Police checking travel

[yorkie]

Yes agreed. My guess would be Hattersley , Flowery Fields and one or two other places on the route may have a drugs problem.

 

[_toommm_]

Yes agreed. My guess would be Hattersley , Flowery Fields and one or two other places on the route may have a drugs problem.

Ironically stepping off the train there was a funky cigarette and the strong stench of one on the stairs of Flowery Field. It’s as if the name of the station somehow doesn’t fit...

 

[geoffk]

Now this ​

Police stop over 60 drivers on one Leeds road and ask them to prove their journeys are essential​

Police stop 60 cars on one Leeds road to sniff out Covid rule breakers

Fines were issued after an operation in Calverley

www.leeds-live.co.uk

 

[DB]

Now this ​

Police stop over 60 drivers on one Leeds road and ask them to prove their journeys are essential​

Police stop 60 cars on one Leeds road to sniff out Covid rule breakers

Fines were issued after an operation in Calverley

www.leeds-live.co.uk

Stopped 60 cars and issued two fines.

So most people had a good reason then. What a waste of time, and not likely to improve the reputation of the police.

 

[greyman42]

This video was posted yesterday and makes my blood boil - basically the police pulling up a guy apparently walking to work. The man who gets arrested is well within his rights not to give details. This reminds me of some of the shadier police forces I've come across in some of my dicier travels; it's absolutely horrible to see what is happening here in the UK.

Obviously the attitude test was failed, but to be honest I think I would have made the same point, and I've always maintained a high degree of respect for the police. We do not live in a "papers please" state.

https://twitter.com/C1Haywood/status/1354417928007987205?s=19

I don't think he failed the "attitude test" and was there any need for the policeman to get so aggressive?

 

[LOL The Irony]

I don't think he failed the "attitude test" and was there any need for the policeman to get so aggressive?

Indeed. If sticking up for your rights fails the attitude test, then what? In this case, the police failed to do their job by not detaining the guy before asking for his name.

 

[MikeWM]

I don't think he failed the "attitude test" and was there any need for the policeman to get so aggressive?

Maybe I've misunderstood the 'attitude test'. I thought it related your attitude when you'd been caught doing something wrong (eg. travelling on a train without a ticket). Under such circumstances, it does seem a bad idea to get indignant or verbal.

Being annoyed at being stopped by the police and accused of things and/or have the police make law up on the spot, *when you've not done anything wrong*, seems a rather different matter. It still may be unwise to do anything that may escalate the situation, but it seems rather natural and reasonable to be irritated in such cases.

 

[kristiang85]

Finally a sensible response from West Midlands police:

#SORRY | We’ve reviewed video footage of one of our officers challenging a man near #Dorridge train station, #Solihull yesterday morning. It’s clear that the officer’s conduct fell far below what we would expect.

His manner was not acceptable, not the face of
@wmpolice
, and we will deal with the situation. The officer has accepted his behaviour was not up to our high standards and we will address this as part of an action plan for his learning and development.

The officer was with a colleague on patrol & part of their duties was ensuring people are adhering to CoVID restrictions. The man explained he was heading to work – that’s clearly a justifiable reason to be out and about and there was no suspicion he had committed any offences.

As such, he should not have been challenged in the way he was.

 

[greyman42]

Finally a sensible response from West Midlands police:

Good to see a police force quickly holding up its hands and saying they were wrong. Derbyshire police could learn a lot from that.

 

[221129]

Good to see a police force quickly holding up its hands and saying they were wrong. Derbyshire police could learn a lot from that.

It's taken them long enough! They normally follow the Derbyshire method.

 

[Mojo]

Why do most of these cases involve the same police forces? It seems that West Midlands are regularly cropping up in these videos.

 

[Ediswan]

By comparison, Hertfordshire police seem to be sticking to the egregious cases.

I have been for a few walks round Fairlands Valley Park in Stevenage recently. No police in sight. Not in the car parks. Not in the park itself. The only council staff in evidence are emptying bins. Plus one possibly very bored person sat behind a desk managing the minimal demand for the public toilets.

 

[roversfan2001]

Why do most of these cases involve the same police forces? It seems that West Midlands are regularly cropping up in these videos.

Given the way they’ve treat football fans for decades, it comes as absolutely no surprise.

 

[Jamesrob637]

By comparison, Hertfordshire police seem to be sticking to the egregious cases.

I have been for a few walks round Fairlands Valley Park in Stevenage recently. No police in sight. Not in the car parks. Not in the park itself. The only council staff in evidence are emptying bins. Plus one possibly very bored person sat behind a desk managing the minimal demand for the public toilets.

Good - Herts always appealed to me as a place anyway. It's produced some big names over time.

 

[VauxhallandI]

Good - Herts always appealed to me as a place anyway. It's produced some big names over time.

No sign of the Police in Cheshunt or the Lea Valley Park, that said due to the train line and the Essex border they would have to be going right out of their way to stalk the pathways around the lakes

 

[Merseysider]

Why do most of these cases involve the same police forces? It seems that West Midlands are regularly cropping up in these videos.

It’s interesting.

I travel between Liverpool/Manchester and Birmingham for work.

Not once this month in about 10 return journeys have I seen police officers at New Street nor Piccadilly, and the one time I spotted them at Lime Street they were a group of 8 all having a chat!

 

[johnnychips]

If you haven’t seen this, and it has been shown above, this is terrible. I know a lot of police officers, and I am sad they could be tarred with the same brush as these:

https://twitter.com/C1Haywood/status/1354417928007987205?s=19

I still can’t believe what I am watching.

 

[Skimpot flyer]

Police in Manchester seem very eager to be checking the Glossop trains. Every time I’ve travelled in the afternoon peak there’s been several police either blocking the platform or travelling and questioning.

Tonight there were a good six police and a few travel safe officers on the train.

It’s a Gloss Op

Painting the town blue...

 

[bramling]

This video was posted yesterday and makes my blood boil - basically the police pulling up a guy apparently walking to work. The man who gets arrested is well within his rights not to give details. This reminds me of some of the shadier police forces I've come across in some of my dicier travels; it's absolutely horrible to see what is happening here in the UK.

Obviously the attitude test was failed, but to be honest I think I would have made the same point, and I've always maintained a high degree of respect for the police. We do not live in a "papers please" state.

https://twitter.com/C1Haywood/status/1354417928007987205?s=19

Obviously w have the usual issue of not having seen how the exchange started. However I completely agree that on the face of it this is highly unacceptable.

I’ve always attempted to defend the police through this saga because I realise Boris and company have dumped an almost impossible task on them, and as an institution they’re stuck in the middle. However it’s not going to take too many more of these videos for me to completely change my view.

Like one of the videos we saw, there’s signs of the officers goading the male. They then completely breached social distancing. Were the male to catch COVID one wonders if he might have a case against the officer concerned if it could be shown to trace back to him.

 

[jtuk]

Given the way they’ve treat football fans for decades, it comes as absolutely no surprise.

Yep, the lack of overtime scams that they can pull as a result of matches "needing" police must be really hurting them round about now

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I’ve always attempted to defend the police through this saga because I realise Boris and company have dumped an almost impossible task on them

Simply making an operational decision to prioritise investigation of other "crime" is not an impossible task.

 

[nedchester]

Son stopped on the way to work at Chester station this morning and asked the purpose of travel........

 

[Skimpot flyer]

People seriously now, more than ever, need to know their rights in such situations

Police powers to stop and search: your rights

The police can stop and question you at any time - they can search you depending on the situation.

www.gov.uk

Stop and question: police powers​

A police officer might stop you and ask:

• what your name is
• what you’re doing in the area
• where you’re going

You don’t have to stop or answer any questions. If you don’t and there’s no other reason to suspect you, then this alone can’t be used as a reason to search or arrest you.

 

[island]

Whilst you remain entitled to say “going about my lawful business, Constable” if asked what you are doing out of your home, if you do not specify your purpose you run the risk of being directed to return home pursuant to regulation 9 (2A) of SI 2020/1374, at which point you will if you fail to comply with the direction:

1. committing an offence (regulation 10 (1) (b))
2. giving the constable an actual reason to request your name and address for the issue of a fixed penalty notice (regulation 11), and
3. risking arrest if you do not give those details, or the constable suspects them to be false (section 110 Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005).

In the long run, nothing may come of any of this, but it creates hassle and red tape and wastes time. The police know this (they jokingly refer to section 69 of the Ways and Means Act). And individuals very rarely come out with anything other than a bruised ego.

 

[RT4038]

Ah that old chestnut making an appearance again. The virus doesn't respect any rules we put in place, and any restrictions such as masks/needing a reason to leave your house/'substantial meal' make precious little difference to transmission.

Whether you agree with the reasoning or efficacy behind the rules is not relevant. There are plenty of rules that I don't like and/or agree with their purpose. However, as a member of society I have to abide by them, and expect to be challenged when I am not.

 

[roversfan2001]

Whether you agree with the reasoning or efficacy behind the rules is not relevant. There are plenty of rules that I don't like and/or agree with their purpose. However, as a member of society I have to abide by them, and expect to be challenged when I am not.

So when you said "stick to the rules to save lives", you meant "stick to the rules because we're told to" then? When the point of severe limits on society is to supposedly 'save lives', the reasoning and efficacy is entirely relevant.

 

[Bantamzen]

Whether you agree with the reasoning or efficacy behind the rules is not relevant. There are plenty of rules that I don't like and/or agree with their purpose. However, as a member of society I have to abide by them, and expect to be challenged when I am not.

And if you are sticking to the rules but still being challenged?

 

[DB]

And if you are sticking to the rules but still being challenged?

It does seem from the various reports that being a young bloke also considerably increases the chances of being challenged - not that the police are likely to admit to targeting particular demographics.

 

[RT4038]

So when you said "stick to the rules to save lives", you meant "stick to the rules because we're told to" then? When the point of severe limits on society is to supposedly 'save lives', the reasoning and efficacy is entirely relevant.

Then the place to challenge them is the political route, not by disobedience. The reasoning and efficacy is an opinion, which may or may not be shared by others.

 

[DB]

Then the place to challenge them is the political route, not by disobedience. The reasoning and efficacy is an opinion, which may or may not be shared by others.

It's not really just an opinion - there is a complete lack of any scientific justification for many of these 'rules'.

 

[RT4038]

It's not really just an opinion - there is a complete lack of any scientific justification for many of these 'rules'.

It is still an opinion.