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Passengers Missing Their Stops

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Blindtraveler

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have just returned from doing a mornings work in dunbar and the passenger in the seat next to mine woke up on the approach to Waverley and asked if this was York! I know0I always set alarms if im gunna sleap and particularly like guards who announce the arival time at our next stop on departure from the last one!
 
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Maybe, BUT I would accept responsibility and NOT LIE and say that the train doors didn't open or that there was no PA announcement etc and half the lies that people choose to tell.

Except that a fair amount of the time, it is NOT a lie.
 

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Hmmmm

How much notice do you want to get to the doors and at what point do you accept responsibility for getting yourself off the train?

Oh yeah, maybe we should come down and check on you in person, just to make sure that you, your luggage and your bike get off at the stop to which you have paid.

Are you not a responsible adult, if not leave this responsibility to your carer
 

WelshBluebird

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Hmmmm

How much notice do you want to get to the doors and at what point do you accept responsibility for getting yourself off the train?

Oh yeah, maybe we should come down and check on you in person, just to make sure that you, your luggage and your bike get off at the stop to which you have paid.

Are you not a responsible adult, if not leave this responsibility to your carer

So you think there are never circumstances where doors do not work then? Are you really that naive?
 

WelshBluebird

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When its genuine yes

Which is exactly what I am talking about.
Yes, most often than not it is just people being stupid.
However, you cannot label everyone like that (as you did), because sometimes it is something like the doors not working or whatever.
 

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Almost everyone today carries a mobile phone, which can function as an alarm clock. You'd know if you were tired enough to fall asleep, so would have time to set an alarm. So that's no excuse really either.

Some people are just selfish imo. They really do not care if they delay the train, and everyone else on the train.

I've been over carried a couple of times after I've fallen asleep, once travelling back from Pitlochry (I needed to change at York, and fell asleep just after Newcastle. I woke up to see we was on a double track section, and assumed we was still between Darlington and Northallerton, reality was, we was just North of Doncaster. :oops:) The second time was coming back from Sheffield after a few beers and I fell asleep somewhere around Thorne. I woke up to see the Steelworks going past the window. Both my fault certainly, but both times, I felt I was alert enough to keep awake.

Fortunately, I had a couple of sympathetic guards who didn't charge me for the excess journey (I just had to get a single from London to Doncaster on the first occasion), and on the second occasion, somewhere to stay in Grimsby for the night.
 

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Hmmmm

How much notice do you want to get to the doors and at what point do you accept responsibility for getting yourself off the train?
Well, let's look at the incident that I referred to on p.1 of this thread. I was wide awake, just me and a shoulder bag, and I know that it takes two minutes to get to my station (Forest Gate) from the previous one (Maryland). I'm in my forties, healthy with no impediments to slow me down, and the train has two pairs of doors in each carriage.
As soon as the doors closed at Maryland, I got up and moved towards the doors. I was at a window seat in a row of three. And it was still not enough time for me to battle my way through the mob to get to the doors.
 

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A few months ago I was on a London Midland train between Nuneaton and Stafford where one set of doors out of first class would not open from the first-class side as the train was coming in to the station. (They'd worked earlier.) Left by the other end of first class, and mentioned it to the Train Manager as I walked past him on the platform. He just looked at me as if I must be an idiot.
 

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If a passenger has missed their stop, simply do the same as this man! He used the emergency intercom to contact the driver. The driver obtained permission from control and reversed the train 200m into the station (it appears, without rear end supervision?). This delayed the train for the remaining 700 passengers and delayed all trains behind, but the man got off at his correct station! In this case, the doors apparently did not open.

http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=56807

* This is a long thread, and I need to go to work. This incident is not mentioned on the first or last pages. If it has been mentioned elsewhere in this thread, please accept my apologies. Thank you.
 

PR1Berske

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Some of the comments on here
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Yes, falling asleep is an unforgivable selfish act. Down with this sort of thing! <(
 

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If a passenger has missed their stop, simply do the same as this man! He used the emergency intercom to contact the driver. The driver obtained permission from control and reversed the train 200m into the station (it appears, without rear end supervision?). This delayed the train for the remaining 700 passengers and delayed all trains behind, but the man got off at his correct station! In this case, the doors apparently did not open.

Somehow I think such a request just might be refused on our metals! :o
 

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I witnessed an incident last week at St Pancras LL. Two overseas gents with suitcases (two each so perhaps too many) both got up in plenty of time to get off the Bedford bound FCC service I was on but only one was successful in getting off due to the large number of passengers crowding the doors and those getting on preventing him getting off. This situation was made far worse by the dispatcher giving the right away almost as soon as the doors opened (the train was about 5 mins late).

Despite loud shouts by both the two invloved and other passengers the doors closed leaving one man on the platform and the other on the train with the remaining case and a ride off to St Albans. (total chaos would no doubt have ensued if the case had been left unattended on the platform with its owner still on the train)

By the time the dispatcher realised what was happening and ran over to assist it was already too late to stop the train leaving.

This raises a serious question about DOO and train dispatch on busy platforms (the train was an 8-car 377): what means does the dispatcher have at their disposal to stop a train once it has already started to leave if they see something untoward such as a passenger trapped in the doors? (I'm not sure if FCC dispatchers at SPC have whistles, they only seem to have batons).
 

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On a standing room only service home from Bath to Warminster (158), I was once asked by a woman, about twenty seconds after having departed Westbury, where we had just left. Of course she had wanted to alight there but had been asleep. She then found the guard and asked him to "turn 'round the train"!
This was shortly followed by two men knocking on the driver's cab saying "I think the buffet is through here". :lol:
So why were they knocking and why was the door locked?
 

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....This raises a serious question about DOO and train dispatch on busy platforms (the train was an 8-car 377): what means does the dispatcher have at their disposal to stop a train once it has already started to leave if they see something untoward such as a passenger trapped in the doors? (I'm not sure if FCC dispatchers at SPC have whistles, they only seem to have batons).

Not a lot, although a driver might hear a whistle (depending on the window being open), which dispatch staff should have, they are unlikely to see any of the other stop indications.
 

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Yes, falling asleep is an unforgivable selfish act. Down with this sort of thing! <(

It's not the act itself of falling asleep, it's the absence, nay neglect, of responsibility on the person's part for their own affairs and their subsequent transference on such responsibility onto others in order to absolve themselves of any blame for the act.

For an alternative example : My previous employment was as a library assistant, and we used to get a lot of people bringing back their books late. Many would argue "Oh but you didn't let me know my book was overdue" - expecting us to phone/write them after a few days, rather than the standard 3 weeks. The date was, as always, stamped in the ticket at the front of the book, and the standard loan period is, and has always been the same. Yet somehow it wasn't their fault, it was ours? :roll:
 

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It is a matter of changing times.

In days of yore, when the railway was a service, there was an expectation that the railway would do what it could to help a distressed passenger. On an understanding that the railway would not incur material extra expense by helping, that the passenger would not be unfairly enriched but merely (in a case like this) returned to the originally paid-for destination without extra charge, and if the railway was unable to help then the passenger was left to his or her own devices to make other arrangements (such as walk home or wait overnight on the platform).

Modernly the railway is not run as a public service but as a profit opportunity. Even minor infringements are seized upon to inflict disproportionate fine print penalties and disproportionate "walk up" fares and travellers are charged not on a basis of cost to provide service but on a basis of the absolute maximum that the market will bear. (Which may, exceptionally, only exceptionally, be less than the price on a basis of cost to provide service).

The only real solution is renationalisation and a return to a concept of a railway as a public service. Including providing low paid jobs even where there is no profit is so-doing because it provides the public with a valuable service and the minimum wage employees with a better alternative than the dole.

However, renationalisation will not occur in the modern political climate, the idea that government should serve the nation (instead of the inverse) is a curiosity found only in the history books.
 

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One of my colleagues missed their stop last night. She mentioned it today with the words 'They don't announce my station - mind you I was listening to Michael Buble on my ipod so I wouldn't have heard it anyway'!

I think that says it all!
 

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One of my colleagues missed their stop last night. She mentioned it today with the words 'They don't announce my station - mind you I was listening to Michael Buble on my ipod so I wouldn't have heard it anyway'!

I think that says it all!

That's the trouble, I know this won't apply down in West Wales on ATW 158s / 175s etc, but there are so many pointless on-station / train announcements now that I don't blame people for not listening to all of them. Sadly the ones they ignore tend to be the important ones!
 

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Not a lot, although a driver might hear a whistle (depending on the window being open), which dispatch staff should have, they are unlikely to see any of the other stop indications.

Try and get one of the passengers inside to pull the alarm and get on the phone to the bobby quick as.
 

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It is a matter of changing times.

In days of yore, when the railway was a service, there was an expectation that the railway would do what it could to help a distressed passenger. On an understanding that the railway would not incur material extra expense by helping, that the passenger would not be unfairly enriched but merely (in a case like this) returned to the originally paid-for destination without extra charge, and if the railway was unable to help then the passenger was left to his or her own devices to make other arrangements (such as walk home or wait overnight on the platform).

Modernly the railway is not run as a public service but as a profit opportunity. Even minor infringements are seized upon to inflict disproportionate fine print penalties and disproportionate "walk up" fares and travellers are charged not on a basis of cost to provide service but on a basis of the absolute maximum that the market will bear. (Which may, exceptionally, only exceptionally, be less than the price on a basis of cost to provide service).

The only real solution is renationalisation and a return to a concept of a railway as a public service. Including providing low paid jobs even where there is no profit is so-doing because it provides the public with a valuable service and the minimum wage employees with a better alternative than the dole.

However, renationalisation will not occur in the modern political climate, the idea that government should serve the nation (instead of the inverse) is a curiosity found only in the history books.

You forgot to add that the forelock-tugging porters knew their place :roll:
 

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never missed my stop on the train but i have on a bus through falling asleep. i did once however see a bus parked up in a bus station at 8am, no bus driver but one passenger fast asleep on the bus.

does anyone have any experience of pax waking up on an ecs or in the depot?
 

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I've never come across anyone being over-carried, to my knowledge.

The only time it came close was on a 153 at Retford, where some passengers were waiting to leave the train and some waiting to board. Despite there being about 10 people none of them knew how to work the door buttons and until the guard shouted at them, they just stood there. I know people get confused travelling by train... but really?
 

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i find some people expect the doors to open without pressing the buttons, especially londoners used to the tube

i also see people pressing buttons before they light up, and wonder why they aren't opening

or pressing the close button instead of open

or not pressing the lock button in the toilet (been the person opening the door to see someone on the toilet more than once)
 

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On a standing room only service home from Bath to Warminster (158), I was once asked by a woman, about twenty seconds after having departed Westbury, where we had just left. Of course she had wanted to alight there but had been asleep. She then found the guard and asked him to "turn 'round the train"!
This was shortly followed by two men knocking on the driver's cab saying "I think the buffet is through here". :lol:
So why were they knocking and why was the door locked?



That reminds me of an eastern european couple on a leeds to manchester 155 who opened the drivers cab while looking for the toilet. They came flying out!
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I was on a packed to the rafters 150 the other day and when the guard made the starting announcement he made no apology for the overcrowding and had the cheek to say we should look at the safety posters. You could barely breath never mind get a look at the posters!
 
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