Xenophon PCDGS
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Could not help remembering the title of the 1971 James Bond film..."Diamonds are Forever"...
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Salford Central Disruption
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Could not help remembering the title of the 1971 James Bond film..."Diamonds are Forever"...
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Looking at an old OS map, I can't see any flyover. There were 4 lines through the old station, two splitting left at Brindle Heath towards Swinton the other two going right towards Agecroft. These met the current Bolton lines there. The Bolton line had a stop at Pendleton station, across the road from Pendleton Broad Street.
Not sure but as with the M62 disruption because of the roadworks, it seems to have now become a recurring theme every morning on the traffic news on the radio reporting that only limited services can call at Salford Central due to ongoing engineering works. They clearly don't know how ongoing or that engineering works mean missing track!
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In the good old days new rails came from Workington
With respect to snail, we're going back to the 1960's now!
Pendleton Broad St station consisted of two island platforms - the island on the left when leaving Manchester served the lines which then went back under Brindle Heath flyover to Agecroft and Clifton Junction on the way to Bolton. The island on the right served the fast lines to Wigan via Atherton. These rose over the Agecroft lines via the Brindle Heath flyover, on their way to Irlams O' Th' Height.
I travelled this way several times in my youth, and there is actually a photograph including Brindle Heath flyover on p.105 of Bob Pixton's book "Liverpool & Manchester- The Lancashire & Yorkshire Lines" showing the site in 1962, with a stopping train about to pass under the flyover.
I suspect the flyover was closed and demolished shortly afterwards, long before the "old" OS map was published.
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Clearly there is old and there is older! It does seem odd though to operate that way round and have tracks cross, but I had forgotten about the 4-track layout on the Wigan line. When did the Wigan platforms stop being used?
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Clearly there is old and there is older! It does seem odd though to operate that way round and have tracks cross, but I had forgotten about the 4-track layout on the Wigan line. When did the Wigan platforms stop being used?--- old post above --- --- new post below ---
No, that's the one at Windsor Bridge just before Salford Crescent station. The offending crossover is between Victoria and Salford Central.
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And in my case, there's ancient!
Looking again at Pixton's book, I see he includes photos from the 1950s of the stations on the Wigan route, and his photos and a relevant caption reveal that only Pendleton Broad St and Atherton Central had platforms on the fast lines.
The L&Y opened its direct Manchester to Wigan line from Windsor Bridge Junction to Crow Nest Junction in 1888, to avoid congestion in the Bolton area. Presumably having the fast lines where they were, although necessitating the need of the Brindle Heath flyover, meant fewer conflicting movements for traffic from Manchester Victoria at Windsor Bridge and at Dobbs Brow Junction on its way to Hindley & Wigan.
Interestingly, Wikki claims the fast Wigan lines were taken out of use on 21st November 1965, so it could also be then that the Brindle Heath flyover was closed.
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175001
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Going to take a long time yet
No, that's a poster about engineering work on Sundays.
'Inox' is correct - the first post in this thread, and photos posted since, confirms that the plain-lined crossing is at Windsor Bridge South Jn.
familyguy99
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I notice Northernrail have put up latest train service for 14th to 18th January on there website for Salford Central line.
http://www.northernrail.org/news/7193
http://www.northernrail.org/news/7193
Phil6219
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The wording on this is a little misleading though...
To me that reads that the line from Salford Crescent to Bolton is blocked which is also enforced by this one
Which could in the eyes of the general public suggest that while the Bolton line is blocked the trains will still continue by avoiding the blocked line.
I know what they are getting at, just the wording - specifically in the first quote.
Phil
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The wording on this is a little misleading though...
To me that reads that the line from Salford Crescent to Bolton is blocked which is also enforced by this one
Which could in the eyes of the general public suggest that while the Bolton line is blocked the trains will still continue by avoiding the blocked line.
I know what they are getting at, just the wording - specifically in the first quote.
Phil
To me that reads that the line from Salford Crescent to Bolton is blocked which is also enforced by this one
Which could in the eyes of the general public suggest that while the Bolton line is blocked the trains will still continue by avoiding the blocked line.
I know what they are getting at, just the wording - specifically in the first quote.
Phil
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---
The wording on this is a little misleading though...
To me that reads that the line from Salford Crescent to Bolton is blocked which is also enforced by this one
Which could in the eyes of the general public suggest that while the Bolton line is blocked the trains will still continue by avoiding the blocked line.
I know what they are getting at, just the wording - specifically in the first quote.
Phil
175001
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All services will resume to call at central from Monday! Excellent news.
craigwilson
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Could well be. When there was the broken crossover at Buckland Junction near Dover last year, all of the delay was waiting for the new part to be sourced - they actually fit it with a single weekend possession.
Xenophon PCDGS
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What seemed to be a valid reason for some trackwork rationalization between Salford Central staion and Manchester Victoria station at the time this was carried out would not have the same relevance todays with the Ordsall Chord project due to come live in the not too distant future. Will there be any re-thinking of the trackwork operational requirements in this interim period or it is felt that the track layout as existing will be able to cope ?
Just one of my typical "Sunday morning" musings. Anyone with any thoughts on this matter ?
Just one of my typical "Sunday morning" musings. Anyone with any thoughts on this matter ?
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