plymothian
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Depends if the TMS is playing ball to reopen the doors, else they'll have to in the extereme egress every door.
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Potential weather disruption Tuesday 7th onwards - Storm Barra
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Requeststop
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How exciting and being able to watch it all on cam too.
43172
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One door open at very front of the train,. Will give you a wave when i can get off (will use my umbrella to stick out) for those watching the dawlish feed
plymothian
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Yep, the unit following it that disappeared was sent back to Teignmouth.
Peterthegreat
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Where it can't go anywhere......
43172
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Only the front cab door was opened, a fair number of us got off, and have bailed for a bus to Exeter than wait for a RRB to arrive
Requeststop
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Earlier, (about 9:30) I saw both the up and down lines being used for services between Exeter and Newton Abbott. Given that the tide is now going out, couldn't GWR run a couple of services to Exeter and then a couple back to Newton Abbott and have used one of those services to pick up the stranded passengers on the waiting service at Dawlish? Seems simple to me. Surely not too difficult to arrange for GWR?
Peterthegreat
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Both up and down lines are blocked by failed trains.
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When I look at Traksy I see that 1C70, the 07:04 Paddington to Paignton, has been at a stand somewhere between Teignmouth and Newton Abbott for quite some time now. Has this one failed as well?
Peterthegreat
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Yes as indicated upstream.
irish_rail
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IF special mode has been used then I suspect we are going to see the end of the 80xs in this neck of the woods in the next few years.
Question is what will we get instead? Just hopefully nothing stadler esq.
Of course the other way round it is the diversionary route, but I can't see the money for that ever being found whilst the country has to find the money somewhere down the back of the sofa for hs2 etc....
Question is what will we get instead? Just hopefully nothing stadler esq.
Of course the other way round it is the diversionary route, but I can't see the money for that ever being found whilst the country has to find the money somewhere down the back of the sofa for hs2 etc....
Bletchleyite
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No EMU or DEMU can really deal with having a load of conductive salt water chucked over it. The real answer is the inland route, though costly.
Elecman
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The ones in Scotland seem to manage most of the time
plymothian
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GWR website states ticket acceptance on local buses, @gwrhelp twitter and bus drivers say no acceptance.
Wonder if anyone will dare use the much touted " Resilience" word in the coming days !! Farcical goings on as we speak , nothing unusual with todays storm , thousands of man hours making the 800's sea-spray proof by design.....for nothing, same old same old , weather still wins 
How many times since they were introduced have the 80X fleet gone along Dawlish when waves have been coming over on to the top of the trains and they have Continued ok? Just curiousWonder if anyone will dare use the much touted " Resilience" word in the coming days !! Farcical goings on as we speak , nothing unusual with todays storm , thousands of man hours making the 800's sea-spray proof by design.....for nothing, same old same old , weather still wins
And perhaps the other real answer would not have been to have sold or marketed these as “Dawlish Proof”. It’s a pretty poor state of affairs that the issue, which is related to salt water coming into contact with the roof mounted electrical systems, has been known about for a while with the only fixes so far being to the TMS. I do wonder who made the decision after the first set had been disabled by the sea, to consider sending a second (and since failed) set to rescue it!
What is "Special mode?"
How about maintaining a fleet of weatherproof locos in the westcountry to be attached to these trains for winter use?
plymothian
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1C70 (down failed train) now moved to Newton Abbot.
2 out of 3 engines needed to move 1A77 have now been restarted.
2 out of 3 engines needed to move 1A77 have now been restarted.
Peterthegreat
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Under it's own steam (diesel)?
plymothian
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Yes.
1Z99 has restarted under its own steam and moving back to Exeter.
1A77 needs 1 more engine to restart to move under its own steam.
Nicholas Lewis
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The weather wins because they were either poorly specified in the first place or weren't adequately designed for this situation and ultimately the testing of them was inadequate to demonstrate compliance. Of course GWR just hide behind the automated announcements "due to todays wet weather conditions". These are the most expensive trains in the UK to lease yet they aren't fit for purpose but no politician will ever call the real issue out so its just allowed to perpetuate and they will hide behind the fact its Storm Barra.Wonder if anyone will dare use the much touted " Resilience" word in the coming days !! Farcical goings on as we speak , nothing unusual with todays storm , thousands of man hours making the 800's sea-spray proof by design.....for nothing, same old same old , weather still wins
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Not really. Diesel-electrics up to and including the HST haven’t had a problem. I suspect the answer might be to terminate at Exeter and Plymouth with a 15x/16x/HST shuttle between them.
Can take sometime to filter through, and do Stageocach SW have radios in the cab? Or the ability to receive messages through the ticket machine?
Depends on how Hitachi interpreted this line in the Train Technical Specification I suspect:
So the specification drawn up by the DfT clearly had Dawlish in mind but what is "spray" and does what we've seen today (and on the other occasions this has been an issue) count as "spray" or not? Plenty of blame to go around I suspect but at least someone had the thought that best specify something to include provision for salt water exposure I guess.
Why would a politician ever call out the real issues? If they did that then it might raise uncomfortable questions about who specified these trains, who agreed the operational contracts with Agility Trains, who decided on the funding arrangements, etc etc. The answers to those questions could be very embarrassing for those same politicians. Far easier to keep shtum and let GWR take the flak.
Nicholas Lewis
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OK so it was specified so as you say how did Hitachi design a solution to it and it how was the engineering design validated, and by whom, how did they prove it in testing. Questions that will never get answered I know.
You are correct of course but we now have a culture of denial and lack of accountability for many facets of our lives today, not just the railways, which allows mediocrity to be perpetuated. At best we will get the stuck record of lessons will be learnt but they never are.
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... a Castle or Britannia would probably be just fine!
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