. The northern Unionist mind-set would be radically affected in a brave new world of a lessened UK. Even if the vote is "No", Devo Max for Scotland would change Northern Ireland's political landscape. And if the vote is a narrow "No", Salmond will win anyway. Independence will be on the permanent agenda politically. This week will not be pretty; but it will be riveting.

Sunday Independent - See more at: http://www.independent.ie/opinion/c...ablishment-30585156.html#sthash.ZCEfq7px.dpuf

Ruth Dudley Edwards is a Dublin born journalist and Irish historian with a sypathetic ear towards the Northern Irish Unionist viewpoint.

The English are fed up with the racist Scots and are ready for the fallout The effect on English opinion of the contemptuous insults of Alex Salmond bodes ill for Scotland in future negotiations. Published 14/09/2014

The English are getting fed up with the racist Scots. About 15 years ago, maddened by the twists and turns of the peace process, I wrote a satirical crime novel called The Anglo-Irish Murders. It was set in Mayo at a conference intended to help the inhabitants of the British Isles better to appreciate each other's cultures. The English organiser was apprehensive: "these peoples have been at each other's throats for centuries," he explained to a friend. "The Catholic Irish have hated the English and the Protestant Anglo-Irish, certainly, though not necessarily vice versa. But the English and the Welsh have always hated each other. The Protestants of Northern Ireland are mostly Scots and hate the English as well as the Irish, and the Scots look down on everyone and since getting their own parliament to swank importantly in, have become as militant as the Micks. "And, he added, "In the middle of this the poor old English are always wondering why people get so excited and why everybody else can't be sensible."

Wanting a more peaceful existence was one reason I decamped for England in the late 1960s. Having had an overdose of nationalism growing up in Ireland, I really appreciated how low-key English patriotism was and how - unlike the Celts - they didn't go on about it but mostly subsumed it in their Britishness, as during the Last Night of the Proms, when there would be some waving of the Union Flag and singing of Rule Britannia. They were benign about their neighbours. If England wasn't playing, they'd cheer for the Irish, Welsh or Scots, and be a bit mystified why the compliment wasn't returned.

Of course the non-English complained about what they perceived as the English sense of superiority, something that sprang from having about 80pc of the population of the two islands and from being patient with the touchy Celts. Noting that England (as opposed to Great Britain) didn't have a national song, Michael Flanders, the lyricist of the great satirical combo Flanders and Swann, obliged with the Song of Patriotic Prejudice which you'll find on YouTube.

It opens with

"The English, the English, the English are best

I wouldn't give tuppence for all of the rest.

The rottenest bits of these islands of ours

We've left in the hands of three unfriendly powers

Examine the Irishman, Welshman or Scot

You'll find he's a stinker, as likely as not."

And so on. My favourite lines are: "The English are moral, the English are good/ And clever and modest and misunderstood" -which is what most secretly believe but would have thought it bad form to say out loud. But what with having Islamists murder and threaten them, seeing their values derided by the left, being given no credit for their decency to immigrants and neighbours, and having a strong sense (exacerbated by the discovery that gangs of Pakistani origin got away with grooming white children) that racism seems to be off-limits to everyone except those who hate the English, there's a change of mood.

The tone of the independence campaign, with Alex Salmond's sneering anti-Englishness and his more excitable supporters' racism has made it worse. At a recent party, I asked a nice middle-class English couple I'd barely met if they had a view on the Scottish referendum. "I hope they vote 'yes,'" said the woman passionately. "I can't stand them."

It turned out she'd lived in Scotland for a few years where she'd had her origins and accent incessantly mocked and derided and she was outraged by how so many Scots had bought into the ugly nationalism of the vicious Mel Gibson Braveheart (wicked-cruel-English-heroic-William-Wallace) travesty, a film the writer and Labour activist John O'Farrell once explained could not have been more historically inaccurate even if a plasticine dog had been inserted in the film and the title changed to William Wallace and Gromit.

What rocked me was that she was an ordained member of the notoriously gentle and tolerant Church of England. It was also clear that others present, including me, were simmering with repressed anger and a sense of "The hell with them. See how they enjoy life without us to pick up the tab."

I don't really think that, as I truly believe it would be a tragedy for these islands if the Union is fragmented because the Scots have been taken in by a charlatan. But if they do say 'yes', Scotland will have to face a harsh reality. The English will not be a push- over in the complex and crucial negotiations to come. As David Trimble put it pithily about the major issue: "If there is no Union then why would the English electorate agree to let Scots share their currency?"

Whichever way the vote goes, there's enormous pressure building up for a constitutional conference to give England a fairer deal and its regions more power. It's the sensible thing to do.

www.ruthdudleyedwards.com @ruthde Sunday Independent - See more at: http://www.independent.ie/opinion/c...he-fallout-30585111.html#sthash.67Rj4X9O.dpuf

As an Englishman living in Dublin with an Irish partner and Scottish son-in-law (who is Pro Independence but cannot vote as he also lives in Dublin), I can see all sides of the argument. Personally my view tends to be more toward Ruth Dudley Edwards point, although the anti English feel in Scotland is nowhere near the anti English view that still pervades in many parts of the Island of Ireland. And I say that from extensive experience of both countries over the last 40 years.
 

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The anti English stuff is bonkers.
Where do you get this rubbish.

If Scotland votes YES will i be in danger when i visit England next week?

From Scottish people. Especially when in groups of three or more having drunk alcohol.
You will still be very welcome here for your holidays and in no danger even from patriotic rough English people.;)
I agree the anti English stuff is bonkers but it is there.
 

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I wonder what would happen to cars displaying a discreet flag of St George parked overnight on a Scottish Street.

Nothing.
The same that happens now, funnily enough.


If Scotland votes YES will i be in danger when i visit England next week?

No.

You won't be in danger if it's a No vote, either.


No - but there is, throughout Scotland, a strong anti English feeling.

How strange. I haven't really experienced this anywhere, nor has anybody I know. But hey, what would I know? I only live here and travel round various parts of Scotland fairly frequently.
I should point out that it isn't unusual for people to think I'm English because of my accent.


A vocal minority mouthing off a bit doesn't mean you have to tar a whole population with that view.
It's like saying all English people are football hooligans who go on holiday to Spanish resorts to stay in the hotel complex, get drunk, smash up other people's stuff and have a fight. It may be true for some, but that doesn't make it true for the majority.


From Scottish people. Especially when in groups of three or more having drunk alcohol.
You will still be very welcome here for your holidays and in no danger even from patriotic rough English people.;)
I agree the anti English stuff is bonkers but it is there.

Seriously? :|




The amount of crap being spouted in in this thread is impressive.
 

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...-terrorising-the-No-campaign-in-Scotland.html

An anti-English racist group linked to Scotland’s Yes campaign is behind some of the organised intimidation which drove a prominent No supporter off the streets.
Mr Ogilvie, a self-confessed racist, is the former leader of the now-defunct “Settler Watch” group which attacked English-owned property in Scotland and made death threats to English residents in the 1990s.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-tears-victim-anti-English-abuse-school.html


An English-born schoolgirl was left in tears when she became the victim of vicious anti-English abuse in her Scottish secondary school.
This could be the tip of the iceberg and possibly being experienced by many others because of the passion being whipped up surrounding independence.
'We’re a very British family, but I’m afraid to put a pro-Union sticker in my window.'
http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotla...-attitudes-towards-english-revealed-1-1139407

SCHOOLCHILDREN in Scotland show a "worrying hostility" towards English people and should be taught to curb their prejudice during anti-racism education, an Executive report has recommended.
The study into children's attitudes to ethnic minorities found education about the Holocaust improved tolerance towards other groups. However, there was still a hard core of racist attitudes in schools and up to a third of children displayed an "anti-English sentiment".


http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides...r-warns-of-anti-english-braveheart-sentiment/

Veteran comedian Stanley Baxter has declared his opposition to Scottish independence.
The former child star added: "Scots can deny it as much as they like, but I've seen a lot of anti-English sentiment expressed north of the border but never anti-Scots sentiments south of the border.


http://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...feeling-entrenched-in-scotland-marr-1-3049225

The broadcaster Andrew Marr has warned that anti-English feeling is still “entrenched” in Scotland and can be “toxic”.

The BBC presenter, who was born in Glasgow, also said he was “very worried” about the kind of language being used in the independence debate.


Yes, no anti - English sentiment in Scotland whatsoever.
 
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I have to say am looking very forward to Thursday/Friday anyway.

Either way what Scotland votes will wish the best for them of course and still would move up there, if the girlfriend does get her own place and would want me to.

What i would vote i put a few pages back anyway and only my parents and other half know what i would vote either (She had guessed what i would)

Yes if you go on online forums and comment boards, there will be Anti-English and a hell of a lot more Anti-Scottish comments from the minority off people.

When was younger and used to go up to Aviemore and Perth never had anything anti-English said towards us. The years i have been going out with the other half, i have had nothing negative said to me at all either. Yes of course get the banter, but from girlfriends family and her friends. Will also join in with it. Especially if it is about the Football.

Also could just be Lucky the Part of West Lothian i go to being Armadale, Bathgate and towards Edinburgh i have never come across those people.

It can happen and no one can deny that. But don't believe it is in big numbers. I've worn a small Saint Georges Cross pin badge, on the times i've been to Scotland on Saint Georges day and nothing got said. Apart from other half not knowing why :P

Anyway also if a Yes vote. (Or even likely if a No) A Letter will be written to my MP.
 

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If you think anti english sentiment in Scotland is bad, try wandering around Salford late at night with a southern accent. I solved the problem fairly fast by aquiring a passable local accent!
 

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Nothing.
The same that happens now, funnily enough.




No.

You won't be in danger if it's a No vote, either.




How strange. I haven't really experienced this anywhere, nor has anybody I know. But hey, what would I know? I only live here and travel round various parts of Scotland fairly frequently.
I should point out that it isn't unusual for people to think I'm English because of my accent.


A vocal minority mouthing off a bit doesn't mean you have to tar a whole population with that view.
It's like saying all English people are football hooligans who go on holiday to Spanish resorts to stay in the hotel complex, get drunk, smash up other people's stuff and have a fight. It may be true for some, but that doesn't make it true for the majority.




Seriously? :|



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Just a personal observation.
And a bit fed up with Braveheart type rewriting of history.
 

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Anyway, Braveheart was filmed in Ireland, using the Irish Army reserves as extra's (as was Saving Private Ryan).
 

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Anyway, Braveheart was filmed in Ireland, using the Irish Army reserves as extra's . . .
I wish that more of the debate about Scotland's future had been informed by the Republic's history over its last 90 years of independence.

My only comment at this late stage in all the shouting about currency, economics, business and investment is this:
Just suppose this wasn't happening right now in Scotland. Just imagine that it was England which was holding a referrendum on whether or not to remain within the UK (that's the England which hasn't had a Government for 300 years and so might consider that it deserves one!). Would we be having the same stories about currency, international trade, business relocation, border controls if it was England who was considering leaving? Would the UK government cut off the English economony and currency if they voted 'Yes'?
Of course not!
Scotland is no different.
 

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I wish that more of the debate about Scotland's future had been informed by the Republic's history over its last 90 years of independence.

My only comment at this late stage in all the shouting about currency, economics, business and investment is this:
Just suppose this wasn't happening right now in Scotland. Just imagine that it was England which was holding a referrendum on whether or not to remain within the UK (that's the England which hasn't had a Government for 300 years and so might consider that it deserves one!). Would we be having the same stories about currency, international trade, business relocation, border controls if it was England who was considering leaving? Would the UK government cut off the English economony and currency if they voted 'Yes'?
Of course not!
Scotland is no different.

Is this not the same debate we have continually in relation to Europe ?

As regards to the pound, I think that if England decided to leave the UK, then the remainder of the country would be totally within its rights to decide not to have a currency union with it, particularly if that meant the rest of UK becoming the lender of last resort for England. This situation would be unlikely to arise, such is the comparative size of the English economy, but I believe the principle is the same.

The rest of the UK would not deliberately cut off the Scottish economy in the event of a yes vote, but that doesn't mean that differences in policy might not lead to unintended barriers arising, particularly if Scotland gets caught in the middle between opposing EU entry requirements and longstanding UK policies. I don't understand why people can't see the difference between these and assume that the rest of the UK would automatically be acting out of spite.
 

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What do we have today that the yes supporters don't want to talk about ?

The possibility of losing the tariff-free export arrangements for export of Scotch Whiskey to members of the EU, around 40%-50% of exports which would have to be negotiated by Scotland as an EU member state

The likely loss of all subsidies for wind farms followed by lengthy negotiations on financing them in future, not much of a help to the power supply source for post independence Scotland

The likely loss of all MoD orders for Naval vessels resulting in probable yard closures and heavy job losses

That's along with all the other vast gaps in economic planning which still remain unanswered by the yes campaigners
 

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Police Scotland have cancelled all leave over fears of violent clashes between Yes and No supporters on Friday, and police officers will be deployed at all 2608 polling places...

Whichever way it goes, I'm expecting all hell to break loose which is only going to divide our country even more than it's already divided.
 
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There is bound to be trouble if there is a yes vote, it will then be the duty of the rUK government to get the best deal for its people in any negotiations. Given that the SNP seem to be promising that independence will result in the best of all possible worlds, there will be something they want but don't get. The SNP are then bound to start shouting that this is being done in revenge, and that Westminster is the author of all their misfortunes. Dark days.
 

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When was younger and used to go up to Aviemore and Perth never had anything anti-English said towards us. The years i have been going out with the other half, i have had nothing negative said to me at all either.

It depends on your status. Tourist centres are of course there to welcome visitors and make money. But if you happen to be the only English kid in a school in one of the isolated areas, it can be very vicious. A friend of mine had a miserable life at school in the 80s and 90s and was bullied/isolated for being English.
 

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Was reading this blog earlier

Which is quite interesting especially this part

And it’s not surprising – there is no way that the groups under the banner of Yes could actually work together; they’re all fighting for fundamentally different things. How can the Greens reconcile themselves with the ‘let’s make Scotland a new Saudi Arabia’ oil barons? How can the radical left reconcile themselves with the pro-capitalist Business for Scotland group? Or the L.G.B.T Yes Youth community find common cause with elderly Calvinist nationalists or with the millionaire SNP donor who backed Clause 28. Instead converts chant the same mantra – YES – to cover all the cracks between their mutual hatred
 

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Will there be penalties after the referendum and Indipendance for smuggling Haggis into England?
 

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From Scottish people. Especially when in groups of three or more having drunk alcohol.
You will still be very welcome here for your holidays and in no danger even from patriotic rough English people.;)
I agree the anti English stuff is bonkers but it is there.

Talk about generalisations.

Your welcome to come to one of the so called roughest parts of Glasgow and explain the danger to my English daughter in law who happens to be a No voter.
I have never heard an anti English statement in Glasgow in my entire life.

Thousands of English people visit Scotland every week and thousands of English people live, work and VOTE here.
If there was all this anti English feeling i doubt that would be the case.
 

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I find these suggestions of English people living in Scotland being bullied or intimidated intriguing (and I speak as someone English who is married to a Scot). When people complain about being teased for their English accent, or jokes made about England, they need to put it in the context of all the Scots living in England who have had to put up with endless 'Och aye' jokes and many other cliched references, and refusals to even try and understand the accent by English people over the years. That isn't to justify any real intimidation, but I do suggest in most cases it isn't really there. What Scots do like is a person who can laugh at themselves-after all, the Scots have had to put up with that plenty themselves over the years-and what some English describe as being bullied seems to me to be no more than the same general teasing that the English do in reverse, but there does seem to be a certain kind of English person who just doesn't get that and seems to take themselves very seriously.

Some English people also seem to fail to differentiate between Scots expressing frustration at what they sometimes see as dominant English culture and attitudes, and how Scots behave towards individual English people, which is with the same degree of welcoming and courtesy as they would for anyone.

The final issue that adds to the problem is the negative attitude/guilt trip about any kind of pride in one's country that many liberal-left English people have, which leads them to fail to understand how one can have a national pride and still be open and welcoming. This has fed into the 'No' campaign by them having very little clue how to play into the pride of being Scottish or making use of the Scottish flag in their campaign. There's a really interesting article about this at: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/s...the-british-left-is-now-a-problem-for-us-all/
 

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Police Scotland have cancelled all leave over fears of violent clashes between Yes and No supporters on Friday, and police officers will be deployed at all 2608 polling places...

Whichever way it goes, I'm expecting all hell to break loose which is only going to divide our country even more than it's already divided.

I think the schools which have any English pupils are going to have trouble on Friday especially if as looks likely it's a No vote.
 
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