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Penalty Fare for using the wrong Railcard

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mrg9999

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1. I never said I used trainline. 2. On these apps it doesn't always remember. 3. I never said I have the app and I'm a frequent traveller. 4. It seems like everyone is making a big fuss out of this for a literal 2 minute journey that barely even costed £2. It's OK. I'll get things sorted. Thank everyone for your help.
Janedoe: People are trying to help. You came here and asked.
I used to work in RP and often I erred believing the passenger and giving them a 2nd chance (unless I had documented evidence of frequent fare evasion, or using wrong railcard, short starting/stopping etc.) You might consider a £2 underpayment is trivial but if you multiplied that by everyone using the railway between those stations not paying £2 could cost the railway company over £2 million pounds a year.
My advice as others have suggested don't let it go to court as you have as much admitted your guilt by not having a valid travel document when challenged. (I am not a lawyer and would suggest taking specialist legal advice). In Future I would you an app that remembers the type of railcard and always read and check the details of the ticket and railcard before entering railway premises.

(My workings
Daily Passengers: 4,500 for this estimate
Source:https://dataportal.orr.gov.uk/statistics/usage/estimates-of-station-usage
Loss per Passenger: £2.
Total Daily Loss:
4,500 passengers×£2=£9,000 per day
Annual Loss (assuming 200 working days):
£9,000×200=£2,070,000 per year
)
 
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janedoe

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Janedoe: People are trying to help. You came here and asked.
I used to work in RP and often I erred believing the passenger and giving them a 2nd chance (unless I had documented evidence of frequent fare evasion, or using wrong railcard, short starting/stopping etc.) You might consider a £2 underpayment is trivial but if you multiplied that by everyone using the railway between those stations not paying £2 could cost the railway company over £2 million pounds a year.
My advice as others have suggested don't let it go to court as you have as much admitted your guilt by not having a valid travel document when challenged. (I am not a lawyer and would suggest taking specialist legal advice). In Future I would you an app that remembers the type of railcard and always read and check the details of the ticket and railcard before entering railway premises.

(My workings
Daily Passengers: 4,500 for this estimate
Source:https://dataportal.orr.gov.uk/statistics/usage/estimates-of-station-usage
Loss per Passenger: £2.
Total Daily Loss:
4,500 passengers×£2=£9,000 per day
Annual Loss (assuming 200 working days):
£9,000×200=£2,070,000 per year
)
Got it. I do find it extremely unhelpful that everyone keeps writing. Once I get whatever information I get in post I will engage a legal advisor and see what can be done. It was my mistake to ask something on a forum. Your calculations are right sir, I'm sure that my 2 minute train journey when I made one mistake will be making an extreme loss. It all descended in telling me off and talking about something none of us knows for certain. I appreciate the help and effort but please can you allstop replying. You're all saying the same thing. I will take things in my own hands and deal with it as I see fit.
 
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