Rail Symbol 2 (the double arrow logo)

[Irascible]

The phrase "Great Britain" came about in order to distinguish our island from Brittany, which has the same name in some other languages, eg in French "Bretagne" vs "Grande-Bretagne".

I always thought it was just the largest of the British Isles, the one the Romans called Britannia ( and the Celts Albion, which I much prefer anyway ). Brittany is full of Celtic refuges ( "Britons" - Bretons ) from the kingdom of Dumnonia - present Devon & Cornwall - who left when the Saxons arrived.

Rail Britannia!


( please don't take that as a serious suggestion even if it is still better than GBR )

 

[Adam Williams]

I signed up on the brand portal to try and get a copy of the assets so that we could display the new logo alongside National Rail services, as it is intended to be used.

But seemingly nobody is actually allowed to get these assets unless they're working closely with someone at Network Rail; even retailers; and my application was rejected

Sent a FoIA instead

 

[styles]

I particularly like two elements of the design manual:

1. The specifications for flags on page 18.
2. Disallowed usage examples U/V/W/X on page 21.

 

[pdeaves]

National Rail Enquiries are also in breach.

The example image with things crossed out implies no revival of the old Parcels sector!

(No, I wasn't seriously expecting it).

 

[Mike Machin]

Thinking back to the launch of the BR corporate livery and the launch of the XP64 stock I think the expected standard application of the logo was white logo on red background typically needing a red coloured patch to "host" this. That soon fell by the wayside, might a similar pattern follow now?

That’s absolutely right, at least one class 47 was turned-out with the logo positioned within the required red rectangle beneath the cab side windows when the new identity was presented in 1964.
By the following year or 1966 when the new blue livery began to appear on further locomotives, the red rectangle was dropped.

 

[aavm]

I signed up on the brand portal to try and get a copy of the assets so that we could display the new logo alongside National Rail services, as it is intended to be used.

But seemingly nobody is actually allowed to get these assets unless they're working closely with someone at Network Rail; even retailers; and my application was rejected

Sent a FoIA instead

Me too. Their media team directed me to GBRTT who own it (but don't use it on their home page logo)

 

[Adam Williams]

Last I checked, GBRTT  was Network Rail, so I don't see how directing you to them was at all helpful. Any copyright "owned by GBRTT" is Network Rail's.

 

[modernrail]

1. The document's only just been released, the brief for the website will not have been able to feature it and 2. I can't see anything in the document that says other entities are obligated to follow it. Network Rail and National Rail are completely separate organisations.

Oh come on, I think people can reasonably expect the main web portal of the whole system to follow the same guidelines at NR! Unless an actual parody of the fragmented nature of the system of course.

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1. Transport for Britain is not inclusive of Northern Ireland, depending on who you ask.
2. Rail in Northern Ireland is devolved and the new GBR will have no direct contact or interaction with it, so why would you want to have a name inclusive of it?

Not on who you ask, just as a fact. The United Kingdom is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The correct answer is on every UK passport and hardly anybody in this country realises that. I don’t say it out of arrogance, I didn’t!

It is a real shame the word ‘Great’ ever made it infront of the work ‘Britain’. It has provided generations of politicians with utterly cringe speech writing material backed by fake exasperation whenever anybody questions whether their substandard policy is truly delivering true greatness.

In contrast, being United is a concept that doesn’t seem to have made it into any speeches or railway branding.

 

[12LDA28C]

That’s absolutely right, at least one class 47 was turned-out with the logo positioned within the required red rectangle beneath the cab side windows when the new identity was presented in 1964.
By the following year or 1966 when the new blue livery began to appear on further locomotives, the red rectangle was dropped.

It was only one Class 47, D1733 (still active on the main line as 47853).