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nedchester

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This video was posted yesterday and makes my blood boil - basically the police pulling up a guy apparently walking to work. The man who gets arrested is well within his rights not to give details. This reminds me of some of the shadier police forces I've come across in some of my dicier travels; it's absolutely horrible to see what is happening here in the UK.

Obviously the attitude test was failed, but to be honest I think I would have made the same point, and I've always maintained a high degree of respect for the police. We do not live in a "papers please" state.

A difficult one this. The lad was videoing which although not an offence makes me wonder what was going on prior to the beginning of the film. However, the policeman calls him and idiot which doesn't help matters. As for the 'attitude' test I'm not sure that has been failed unlike, for example, Merseyrail mask man from September who was swearing at the officer (and it turned out already had form)
 
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No, we live in a 'Stick to the rules to save lives, but nobody should be challenged so if you don't like the rules just ignore them' society.

With many of these 'rules' actually being guidance but randomly treated by some police as if they were law.

And where many of these 'rules' actually do nothing at all to 'save lives' and are just theatre to demonstrate that the government is responding to those who shout 'something must be done'.
 

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Stick to the rules to save lives
Ah that old chestnut making an appearance again. The virus doesn't respect any rules we put in place, and any restrictions such as masks/needing a reason to leave your house/'substantial meal' make precious little difference to transmission.
 

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No, we live in a 'Stick to the rules to save lives, but nobody should be challenged so if you don't like the rules just ignore them' society.

If he was with a group of people drinking in the street together, then maybe there would be reason to investigate.

But he was on his own (it seems), not near anybody, not risking infection. The police can only ask details if there is a specific legal reason, which they don't state.
 

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We are living in an authoritarian police state.

This needs to end NOW.

Does anyone on this forum admit to supporting this authoritarianism?
 

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No, we live in a 'Stick to the rules to save lives, but nobody should be challenged so if you don't like the rules just ignore them' society.
Your application to be a Covid Marshall has been accepted
 

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This video was posted yesterday and makes my blood boil - basically the police pulling up a guy apparently walking to work. The man who gets arrested is well within his rights not to give details. This reminds me of some of the shadier police forces I've come across in some of my dicier travels; it's absolutely horrible to see what is happening here in the UK.

Obviously the attitude test was failed, but to be honest I think I would have made the same point, and I've always maintained a high degree of respect for the police. We do not live in a "papers please" state.

At one point the copper calls him an idiot. Nice! It's ironic that the emphasis is on keeping distance and avoiding unnecessary interactions but the Police did the opposite here.
 

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Claim past attendance at Oxford or Cambridge universities and that you have a degree in behavioural science
No evidence needs to be provided of the veracity of this claim. The onus is on us to prove that you didn’t
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At one point the copper calls him an idiot. Nice! It's ironic that the emphasis is on keeping distance and avoiding unnecessary interactions but the Police did the opposite here.

Indeed.... Also note how much the officer touched his mask before manhandling the "suspect". He's basically created an unnecessary contact incident there (or whatever the powers that be want to call it).
 

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In support of your application for the Senior Covid Marshall position, you must:-
Claim past attendance at Oxford or Cambridge universities and that you have a degree in behavioural science
No evidence needs to be provided of the veracity of this claim. The onus is on us to prove that you didn’t
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And in line with some people demanding medical proof of mask exemptions (which doctors won't provide), there is a new rule that anyone needing to prove that someone hasn't got an Oxford/Cambridge degree is not allowed to ask the universities.
 

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Perhaps he could have said he is on his way to Bethnal Green Police Station in order to get his hair cut, or going to a cafe in Greenwich for a fry up breakfast. <D

Apparently that is acceptable, just like going to Specsavers in Barnard Castle to get your eyes tested.


Thirty-one Met Police officers who broke coronavirus rules to get haircuts are facing £200 fines.
Two officers who hired a barber to give the cuts to staff at Bethnal Green Police Station, on 17 January, are also facing misconduct investigations, the Met said.
Under current lockdown restrictions in England, barbers and hairdressers are not allowed to work.
Det Ch Supt Marcus Barnett said he was "deeply disappointed" in the officers.
"Although officers donated money to charity as part of the haircut, this does not excuse them from what was a very poor decision," he said. "I expect a lot more of them.
"Quite rightly, the public expect police to be role models in following the regulations, which are designed to prevent the spread of this deadly virus."
The investigation comes after fines were handed out to nine officers who were caught eating breakfast together in a Greenwich café.
All those officers were issued with a £200 fixed penalty notice.
 

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Perhaps he could have said he is on his way to Bethnal Green Police Station in order to get his hair cut, or going to a cafe in Greenwich for a fry up breakfast. <D

Apparently that is acceptable, just like going to Specsavers in Barnard Castle to get your eyes tested.

The Met were legally wrong to issue their officers with FPNs here - barbers and hairdressers cannot open their shops to the public, but like any other tradesperson (e.g. plumbers) they are permitted to do work and provide services anywhere that can legally remain open (e.g. homes or workplaces).

Of course it is still rank hypocrisy for the police to be doing something that clearly 'breaks the spirit' :lol: of the Regulations, but they should be setting an example in the correct enforcement of the Regulations. They should state that they won't be issuing FPNs, and explain why not (there hasn't been a breach of the law). That doesn't preclude them from disciplining the officers for bringing the force into disrepute.
 

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Perhaps he could have said he is on his way to Bethnal Green Police Station in order to get his hair cut, or going to a cafe in Greenwich for a fry up breakfast. <D

Apparently that is acceptable, just like going to Specsavers in Barnard Castle to get your eyes tested.

I hope each one of them took a good look in the mirror after this....................
 

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The Met were legally wrong to issue their officers with FPNs here - barbers and hairdressers cannot open their shops to the public, but like any other tradesperson (e.g. plumbers) they are permitted to do work and provide services anywhere that can legally remain open (e.g. homes or workplaces).

Of course it is still rank hypocrisy for the police to be doing something that clearly 'breaks the spirit' :lol: of the Regulations, but they should be setting an example in the correct enforcement of the Regulations. They should state that they won't be issuing FPNs, and explain why not (there hasn't been a breach of the law). That doesn't preclude them from disciplining the officers for bringing the force into disrepute.

I think this is the problem with the difference between what is the law and guidance, and the authorities pretending that guidance is the law when it suits them.

I am pretty sure if my local church (which can also legally remain open) was to invite a barber to come and offer a haircutting session the police would be down on it like a ton of bricks.

If the government and the police want us plebs to follow the rules they should set a good example.
 

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The Met were legally wrong to issue their officers with FPNs here - barbers and hairdressers cannot open their shops to the public, but like any other tradesperson (e.g. plumbers) they are permitted to do work and provide services anywhere that can legally remain open (e.g. homes or workplaces).

Of course it is still rank hypocrisy for the police to be doing something that clearly 'breaks the spirit' :lol: of the Regulations, but they should be setting an example in the correct enforcement of the Regulations. They should state that they won't be issuing FPNs, and explain why not (there hasn't been a breach of the law). That doesn't preclude them from disciplining the officers for bringing the force into disrepute.
If more than one officer was present together at a time then it would have been a breach of the gathering rules, but otherwise I agree.
 

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And a permanent wave goodbye to their career...

You reckon?

I'm not convinced that it won't just be brushed under the carpet, unless there are any committed locktivists higher up in the direct chain of command.
 

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You reckon?

I'm not convinced that it won't just be brushed under the carpet, unless there are any committed locktivists higher up in the direct chain of command.
The most they’re likely to get is a stern “don’t do it again” letter put on their file.
 

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This video was posted yesterday and makes my blood boil - basically the police pulling up a guy apparently walking to work. The man who gets arrested is well within his rights not to give details. This reminds me of some of the shadier police forces I've come across in some of my dicier travels; it's absolutely horrible to see what is happening here in the UK.

Obviously the attitude test was failed, but to be honest I think I would have made the same point, and I've always maintained a high degree of respect for the police. We do not live in a "papers please" state.


Bored copper, probably with a target for stops that morning. No doubt while dealing with the individual down the station, he was able to have a cup of tea and a chat in the mess room.
 

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This video was posted yesterday and makes my blood boil - basically the police pulling up a guy apparently walking to work. The man who gets arrested is well within his rights not to give details. This reminds me of some of the shadier police forces I've come across in some of my dicier travels; it's absolutely horrible to see what is happening here in the UK.

Obviously the attitude test was failed, but to be honest I think I would have made the same point, and I've always maintained a high degree of respect for the police. We do not live in a "papers please" state.

I caught that recently and was going to make a thread on it. They never appear to have detained him, so had no right to ask for his details. If this person wants to, he could very much give WMP a nice little day out in court.
No, we live in a 'Stick to the rules to save lives, but nobody should be challenged so if you don't like the rules just ignore them' society.
They never said what law he was supposedly breaking. It's pretty clear that they were just harassing this guy for no good reason.
At one point the copper calls him an idiot. Nice! It's ironic that the emphasis is on keeping distance and avoiding unnecessary interactions but the Police did the opposite here.
This is the funniest part of the video. The police officer accuses the man of breaking lockdown laws (guidelines) but then proceeds to break said laws (guidelines).
 

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Police in Manchester seem very eager to be checking the Glossop trains. Every time I’ve travelled in the afternoon peak there’s been several police either blocking the platform or travelling and questioning.

Tonight there were a good six police and a few travel safe officers on the train.
 

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Police in Manchester seem very eager to be checking the Glossop trains. Every time I’ve travelled in the afternoon peak there’s been several police either blocking the platform or travelling and questioning.

Tonight there were a good six police and a few travel safe officers on the train.
That sounds like they are targeting something more to be fair..
 
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