Railway General Knowledge.

[4SRKT]

Positive. The terminal station was replaced by a through station with a similar name about 100 yards closer to the city centre. You may not be thinking laterally enough.

 

[Ivo]

Oh. I get it. Trust you

York Road

 

[4SRKT]

Correct!

 

[Mvann]

Just what I was thinking. My first thought was either holburn viaduct or Birmingham moor street, or was there a terminal station that was converted to through running.


Beaten to it. Phones on a go slow.

 

[Ivo]

Just what I was thinking. My first thought was either holburn viaduct or Birmingham moor street, or was there a terminal station that was converted to through running.

I had always thought Holborn Viaduct was 1988, but apparently it was 1990? Either way, not 1992.

Next question:

When Metropolitan District Railway services ran through to Southend, they (usually?) ran non-stop along part of the route which was otherwise served by the LTSR/LMS. Under normal circumstances, what were the first/last (depending on direction) stations they called at in each of London and Southend? And with regards to the rolling stock, what now-common feature was first implemented on the coaches used for this service? Bonus points if you can say the years they started and stopped running through to Southend, and also when the Shoeburyness extension began.

 

[steamybrian]

Whilst readers are pondering on Ivo's question-

Can I ask a question..

What is the only section of line engineered and operated by Colonel H.F.Stephens which is now part of the National Rail network carrying passenger services.?
Note- excludes Heritage Railways or freight only lines.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Whilst readers are pondering on Ivo's question-

Can I ask a question..

What is the only section of line engineered and operated by Colonel H.F.Stephens which is now part of the National Rail network carrying passenger services.?
Note- excludes Heritage Railways or freight only lines.

Would this be St Budeaux Junction to Bere Alston?

The line in question I had in mind was the Plymouth, Devonport and South Western Junction Railway, in which Col H.F.Stephens and the Consulting Engineers Galbraith and Church were the prime movers. It was not operated by the LSWR, but as that of an autonomous railway company.

 

[Mvann]

To ivo's question, barking, corrugated anti ride up device on coaches and 1910 to 1939. Don't know about the Southend end.

 

[Ivo]

To ivo's question, barking, corrugated anti ride up device on coaches and 1910 to 1939. Don't know about the Southend end.

Barking is correct, as are the dates (for Southend anyway; Shoeburyness was later). I didn't know about the corrugated what's-it - it is interesting nonetheless - meaning the answer I had hoped for in relation to that is still at large, as is the first station in the Southend area.

 

[Mvann]

I think it was a device that was the equivalent to the cup and cone system that was supposed to be put on the mk1 coaches.
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It was called an anti climber device.

 

[clagmonster]

I'm going to punt for internal door opening aperatus and hope the Met didn't get there first.

 

[Ivo]

Not what I'm after. I would be surprised if that wasn't already in use.

Note the "now-common" note above. Almost all modern stock, or at least almost all heavy rail modern stock, now has this feature.

 

[Mvann]

Some form of buck eye coupling?

 

[clagmonster]

I was hoping it was second hand stock that was revolutionary 20 years earlier.

I'll now go for some form of PA / loudaphone system.

 

[Ivo]

A clue then: A limited number of modern examples of units with this feature (*cough* Voyagers *cough*) are unpopular because of a side-effect of it.

 

[Welshman]

Retention toilets?

 

[clagmonster]

On board toilets?

 

[Ivo]

Welshman is correct - retention toilets.

All we need now is a station name at the eastern end of the route, and if possible a start date for the Shoeburyness extension.

 

[clagmonster]

Was Barking really in London when the service was operating? I would have thought that back then it was officially in Essex (I still think it is in Essex), I would have the last stop in London as something like Whitechapel.

Let's avoid the QI abvious answer alarm and say Westcliff for your Southend station and 1925 for Shoeburyness.

 

[Welshman]

Was the Shoeburyness extension begun in 1884?
I've no idea about the original termnus at the Eastern end. I seem to think at the western end, some LMS trains even went to St Pancras in the rush hour.

 

[steamybrian]

Would this be St Budeaux Junction to Bere Alston?

The line in question I had in mind was the Plymouth, Devonport and South Western Junction Railway, in which Col H.F.Stephens and the Consulting Engineers Galbraith and Church were the prime movers. It was not operated by the LSWR, but as that of an autonomous railway company.

Almost right ! ...but so VERY close that I will give you the answer.

It was indeed the Plymouth,Devonport and South Western Junction Railway but the section of line he engineered was between Bere Alston- Callington (now terminating Gunnislake).

 

[Ivo]

1925 is closer than 1884 (1884 is correct for the LTSR/LMS, but the District must be after 1910 and before 1939).

Was Barking really in London when the service was operating? I would have thought that back then it was officially in Essex (I still think it is in Essex), I would have the last stop in London as something like Whitechapel.

OK, fine. The London Urban Area. It was technically a part of Essex until 1965 (I think), but was well within the urban area long before then.

 

[Mvann]

Barking was the place for change from electric to steam.

 

[clagmonster]

1912?

 

[Ivo]

1912?

One year out. A very good try.

Still need the eastern end of the non-stop section.

 

[D841 Roebuck]

One year out. A very good try.

Still need the eastern end of the non-stop section.

Leigh on Sea?

 

[Ivo]

That's the one.

Seeing as the Shoeburyness part was a bonus, I shall say that it was 1911.

End of question then!

 

[D841 Roebuck]

After learning FAR too much about the demographics of Dull Essex swamp areas, and as the random guesser of "Leigh not on Solent" I will formally declare OPEN HOUSE...

 

[Welshman]

OK - try this:-

On which[now closed] line did trains have to reverse within a mile of starting?

 

[Mvann]

Templecombe?