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I've sat in First class in a variety of attires, dressed up to the nines, to jeans and a t-shirt - and in a First class lounge in my full outdoor surveying outfit designed to not be approached and staying warm when spending several hours at bus stops.

I think it's polite to be clean and not smell unpleasantly but otherwise anything that's acceptable on the street should be fine.

Agree, no special dress code is exists, nor is one required, but one should be reasonably clean and dressed acceptably for say a visit to a high street shop or pub.
I wouldn't even go as far as that. Whilst when I've used first class its been for work trips so I've been in a suit, if I happened to be travelling first class for personal reasons, I wouldn't think about wearing anything other than just what I happened to be wearing that day. I find the comments of the couple mentioned above rather bizarre.
 
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My my, what a dim view you have of the great unwashed. Your view of what entitlement you have as a first class passenger seems somewhat skewed too.

Does the first class ticket entitle you to alight from the train uninhibited? No.

Does it even entitle you to be free from luggage or baby carriages? No.

Does it entitle him to occupy areas of the train reserved only for holders of First Class tickets? Yes.

No First Class ticket? Don't stand in the First Class vestibule or corridors then.
 

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IKEA won't allow anybody to fly business class, I believe...
 

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I'm not one for snobbery but I think if you have paid a bit more for first class then part of the benefit is getting off quicker at the London end, if the vestibule is full of people who have walked through then you loose that benefit. I say that as someone who 99.99% of the time travels standard class.
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I wouldn't even go as far as that. Whilst when I've used first class its been for work trips so I've been in a suit, if I happened to be travelling first class for personal reasons, I wouldn't think about wearing anything other than just what I happened to be wearing that day. I find the comments of the couple mentioned above rather bizarre.

I totally agree with what you said about that being bizarre. My brother recently got stick off some guy who saw how he was dressed and gave him down the banks telling him he was in first class. My brother just checked his ticket and said to the guy "I'm in the right place then".
 

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Little anecdote - years ago when I lived in Wimbledon - an 8xVEP off the Cobham line , stopped in the platform (despite the drivers best efforts to keep moving), so I hopped into a 1st class compartment and took the last available seat. I was around 25 and had a Southern region all stations pass - perfectly valid. 4 "Financial Times" readers frowned and one said " you do not belong here". Noting the guard was close by in his van - I nipped out to see him and re-took the seat.Sunny guard appeared with a flourish and asked for "all tickets please" - he acknowledged me with a "thank you guv" - and proceeded to excess 3 of the 4 "FT"'s including the one who made the comment - about £8 each. Hopped off at Waterloo with a beaming "some of us do belong here you know" ....
 

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I have travelled many times in First Class at minimal cost with various modes of dress from "Formal" to "Scruffy" and never had any problems.

However I choose to use off peak services in order to get a "4" to myself, and indeed sometimes a carriage. :p
 

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If the announcement or any statement, notice or message starts with the word "Please" - then it's an informal request and can be swiftly ignored.
 

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I have travelled many times in First Class at minimal cost with various modes of dress from "Formal" to "Scruffy" and never had any problems.

However I choose to use off peak services in order to get a "4" to myself, and indeed sometimes a carriage. :p

Meh, I've had the whole of First Class to myself once on Virgin from Euston to Rugby (the 0603 ex-EUS) :p
 

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Oh you wag, you have just put that in to stir people up. Please be sensible.

Ha ha. I normally use please in a work situation when I mean "I am right and you are wrong. Now F Off before I do what I can do". It sounds more business like.
 

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Little anecdote - years ago when I lived in Wimbledon - an 8xVEP off the Cobham line , stopped in the platform (despite the drivers best efforts to keep moving), so I hopped into a 1st class compartment and took the last available seat. I was around 25 and had a Southern region all stations pass - perfectly valid. 4 "Financial Times" readers frowned and one said " you do not belong here". Noting the guard was close by in his van - I nipped out to see him and re-took the seat.Sunny guard appeared with a flourish and asked for "all tickets please" - he acknowledged me with a "thank you guv" - and proceeded to excess 3 of the 4 "FT"'s including the one who made the comment - about £8 each. Hopped off at Waterloo with a beaming "some of us do belong here you know" ....

Priceless. You get the thread prize. How depressing has been this saga which like a lunatic I have read right through.

I admit i am an ex-pat (young one though, you know, 60s baby boomer type) and returning to one's country is apt to depress one immensely.
 

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Does it entitle him to occupy areas of the train reserved only for holders of First Class tickets? Yes.

No First Class ticket? Don't stand in the First Class vestibule or corridors then.

It doesn't entitle him to much more than that, not even a seat, unless he has reserved a seat beforehand. As I'm sure you aware the vestibules and isles of EC MK3/Mk4s are lined with platinum and gold, the toilet paper consists of £50 notes and the FC attendants serve caviar and truffles.

That point you evidently missed in your selective quote was that the ticket does not entitle him to much in reality. This notion that it entitles you to certain other perks is truly diatribe. Everything else is discretion.
 

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It doesn't entitle him to much more than that, not even a seat, unless he has reserved a seat beforehand. As I'm sure you aware the vestibules and isles of EC MK3/Mk4s are lined with platinum and gold, the toilet paper consists of £50 notes and the FC attendants serve caviar and truffles.

That point you evidently missed in your selective quote was that the ticket does not entitle him to much in reality. This notion that it entitles you to certain other perks is truly diatribe. Everything else is discretion.

Do you disagree that a First Class coach is only for holders of a valid First Class ticket?
 

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"There are seats available in Standard Class carriages. If you are travelling in any portion of the train to the front of the Express Cafe counter, including the doorways and vestibules, and you have a Standard Class ticket, please have your wallet ready to pay your First Class upgrade" <D
 
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Do you disagree that a First Class coach is only for holders of a valid First Class ticket?

I think there is some room for confusion. If you are used to long haul flight you will often find yourself walking through at least business class and premium plus (Less so first class) to get to the y class at the back, and this will normally be while the business class passengers are getting tucked in as they get let on early on in the boarding process. I don't do it myself on a train but I can see why standard class passengers might think it alright to walk through first on a train, especially with the huge usage of multiple units where first class is stuck in the middle of the train or at least not at one end.
 

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Walking through to access another part of the train is one thing, standing in a doorway reading a laptop set up on the luggage rack, or sitting on the floor of the carriage with a flask of coffee and a newspaper is another.
 

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I was once shouted at by a BR employee for boarding a train via a first class vestibule - which was rether odd, as he had not seen my ticket, and had no way of knowing if I was travelling first or second class.
 

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Walking through to access another part of the train is one thing, standing in a doorway reading a laptop set up on the luggage rack, or sitting on the floor of the carriage with a flask of coffee and a newspaper is another.

What you say seems fair enough to me.If you paid standard class then that is where you should be.
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I was once shouted at by a BR employee for boarding a train via a first class vestibule - which was rether odd, as he had not seen my ticket, and had no way of knowing if I was travelling first or second class.

That possibly sounds like some kind of snobbery on the part of the staff. I am used to it given the fact I am a scruffy metal head, not that I like it. By the way, I'm not saying you are a scruff like me. Until they bring a dress code in though they can damn well apologise.
 

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As regards the original point does it not occur to anybody that the train crew need to perhaps get the train ready for the outbound journey. Loads of people streaming through the kitchen area could hinder them.
 

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I was once shouted at by a BR employee for boarding a train via a first class vestibule - which was rether odd, as he had not seen my ticket, and had no way of knowing if I was travelling first or second class.

It's a skill we develop <D

I once had a chap start to have a right go at me for saying to him " Standard Class to the right" as he boarded. He was standing at the buffet, and shouting at me, so I told him to show me his ticket, and then interrupted his rant to say "I'm very good at my job, I knew you were not First Class" and walked off. It might have been more diplomatic to tell him I'd actually seen his ticket in his hand as he was boarding...
 

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It's a skill we develop <D

I once had a chap start to have a right go at me for saying to him " Standard Class to the right" as he boarded. He was standing at the buffet, and shouting at me, so I told him to show me his ticket, and then interrupted his rant to say "I'm very good at my job, I knew you were not First Class" and walked off. It might have been more diplomatic to tell him I'd actually seen his ticket in his hand as he was boarding...

Ha ha, just don't get it wrong, wouldn't want you getting a slapped wrist.
 

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I was once shouted at by a BR employee for boarding a train via a first class vestibule - which was rether odd, as he had not seen my ticket, and had no way of knowing if I was travelling first or second class.

A few years ago as I boarded the first class section of a train at Taunton, I noticed the sour-faced train manager staring at me intently. Even before I could stow my bag and sit down she came bounding over and demanded to see my ticket. The look of disappointment on her face when I produced a valid first class ticket was palpable.
 

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You can't draw any conclusions about a passenger's wealth or class from where they sit on a train so this idea that it's all snobs in the front and plebs in the back is not only simplistic but plain wrong.I've known some very scruffy down to earth people who are rolling in it and some very well turned out snobby individuals who definitely are not.

Exactly! I'm certainly not wealthy but I almost exclusively travel first on XC services because a) Taking up a reserved seat on these packed trains is far less hassle in first, rather than barging through a load of people and their luggage in standard, b) The free WiFi, c) cheap enough with my railcard on advances and d) saves me buying breakfast on arrival (though the quality and availability varies dramatically).

I do feel rather out of place at times surrounded by the suits tapping away furiously on their laptops... :p

And speaking of appearances and the dangers of judging on such, I remember a man casually dressed going to board at the 1st class end on an XC service when the TM, guarding the door, said "Sir, sir, this is FIRST class"...to which the man shot him an icy cold stare and said "I know" and stormed past muttering "a**ehole". :lol:
 

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It's strange - when commuting to school in the morning on a 3-car 159 (it would have been the 0739, now the 0744, to Salisbury, now to Gillingham (Dorset)), a few friends and I always sat in the rear vestibule (almost always first class). We didn't realise at the time it required a first class ticket (I wasn't a rail enthusiast until much later), and we were never challenged by the guards - in fact, the closest thing we had was a single guard (a single guard in around two years worth of travelling every school day!) telling us with a grin on his face that it was first class and so we shouldn't be there (but presumably in jest since he didn't charge us extra or say anything else and immediately moved on down the train...).

Very few people sat in first class in general, and even fewer of them got out of the rear doors (perhaps they're scared off by the emergency exit sign), so it's not like we were blocking anyone (it's also further from the exit than the doors further forwards).

We only stopped doing it when the train became less busy and we could usually get a table seat - as I said, we were never challenged except that one time which we assumed was in jest. And as far as I can tell, unlike the habitual behaviour mentioned in this thread, it never harmed or delayed anyone.


I wouldn't do it now that I know.
 
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Wow, the snobbery and inflated sense of self entitlement is shocking in this thread!!!
I regularly sit in standard, and just as we are approaching London, I will walk through the train to the front doors. I have somewhere to be, have better things to do with my life than stand around all day waiting to get off the trai. I'm not doing anything wrong.
I'll have been by the front door for like.30 seconds. If you don't like it, frankly get a life and stop fretting over things that don't matter. And there shouldn't be first class anyway. It's ridiculous.
 

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I am lucky enough to have a first class PRIV pass, and once I was travelling back to University via Euston wearing my 'ChemSoc' hoodie, cargo trousers, older shoes and hauling a rather large backpack on my back.

I go to board the train through the Coach K door and a staff member on the platform challenges me:

"Mate, that's first class"
"Yes, I know"
"You need a first class ticket to go in there"
"Yes.... that would follow wouldn't it"
"Can I see your ticket please?"
"Certainly, here you go"
I hand over the ticket, he looks and then:
"Terribly sorry, sir".

They even gave me sandwiches on that run after that.
 
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