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Plans for Castlefield Corridor

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Manutd1999

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Could you feasibly drop Mauldeth Road from one stopper to fit the freight train through? Not perfect, but if it needs something like that to work then at least Mauldeth Road is close to the city centre anyway.

I like the majority of @Manutd1999 suggestions, so it would be good if there was a way to get 4 stoppers, 4 fasts and a freight along the Styal line.
It's a good point, I forgot the 15min standard pattern needs tweaking for the freight..... But as suggested, removing one or two stops would be sufficient. Indicatively:
Fast: Airport 00 Heald Grn Jn 01.5 Picc 15
Freight: ---------- Heald Grn Jn 04.5 Picc 22
Slow: Airport 06 Heald Grn Jn 07.5 Picc 26 (skips Mauldeth Rd and Burnage)
Fast: Airport 15 Heald Grn 16.5 Picc 30
Slow: Airport 19 Heald Grn Jn 20.5 Picc 41 (all stop)
Fast: Airport 30 Heald Grn Jn 31.5 Picc 45
etc.
Only problem is, there is 1thp to Holyhead with TFW
I re-routed this to terminate at Victoria.
 
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It's a good point, I forgot the 15min standard pattern needs tweaking for the freight..... But as suggested, removing one or two stops would be sufficient. Indicatively:
Fast: Airport 00 Heald Grn Jn 01.5 Picc 15
Freight: ---------- Heald Grn Jn 04.5 Picc 22
Slow: Airport 06 Heald Grn Jn 07.5 Picc 26 (skips Mauldeth Rd and Burnage)
Fast: Airport 15 Heald Grn 16.5 Picc 30
Slow: Airport 19 Heald Grn Jn 20.5 Picc 41 (all stop)
Fast: Airport 30 Heald Grn Jn 31.5 Picc 45
etc.

I re-routed this to terminate at Victoria.
Ah yes, didn't see that. Sorry
 

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I've thought a bit more about this lately and this is how I'd propose to arrange the services once the planned upgrades are complete, with the aim of achieving a standardised half-hourly pattern wherever possible.

Starting with the Styal line, a mix of 4x fast and 4x stoppers seems sensible. The fasts go at 15 min intervals and are slowed down so that it takes ~15 mins to Piccadilly. Each stopper is sent out 4 mins after a fast service a takes ~22 mins, arriving at Piccadilly 4 mins before the next fast train.

That gives a turn-up-and-go frequency for local stations whilst keeping plenty of paths for long-distance services. I'd divide them up as follows:
2ph Local Airport-Blackpool
2ph Local Airport-Chat Moss (1ph Liverpool, 1ph Wigan via Golborne)
2ph Fast Airport-Preston-Scotland/Barrow
2ph Fast Airport-Victoria-Leeds-onwards

Then add 2ph Sheffield-Liverpool, 2ph Oxford Rd - Warrington and 1x freight to give a total of 13ph along the corridor. All trains would call at all stations through Castlefield, including Deansgate. This would help to maintain an even flow, spread out the loads slightly and also improve Metrolink connections.

Away from Castlefield, I'd use the 2x new turnbacks at Salford to terminate the 4ph Calder Valley trains which continue beyond Rochdale. That would allow a re-cast to setup a similar 4ph fast, 4ph stopper pattern from Platforms 5/6 at Victoria towards Rochdale, which becomes the terminus of the local DMU network. Atherton line trains would start from Southport and be timed to connect onto the Blackpools at Salford Crescent, reducing the impact of Southport losing Castlefield. Headbolt Ln becomes a shuttle to/from Wigan.
2ph Local Southport-Atherton-Salford-Victoria-Rochdale
2ph Local Blackburn-Bolton-Salford-Victoria-Rochdale
4ph Fast Salford-Victoria-Rochdale-onwards (3ph Leeds, 1ph Blackburn)

Platforms 3/4 at Victoria are then used for services from Chat Moss - the TPEs, a re-routed TfW Llandudno and the Northern Chester service which currently continues to Leeds. The new siding at Brewery Lane would be used for the terminating trains to layover as needed. Finally, there would be 2ph from Wigan NW to Stalybridge via Victoria, which has long been planned but never implemented.
2ph Liverpool-Victoria-Leeds-onwards
2ph Airport-Victoria-Leeds-onwards
2ph Wigan NW-Bolton-Victoria-Stalybridge
2ph Chester/Holyhead-Victoria

Overall this results in a more consistent, organised pattern compared to today. Stations towards Rochdale, Bolton and along the Styal line would particularly benefit from increased frequency. Plenty of loud opposition could be expected from TfW and Southport, but personally I think it's a price worth paying for a better overall service.
You seem to have missed out Kirkby/Headbolt Lane.
 

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How about using the new infrastructure work to boost reliability rather than pack Castlefield to its limits again? 13tph + freight through Castlefield won't work in the real world. A couple of turnbacks and the third platform at Salford Crescent are the sort of project that are sufficiently cheap to be dedicated to boosting reliability.
 
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