Remaining class 58s

[SEtrains]

Good evening, does anyone know the statuses of 58016 and 58023 as it has gone rather quiet about the two of them and I was curious as to when I may have the opportunity to ride either of them.

 

[cj_1985]

Good evening, does anyone know the statuses of 58016 and 58023 as it has gone rather quiet about the two of them and I was curious as to when I may have the opportunity to ride either of them.

58023 was active/operational at the SVR back in the spring, and was at the Greatest Gathering. Not sure if it's moved back yet.

 

[sad1e]

Good evening, does anyone know the statuses of 58016 and 58023 as it has gone rather quiet about the two of them and I was curious as to when I may have the opportunity to ride either of them.

58016 is still at Leicester , as it has been since December 2015.

 

[50002Superb]

Pretty sure 58023 is still at Litchurch Lane, it looked like it was from a passing train last Thursday

 

[Richard Scott]

58023 was active/operational at the SVR back in the spring, and was at the Greatest Gathering. Not sure if it's moved back yet.

Heard it's not going back but also don't know where it will be going. A bit unhelpful, sorry!

 

[SEtrains]

Thanks everyone for the responses so far.

 

[DannyMich2018]

As above 58016 still at Leicester. Went past a few week's ago when going Skegness. I'm surprised it's still here and not been moved.

 

[SEtrains]

As above 58016 still at Leicester. Went past a few week's ago when going Skegness. I'm surprised it's still here and not been moved.

It really does seem as though the project has halted…

 

[45115xeTO]

The Facebook page for the Cl58LG seems quite active - apparently 58023 completed its FTR at Litchurch Lane yesterday and ‘is ready for it’s onward move’…

 

[DBS92042]

It really does seem as though the project has halted…

58016 is still being worked on, albeit very slowly as other UKRL work is taking priority in the shed at Leicester (ie the EPR 37s, occasional DCR 60s, GBRF 47s/57s, 37003 & 27059)

 

[SEtrains]

58016 is still being worked on, albeit very slowly as other UKRL work is taking priority in the shed at Leicester (ie the EPR 37s, occasional DCR 60s, GBRF 47s/57s, 37003 & 27059)

Thank you

 

[D365]

58016 is still being worked on, albeit very slowly as other UKRL work is taking priority in the shed at Leicester (ie the EPR 37s, occasional DCR 60s, GBRF 47s/57s, 37003 & 27059)

Indeed, and the Class 58 Preservation Group (58016) did have an active presence at The Greatest Gathering.

 

[Bevan Price]

Does 58050 still exist somewhere in Euope ? As the last loco built at Doncaster, I believe the National Railway Museum once hoped to get it.

 

[87electric]

Does 58050 still exist somewhere in Euope ? As the last loco built at Doncaster, I believe the National Railway Museum once hoped to get it.

Still in Spain along with the other 3. Repatriation is rumoured by the C58LG.

 

[DBS92042]

Yes still about in Spain and there are active efforts to try and repatriate it (along with the few other remaining European 58s).
The efforts, however, aren't being entirely entertained by their owners DB Cargo UK so their future remains uncertain for now

 

[alexl92]

Yes still about in Spain and there are active efforts to try and repatriate it (along with the few other remaining European 58s).
The efforts, however, aren't being entirely entertained by their owners DB Cargo UK so their future remains uncertain for now

Curious as to why DB Cargo would be reluctant given it's been sitting out of service for many years? What could they possibly gain from letting them rot on the continent?

 

[sad1e]

Curious as to why DB Cargo would be reluctant given it's been sitting out of service for many years? What could they possibly gain from letting them rot on the continent?

A Loco they have rotting is A loco that could possibly be making money and stealing contracts from them for a competitor of they sold it on .

Db employ the same logic to keep all of their 60's and most of their 67's stored ,
quite an annoying tactic enthusiast wise but smart business wise .

 

[Peter Mugridge]

A Loco they have rotting is A loco that could possibly be making money and stealing contracts from them for a competitor of they sold it on .

Db employ the same logic to keep all of their 60's and most of their 67's stored ,
quite an annoying tactic enthusiast wise but smart business wise .

It wouldn't be beyond their wit to insert a clause in the sale contract to prevent competitors from having use of the locomotive would it? Just specify it's being sold on the understanding that it is for preservation and heritage purposes only and that any other use would invalidate the sale and stiff penalties would apply?

 

[Spaceship323]

A Loco they have rotting is A loco that could possibly be making money and stealing contracts from them for a competitor of they sold it on .

Db employ the same logic to keep all of their 60's and most of their 67's stored ,
quite an annoying tactic enthusiast wise but smart business wise .

All the DB 60's apart from the last 3 that were in use have appeared on the DB tender list for sale...they may have an unrealistically high reserve, though

DB have sold 60's, 66's, 67's and 90's to competitors, remember

 

[trebor79]

A Loco they have rotting is A loco that could possibly be making money and stealing contracts from them for a competitor of they sold it on .

Db employ the same logic to keep all of their 60's and most of their 67's stored ,
quite an annoying tactic enthusiast wise but smart business wise .

It wouldn't be beyond their wit to insert a clause in the sale contract to prevent competitors from having use of the locomotive would it? Just specify it's being sold on the understanding that it is for preservation and heritage purposes only and that any other use would invalidate the sale and stiff penalties would apply?

Possibly also sitting on the balance sheet at a value that would not be achievable if sold/scrapped. So leaving them avoids a write down.

 

[Wyrleybart]

It wouldn't be beyond their wit to insert a clause in the sale contract to prevent competitors from having use of the locomotive would it? Just specify it's being sold on the understanding that it is for preservation and heritage purposes only and that any other use would invalidate the sale and stiff penalties would apply?

But in reality 58016 has not turned a wheel since it's move from Barrow Hill. would anyone lash out thousands of Euros to transport a demic 58 from Spain to the UK, then spend thousands more (assumng parts were available) when 58016 would probably be an easier bet to restore to use.

The problem I believe is that 58016 is unable to be moved from Leicester because the depot has no road access, and I think 58016 needs axebox UAT before it can nove.

In my opinion 58050 will end up scrapped in Spain, unless some benevolent and fairly rich soul undewrites it. Would there be room for it at 1:1 at Margate ? Could it be shipped on a ro ro ferry to Margate ?

 

[SEtrains]

I must say that it’s gone rather quiet about 012 and 048 as well. The last I heard about 048 was that it started up in 2023 but nothing more. As for 012, I’ve heard nothing about it since it escaped Ron hull in 2016.

 

[150249]

Has 58044 been cut up yet?

 

[Wyrleybart]

I must say that it’s gone rather quiet about 012 and 048 as well. The last I heard about 048 was that it started up in 2023 but nothing more. As for 012, I’ve heard nothing about it since it escaped Ron hull in 2016.

Only a guess but 58023 took a long time to get to the Severn Valley Railway and become a runner. I am guessing that that loco was the focus of the team behind the 58s. Also head a rumour the team were sourcing parts unique to 58s for 58023. It would be good to think that the owner has enough parts to run all his 58s, but that might not be an option.

 

[WirralLine]

would anyone lash out thousands of Euros to transport a demic 58 from Spain to the UK, then spend thousands more (assumng parts were available)

Or to think of it another way (with the mindset of my bus restoration background) - given the rarity, such locos rotting in Spain etc may well be worthwhile for parts. Im not clued up on 58s and what (if any) parts they share with other classes.

The buses I am involved with were very common in the 90s but even once common parts are starting to dry up for them now. Sometimes paying over the odds for a donor vehicle or 2 when they pop up, then stripping them bare for spares pays for itself in the long run.

Obviously the comment above says the 58 in question was the last loco built at Doncaster so has some historical value and would probably be down for restoration, but if youre a group specialising in 58s, its a good bet to try and source any spare 58s as possible and build a couple of good ones out of a few. Not that easy with finances etc, and also not sure how difficult it is to obtain parts generally (or what parts they may already have!) But its certainly another way of looking at it.

 

[simonw]

Possibly also sitting on the balance sheet at a value that would not be achievable if sold/scrapped. So leaving them avoids a write down.

I'm sure the auditors would be interested in the (none existent) justification for not writing them down to scrap value.

 

[87electric]

Has 58044 been cut up yet?

Still in Woippy Yard, Metz as far as I know. Viewable from the D153L road that goes over the yard.

 

[Bertie the bus]

A Loco they have rotting is A loco that could possibly be making money and stealing contracts from them for a competitor of they sold it on .

Db employ the same logic to keep all of their 60's and most of their 67's stored ,
quite an annoying tactic enthusiast wise but smart business wise .

People constantly come out with this but not only is it not supported by evidence but goes against all the available evidence. FOCs are constantly selling or leasing or short-term hiring loco's to competitors. There are too many to list but you only have to look at the current situation of Freightliner and DB hiring loco's to Colas for RHTT work to see that they are often very willing to sell/lease loco's to competitors. The real reason loco's are often left to rot is because nobody wants them.

 

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I must say that it’s gone rather quiet about 012 and 048 as well. The last I heard about 048 was that it started up in 2023 but nothing more. As for 012, I’ve heard nothing about it since it escaped Ron hull in 2016.

Seem to remember hearing they were going to get 58023/58048 operational.

58012 I'm fairly certain was rumoured to be the spares donor loco.

 

[SEtrains]

S

Seem to remember hearing they were going to get 58023/58048 operational.

58012 I'm fairly certain was rumoured to be the spares donor loco.

Thanks, it seems believable that 012 is a donor because they would’ve attempted to start it up but literally nothing has happened.